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[*] posted on 11-21-2018 at 10:42 AM


Thanks for the suggestions. I called their customer service number (stated to be good for US and Canada) but kept getting a message saying it wasn't available in my area. (Do you suppose they didn't think there would be many snow kiters in Georgia?;)) but I will take another look at their web page.

The kite was set up with only two knot for the A line and the one in use was the closest to the bar. It would seem to me moving the a line to the upper knot makes sense to try.

The most useful thing would be to get info on how to keep the bridle lines from tangling when folding the kite up into the bag. I've decided to remove the lines from the bar completely and partially wrap the power lines on a little winder. The steering lines tend to get tangled in the power lines and the bar seems to get wrapped around everything. This should make it easier.

I did try one handed a bit - seemed pretty easy. Using the harness does make it a lot easier to fly. Biggest problem I have is that the normal way one uses a bar - pull in the direction the kite is supposed to go is just wrong - it is more like "steer the steering wheel" (which we are taught is the wrong was to use a kite bar) but I was getting used to it. I'm going to practice a bit more with the longer lines and then give it a go on the buggy.




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[*] posted on 11-21-2018 at 11:13 AM


Sounds like you made no knot adjustment between flying zipped and unzipped...and sounds like your models a bit different w/ just 2 knots. Try it on each position to see which works best.



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I've decided to remove the lines from the bar completely and partially wrap the power lines on a little winder
Uh.ohhh...:o

I would never do that...undo any lines. Why?

Because I hope you remember which end of bar had bridal 'bunch'("Here's the story of a kite named Brady:smilegrin:..Oops wrong bunch!)... and which had directional lines..because it matters.

Should be like mine so , the directional lines (they connect to tips)- go on bar end farthest from hanging ring. Bridal buch on other end nearest ring. If you don't undo it you'll never have to remember.

***remember... Never move cord w/ metal clip in ring on it. it's on the balance point of bar.


Your getting there...:)
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[*] posted on 11-21-2018 at 12:30 PM


Speaking of experiments - I wonder if there is any reason this wouldn't work with a conventional 3 line bar? (Probably save that one for later.)



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[*] posted on 11-21-2018 at 12:31 PM


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[*] posted on 11-21-2018 at 12:35 PM


I was removing at least 2 of them every time to untangle anyway. They just connect to the bar with larks head and are color coded. (Of course none of this means I can't get it wrong.);) Agree on the harness line/ring.



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[*] posted on 11-21-2018 at 06:46 PM


I have looked more closely at the kite I have and the diagrams in the manual. The differences I have noticed are mainly in the bridle attachment. In the 2009 manual there are 4 extension lines of 7, 15, or 30 feet discussed and a diagram showing how to install. Mine came with only 3 lines. The bridle connection point has two lines with two knots each for the A lines (one on each side) and then there is a loop for the rest of the bridles. It does not appear that it was intended to split up the B and C lines between right and left (as shown for storm mode in the manual). So what I think is that in my kite they intended for the longer lines are to be attached to the bar and connected to the steering lines and the power line on the kite (they even have the same color coding - 2 orange,1 blue.) I suspect they changed the line setup at some point from the model I have. (Perhaps when they also eliminated the zipper.)

I found another phone number for them and I'll see what they can tell me.




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[*] posted on 11-22-2018 at 08:39 AM


Odd you have only 3 of 4 needed extensions. Do you have more than one set/length of these, and also missing 4th line also?



Apparently original fly lines were as little length as 18 feet, BTW...according to 2009

You could make missing extension line I suppose.

For now I would forget flying with extensions until you get some many hours regular flying, and controls and adjustments in your back pocket.


And forget Storm mode for now too. it's most complicated. although later it would be good for real high winds.

Half-storm or Semi-Storm is okay to try now. You'll need cord.

Did you find out if you have that hanging extra Directional cord?




Again, it would help if you had exact directions for your year/model kite. A call for diagram copies by e-mail or regular mail?
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[*] posted on 11-22-2018 at 09:59 AM


I'm going to stick with the current lines and setup and with full or zipper mode for now. Full storm mode does look more complicated than one would want to try in the field. (And I have plenty of kites for higher winds anyway.) But half storm seems pretty simple. Looking at the 2009 manual it seems the measurement are in feet. So I can easily make the required cord. I have plenty of lines so making a 4th line would not be a problem if it is needed. I do have the directional cords.

I plan to call them tomorrow after the holiday.





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[*] posted on 11-22-2018 at 01:28 PM



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I do have the directional cords (Semi-storm and Storm mode directional line attachment cord)
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..Not really named cord in diagram, just that you attach directional line there for Storm or Semi/Half Storm mode...on my guidebook anyway.

