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[*] posted on 7-13-2017 at 04:36 PM


I expect this to have a bit different response to standard front line, back line control of a FB. The AOA should adjust to some degree with the middle lines in the middle of the bar staying somewhat static.

I had similar feelings about holding down power. I am pretty sure you can hook it to Paraskiflex bars? In my little mind a CL in line with the center lines would work?

Looking forward to Steve's 1st hand review.




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[*] posted on 7-20-2017 at 10:02 AM



The guys of BORN-KITE probably have a new hobby .....video production . ;)











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[*] posted on 7-20-2017 at 04:47 PM


I wish theyd put some pricing on their website... kinda like to know if i can swing getting a brand new kite for the first time, lol.



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[*] posted on 7-23-2017 at 04:14 PM


I do appreciate how much thought he has given to his line of kites. He is very dedicated to innovation in a niche market.



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[*] posted on 7-30-2017 at 09:37 AM


Thanks to steve I got to test this out. My initial thoughts on the link. its easier to post pictures over there.

http://www.extremekites.com.au/topic/16799-born-kite-streets...
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[*] posted on 7-30-2017 at 02:42 PM


Quote: Originally posted by ssayre  
Thanks to steve I got to test this out. My initial thoughts on the link. its easier to post pictures over there.

http://www.extremekites.com.au/topic/16799-born-kite-streets...


Happy to help a brother out. Steffen most kindly sent me one when I completed my LS2 quiver purchase. I'm not 1/8 (read 1/16) the street kiter Sean is so I lent it to him so he could give it a proper test drive. Good write up by him on the Down Under site.




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[*] posted on 7-30-2017 at 10:12 PM


Great read.

I still wonder about the changing AOA?
How does the depower work?




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[*] posted on 7-30-2017 at 10:36 PM


Quote: Originally posted by Bladerunner  
Great read.

I still wonder about the changing AOA?
How does the depower work?


ill take a closer look and better pictures next time I'm out but the front line bridles attach at the top of the handle, then there are a middle set that attach at the middle of the handle and back line or steering line bridles attach at the bottom. I don't recall any pulleys but I don't remember. It definitely changes the angle of attack when you tilt the handle to and from. Rotating the handle is how it steers. Flying one handed your thumb is pointed up on the handle to use as leverage for more power or was off for less. It works but is pretty difficult while holding all the power in one hand. Depower would probably work better hooked in which you can do but I have not done. I would really like to add a 2m line set to see how it would do. I have always had an easier time street kiting with some lines versus straight off the bridle.
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[*] posted on 7-31-2017 at 04:33 AM


The funny thing is when I would be going into a turn with the handle in my dominant hand, it would be a smooth transition, then I would switch to my left hand to go the opposite direction. I kept failing on the transition initiated with my weak hand and I was cussing the kite. However, the kite was performing as it was designed because I had no problem with the dominant hand transition. So it was ME, not the kite. It took me an hour to program some finesse into my left hand. It was like a stranger was flying the kite :P
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[*] posted on 7-31-2017 at 04:39 AM


Quote: Originally posted by Bladerunner  
Great read.

I still wonder about the changing AOA?
How does the depower work?


Did you have the chance to watch the video series? Some of them show the DP action. That being said, I too have similar questions.




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[*] posted on 7-31-2017 at 09:09 AM


The concept is the same as in Paraskiflex. Looking at the design prior to testing it years ago I was expecting some AOA control by tilting the bar but I quickly discovered why they never mentioned this feature - it just simply would not work with the given bar length, very low AR and bar being too close to the body when hooked in. The "steering wheel" steering was very sluggish and extremely dependent on lines tension and length so at the edge of the window where you want to turn the response was terrible as it was in the lulls. Now, this Street Star version looks better with higher AR and wisely specified very short (or no) lines.
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[*] posted on 8-1-2017 at 06:58 AM


Quote: Originally posted by Prussik  
The "steering wheel" steering was very sluggish and extremely dependent on lines tension and length so at the edge of the window where you want to turn the response was terrible as it was in the lulls. Now, this Street Star version looks better with higher AR and wisely specified very short (or no) lines.


