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[*] posted on 11-14-2020 at 09:54 PM
And kite that can do snow as well


I am looking for a good land kite to give me some workout in low-mid windows, 10-15mph. But I would also like to use it if I go to the mountains for some snow riding.

Any advice for a kite that would do 90% land kiting and 10% snow kiting?

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[*] posted on 11-15-2020 at 06:56 AM


On land are you thinking about a kite buggy, landboard or jumping? Also, what kind of surface - grass, sandy beach?



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[*] posted on 11-15-2020 at 08:52 AM


On land more jumping and static flying on grass.
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[*] posted on 11-15-2020 at 09:03 AM


That should narrow it down. Hopefully some of the guys who are into those areas will chime in.



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[*] posted on 11-15-2020 at 01:13 PM


flexifoil blade, perhaps?
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[*] posted on 11-15-2020 at 02:24 PM


Literally any depower kite of the right size for you.

I use a 15m lei in these conditions for landboarding and snowkite

I personally prefer lei for snowkite rather than foils, as I have had an easier time drying it after a wet and snowy session.

I also personally don't fly anything with handles so I can't recommend anything that's not depower, I was injured by a 5m ozone haka(fixed bridle) and gave up on fixed bridle kites for power kiting. I don't recommend kite jumping as it's just too easy to get seriously hurt.

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[*] posted on 11-15-2020 at 07:02 PM


Quote: Originally posted by erratic winds  
... I also personally don't fly anything with handles so I can't recommend anything that's not depower, I was injured by a 5m ozone haka(fixed bridle) and gave up on fixed bridle kites for power kiting. ...


Just say no to fixed bridle kites. There are plenty of depower options optimized for snow, land, and water.




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[*] posted on 11-15-2020 at 08:37 PM


I am actually preferring a de power kite as preparation for trying kitesurfing next summer.
I also am only looking for a bar, no handles
Any recommendations for a good but not overpowering depower kite for my conditions and also for snow?


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[*] posted on 11-16-2020 at 06:37 AM


How much do you weigh? Depowers, IMO, are not that fun to fly static - fixed bridles are way more dynamic in that environment. If I was 90% of the time static flying and jumping I would go fixed bridle - on handles.



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[*] posted on 11-16-2020 at 12:19 PM


buy a 3m fb...you will learn a hell of a lot w/ one...
and then get your dp as well

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[*] posted on 11-16-2020 at 01:24 PM


This is a helpful thread.

http://www.powerkiteforum.com/viewthread.php?tid=28759&p...





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[*] posted on 11-16-2020 at 06:30 PM


Randy - that's a broken link



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[*] posted on 11-16-2020 at 06:46 PM


Quote: Originally posted by erratic winds  
Randy - that's a broken link


http://www.powerkiteforum.com/viewthread.php?tid=28759

Here's a working version of the link




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[*] posted on 11-16-2020 at 09:07 PM


I have a Tensor 3m which is fixed bridle that I have been flying for a while so comfortable with that. What depower kite would you recommend, definitely would like a LEI
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[*] posted on 11-17-2020 at 03:59 PM


Great you have the Prism.
If you are going to eventually move to water buy a relatively cheap depower foil kite. About 10m. Knowing you will have to go LEI for water.

Hopefully you get all your crashing done with the foil so can buy a decent LEI or 2.

Look for a good deal on a 10m and check here before buying.




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[*] posted on 11-17-2020 at 04:58 PM


Wouldn't a 10 m foil (even de-powered) be way too strong? I tried a 10m LEI last summer at a beach and it pulled me like there was no tomorrow even in 12mph.
My understanding is that foils pulls a lot more or is that only valid for fixed bridle foils?
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[*] posted on 11-17-2020 at 05:41 PM


Foils pulling a lot more is really only applicable to the fixed bridle kites.

What size kite you need depends on your size and skill level.

In 10-15mph I fly a 15m lei for atb and snowkite but as a beginner I wouldn't recommend something that size.




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[*] posted on 11-17-2020 at 09:09 PM


So what size would you recommend if I am comfortable comfortable with a 3m fixed bridle?
I am new to de-power and want to really get up to speed on flying de-power.
Live inland and have winds of 10-15mph and weigh 185 lbs.

Also looking for recommendation of de-power foil kites as well.
Would any snow kite work or are some easier to fly and more all round for non snow flying as well?

Can I use a harness made for water/LEI flying?

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[*] posted on 11-17-2020 at 10:50 PM


9-10m

Inland winds are often very Gusty and erratic (hence my name), be careful.

HQ makes good foil kites that are more affordable, ozone and flysurfer make great kites of all kinds if you want to pay more. Ozone will even make custom colors and graphics for additional cost.

They don't really necessarily make snowkite specific foils, they are more all around weather, you'll have to research what's available in your price range, but do try to stay away from things described as advanced/explosive/c-kite in their marketing, those aren't terms that are beginner friendly.

Yes you can use any harness you like, if you want a good waist harness I can't recommend the ride engine brand enough, though for snow I use the ozone seat harness as waist harnesses often don't play nice with winter layers




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[*] posted on 11-18-2020 at 07:25 AM


Inland winds are tricky. If flying inland, I often size for the gusts and manage the lulls. I know you want to jump but big, high A/R, efficient jumping wings aren't great in inland winds. Lower aspect ratio kites like the HQ Apex or Ozone Pure would be safer to learn on but may be less fun once you advance. i haven't flown any of the single skins and can't comment on their inland abilities but they do seem like they could take more punishment newer fliers dish out since they have no cells to pop.



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[*] posted on 11-18-2020 at 03:32 PM


Quote: Originally posted by nph  
So what size would you recommend if I am comfortable comfortable with a 3m fixed bridle?
I am new to de-power and want to really get up to speed on flying de-power.
Live inland and have winds of 10-15mph and weigh 185 lbs.

Also looking for recommendation of de-power foil kites as well.
Would any snow kite work or are some easier to fly and more all round for non snow flying as well?

Can I use a harness made for water/LEI flying?

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The harness doesn't care where you are. The only likely issue is how it would fit with winter clothing.

Maybe this will help...

https://www.hardwaterkiter.com/recommended-equipment.html





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[*] posted on 11-22-2020 at 07:04 PM


For just trying to see how it works would using the Tensor 3.1 make any sense to try out or do I need a harness for snow kiting?
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[*] posted on 11-22-2020 at 07:13 PM


You don't need a harness for any kiting activities but they are defiantly helpful as you progress and extend your sessions or go the depower route. You can definitely use that kite to figure out if you like it. I have my personal best speed skiing record on a 2.5 (52mph).



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