If you have that on yours I think it's for the same storm and half-storm mode for your model.

** When you set up kite in Half/Semi-Storm( and also Storm) mode, the zipper should be open...or again... is on mine. Definitely try this mode.


I am assuming with zipper you have 4 modes.

You'll have to learn wind range of each mode by trial... but using at least 3 modes, you should have an overall good range.

The 2009 guide says 9-31mph total wind range(15-50kph), but that includes storm mode. You might comfortably max out at anywhere between 21-25mph in half storm..?

The (Full) Storm Mode is just a pain. I failed trying to do it once. Little too involved and confusing. Better labeled and explained in guidebook might have helped. Thought I had it right but wouldn't fly.


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[*] posted on 11-23-2018 at 02:24 PM


Called Paraski Flex today and they said they think there is some form of instruction for my kite - but the gentleman wasn't sure which one. So when their vintage Paraski Flexpert gets in on Monday they will find out and email it to me if possible, or call back and let me know what they have.




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[*] posted on 11-25-2018 at 07:45 PM


Cleaning up around the house today and look what I found. I got this from Ross who ran Newwindsports.com in NH back in the day when he imported for MAC Para, ParaskiFlex and DirtSurfer. DVD is mostly skiing but also has some water riding. Pretty good considering it was produced over a decade ago. Maybe its on Youtube?

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[*] posted on 11-25-2018 at 08:46 PM


I've heard about the DVD, but haven't been able to locate one. I have found a lot of video on youtube, mostly snow, but I have found water, buggy and ATB riding. Haven't really found much that is instructional though. I really doesn't look like the basic kite has changed much but some of the features (such as the zipper, spars, and bridle changes for storm mode) have changed some. Hopefully whatever documentation I get will answer my remaining questions.





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First buggy rides today. I have a ways to go, but starting to get it. I have trouble with turns, but this kite is quite a bit different from anything else I've used. Closest thing to it would be flying the NPW and my single skin foil (g-kites) on a one handed bar and short lines. Tried it with the "half storm mode" which flew but was clearly not enough. Then went to zipper mode and finally unzipped. I was surprised how much of a difference the zipper makes. (Or did the wind just pick up?) Not a great day for wind. When flying the P-flex the reported winds were 9 mph (but obviously not so steady where I was.) Flew my 3.75 M NPW 21 after the Parasksi - and while it was fine in the gusts, rest of the time it preferred sitting on the ground.




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[*] posted on 12-5-2018 at 09:14 AM


Good on you Randy!... I've been pining to get out to the Fairgrounds but been too busy... Its been nice and blustery 'round these N. Atlanta parts hasn't it!



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[*] posted on 12-5-2018 at 10:30 AM


Quote: Originally posted by Randy  


First buggy rides today. I have a ways to go, but starting to get it. I have trouble with turns, but this kite is quite a bit different from anything else I've used. Closest thing to it would be flying the NPW and my single skin foil (g-kites) on a one handed bar and short lines. Tried it with the "half storm mode" which flew but was clearly not enough. Then went to zipper mode and finally unzipped. I was surprised how much of a difference the zipper makes. (Or did the wind just pick up?) Not a great day for wind. When flying the P-flex the reported winds were 9 mph (but obviously not so steady where I was.) Flew my 3.75 M NPW 21 after the Parasksi - and while it was fine in the gusts, rest of the time it preferred sitting on the ground.


Nicely played sir, nicely played. At the 1:15 mark it is possible to clearly see how this kite is strung and it's pretty wild. The whole nose coming off the left side of the bar and the two trailing edge lines coming off the right side. Must be funky to fly compared to other more traditional bridling.

One other (off the mark) question. It is possible to see carabiners on your foot peg bar ends. What are they for? I had three possible ideas: 1) walk of shame strap attachment points; 2) points of attachment for a rack or storage device of some sort; or, 3) attachment point for a tandem buggy setup. Maybe something entirely other than any of those. Enquiring minds want to know!




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[*] posted on 12-5-2018 at 02:16 PM


Thanks guys!

Spencer - if you look close you can see some changes at the fairgrounds. The "road" has been repaved so it is smoother, wider and a bit faster. We lost a little space as they put in a new booth, and some parking spaces closing off our old parking spaces on the bridge over WIndy Hill Rd. On the other side of Windy Hill Rd. they built a new building but it is about the same height and behind the building already there so I don't think it hurts the wind much.

Steve - The 1:15 mark is also when I started riding with the zipper unzipped. You can see the zipper in the sail.