It could be just a learning curve, but steering does feel sluggish as opposed to nasa. Do you think the addition of 2 or 5 meter lines would have a negative effect? I don't have near enough time on this kite to form a well rounded opinion but initially, I'm struggling to find an advantage to this kite versus a nasa in terms of unhooked one handed flying other than easy landing / reverse launch
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[*] posted on 8-1-2017 at 09:05 AM


Any additional distance between the canopy and the bar can only make steering response more sluggish. The longer the lines (and the less tension on them) the less of the torque of the bar is transmitted to the kite - and this is the major problem with this design. The potential advantage would be a simple AOA control by tilting the bar. As for other things - not so much. You can just as easily fly any FB one handed (with much better control) and land and reverse launch easily on 4 lines and even have some "nasa depower" on 5.
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[*] posted on 8-1-2017 at 01:45 PM


Quote: Originally posted by Prussik  
Any additional distance between the canopy and the bar can only make steering response more sluggish. The longer the lines (and the less tension on them) the less of the torque of the bar is transmitted to the kite - and this is the major problem with this design. The potential advantage would be a simple AOA control by tilting the bar. As for other things - not so much. You can just as easily fly any FB one handed (with much better control) and land and reverse launch easily on 4 lines and even have some "nasa depower" on 5.


Look here from minute 1:10 to 1:30 .
That does not looks like a problem!
This looks really fast.
Perhaps there is a special control technique?

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[*] posted on 8-1-2017 at 02:31 PM


Quote: Originally posted by dirt face  
Quote: Originally posted by Prussik  
Any additional distance between the canopy and the bar can only make steering response more sluggish. The longer the lines (and the less tension on them) the less of the torque of the bar is transmitted to the kite - and this is the major problem with this design. The potential advantage would be a simple AOA control by tilting the bar. As for other things - not so much. You can just as easily fly any FB one handed (with much better control) and land and reverse launch easily on 4 lines and even have some "nasa depower" on 5.


Look here from minute 1:10 to 1:30 .
That does not looks like a problem!
This looks really fast.
Perhaps there is a special control technique?



It works as advertised imo. There is definitely a technique to it but it does work well. Flying any kite straight off bridles has always been a challenge in my wind. a few meters of line allow me to work a kite just enough to work through a lull. You must have decently clean wind at ground level to fly any kite without lines. I hope to get the opportunity to try it out with some short lines added and see how that goes.
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[*] posted on 8-5-2017 at 07:19 AM


About my BORN KITE Youtube subscription came just now this video.
Here the change of hands is beautiful to see.

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[*] posted on 8-14-2017 at 02:08 PM


The StreetStar is now available on the Born-Kite website!

StreetStar




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[*] posted on 8-14-2017 at 02:44 PM


It comes r2f and costs less than I thought it would, although the euro is now up from where it was in past year.



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[*] posted on 8-25-2017 at 04:16 AM


StreetStar has been reviewed. Can anyone translate?


German StreetStar Review





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Peter Lynn Bigfoot+ modified with VTT rail & seat kit (a seriously great performance upgrade), two sets of Sysmic rims (one set with BigFoot slicks for the "beach" of the Great Salt Lake and the other with 6-ply trailer tires for the Ivanpah playa), and BigKidKites AQR (because it keeps me in the bug and in my marriage)

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[*] posted on 8-26-2017 at 12:49 PM


The 4 m kite starts flying in 2 Beaufort really comes alive at 4 to 5 you for three starts to get a little more fun it's a lot of work in the buggy but perfect when you're riding on a longboard the unhooked the power sensation on the joystick gives you the freedom to look at the road and forget about the kite you can fly it on a bike, too... and there's a photo where it looks like he's slacklining with it!

The depower works without any crumple and gives a wide wind range.
Best with a longboard.

Basically it does everything Born says it does really well. That's the gist of it.




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[*] posted on 8-27-2017 at 06:51 AM


Quote: Originally posted by Suds after thuds  
The 4 m kite starts flying in 2 Beaufort really comes alive at 4 to 5 you for three starts to get a little more fun it's a lot of work in the buggy but perfect when you're riding on a longboard the unhooked the power sensation on the joystick gives you the freedom to look at the road and forget about the kite you can fly it on a bike, too... and there's a photo where it looks like he's slacklining with it!

The depower works without any crumple and gives a wide wind range.
Best with a longboard.

Basically it does everything Born says it does really well. That's the gist of it.


Thanks Suds! Greatly appreciated. A German/English speaker Down Under also took a swing at it:

http://www.extremekites.com.au/topic/16799-born-kite-streets...




Kites:
Born-Kite LongStar-2 (3.5m, 5.5m, 7.5m, 9.5m, 12.5m);
Born-Kite NASA Star-3 (1.5m, 2.5m, 3.2m, 4.0m; z-bridled for handle flying)

Buggy:
Peter Lynn Bigfoot+ modified with VTT rail & seat kit (a seriously great performance upgrade), two sets of Sysmic rims (one set with BigFoot slicks for the "beach" of the Great Salt Lake and the other with 6-ply trailer tires for the Ivanpah playa), and BigKidKites AQR (because it keeps me in the bug and in my marriage)

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