Those carabiners are for towing the buggy out of the car to the launching pad (or for the highly unlikely event of a walk of shame. :D ) Those were on the buggy when I bought it so they must be a good idea.One problem with this field is that it slopes downward from North to South so going upwind with the prevailing NW wind is fairly hard and slow, while riding downwind is fast and easy. The P-flex seems to handle that better than any kite I've used so far.






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[*] posted on 12-6-2018 at 04:20 PM


Weeeee!

Did you adjust bridal setting to right knot when you unzipped?

You should have setting memorized at some point if not already.


Wait for stronger winds to try half storm mode again...but good efforts.:thumbup:
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[*] posted on 12-6-2018 at 05:27 PM


Yes - I did remember to make the bridle adjustments. The half storm mode was interesting. It did fly pretty much the same, but needed more wind to keep going. The adjustments are pretty simple - only two possible knot positions for the A-lines. hoping a suitable day will appear by middle of next week. Until then - rain.




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[*] posted on 12-7-2018 at 10:16 PM


Drove by the fairgrounds today, Randy... you're right!... its a different now! But it doesn't look like they took any of the field.



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[*] posted on 12-8-2018 at 04:47 AM


very nice randy
it will be perfect on the sup or kayak

https://www.flickr.com/photos/29746473@N04/32355952808/in/da...

i can still kitewing the tent but i dont know how to attach lines without dammaging the cloth
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[*] posted on 12-8-2018 at 04:26 PM


Some have used the kite on liquid water. I think it needs to be shallow water.















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[*] posted on 12-8-2018 at 06:19 PM


Local kite buddy used them for years on the water with strapless surfboards 7 to 10 feet. In deep water and waves having fun like everyone else. These kites worked well for him.

Heres a tutorial for making small, light weight high pressure bladders that might improve this type of kites (Paraski Flex, C-quads or other single skins, maybe even open face ram airs too?? ) sea worthiness.




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[*] posted on 12-8-2018 at 06:30 PM


Thanks. What would be really interesting would be a bladder like that instead of the spar.......



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[*] posted on 12-18-2018 at 08:58 AM


Another day for riding the Flex. I'm getting better with completing turns but still miss more than I make. I do fly it one handed a lot with the harness providing the grunt. Once I bailed on the kite but forgot to let go with the hand holding the bar. Thought about reattaching but decided that would be stupid.

I'm learning the problem is you can get it to fly and even pull you without much wind, but directional control requires a certain amount of wind. Below that, once you jibe and apparent wind drops steering control is just not there. So - got to keep it rolling to make a turn.








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[*] posted on 12-20-2018 at 06:41 AM


add a boom and kitewing it !
i hav tried with mt tent
stiff enough to add a boom , i can also kite it if i add lines
less than 1 kg

https://www.decathlon.fr/arpenaz-2-pers-verte-id_8293539.htm

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lcyZnZZdHKY
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[*] posted on 12-20-2018 at 10:09 AM


Good one alf .:) For some reason, I can't find those tents in the US. I was looking for them for my round kayak sail.





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[*] posted on 12-21-2018 at 12:56 PM


i use the double roof and one mast

https://www.decathlon.fr/arpenaz-2-pers-verte-id_8293539.htm...

maybe i make a biplan if i buy another one
should not weights 2 kilo
mast is 385 cm long
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[*] posted on 1-6-2019 at 04:27 PM


I've gotten so interested in the flex concept that I started building a some kites inspired by the Paraskit Flex concept. This kite is only about 1.7 meters, and uses a flexible spar in the leading edge, but is much simpler than the Paraski Flex. First, the shape is simple semi-circle rather than (what appears to be) an elliptical shape in the original. I also used Ian's trick of using a tension line instead of darts to put some shape into the leading edge. Finally, the bridles are completely different. Instead of several cascade bridles (about 24 in total) I used 8 single bridles each at equal angles from the center. The plan is shown in the fist slide in the video, and the bridles all converge to the point on the line below the kite. (Which magically seems to be about right.)

It's very stable, has a nice wind window and flies well either on a 4 line bar or on a simple bar following the original steering method.

Now I think I will build a bigger version of this prototype.



https://vimeo.com/309780824





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[*] posted on 1-6-2019 at 05:35 PM


Quote: Originally posted by Randy  
I've gotten so interested in the flex concept that I started building a some kites inspired by the Paraskit Flex concept.
https://vimeo.com/309780824



Impressive :thumbup: :thumbup:




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[*] posted on 1-7-2019 at 02:39 PM


what spar do you use ?
i would like to make a big one with tarp , it would spare me buying a peak ...
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