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Mood: rain rain go away...leave some wind so I can play.

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:thumbup: We need to see those all stacked up in the sky Riff....


That's the plan :D




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[*] posted on 1-5-2020 at 08:00 PM


Yesterday, but zero posts today so.....





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[*] posted on 1-6-2020 at 03:41 AM


Hey I recognize that wind. We have a similar blessing in Raleigh. Like the spokes. :thumbup:





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[*] posted on 1-6-2020 at 08:49 AM


Hey Randy, what wheels are those on the board? Are you using skate board trucks?

I have a land sail board also. This is what I use for wheels. But I am always looking for maybe better ones. The 4" wheels are for pavement. The 8" wheels are for hard packed sand. The 10" wheels are for grass and looser sand.

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[*] posted on 1-6-2020 at 09:25 AM


I also have a bunch of different wheel sizes from skateboard to 10 inch for different rides on different surfaces.

They are like this:


https://southbaytrikke.com/product/trikke-7-inch-polyurethan...

https://southbaytrikke.com/shop/trikke-parts/wheel/wheels/


I scrounged them from a couple of scooters/sliders. My idea was that they would have less rolling resistance than a skateboard wheel because of the diameter and also be easier to roll over twigs etc. They seem to work pretty well, though I'm not sure if they are a lot better than regular skateboard wheels. They do seem to ride smoother over rough asphalt.

You can also get ones that are about the same from companies that sell wheels for medical rehab scooters used for people recovering from foot or leg injuries.





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[*] posted on 1-6-2020 at 10:24 AM


Thanks, I will check them out.



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[*] posted on 1-6-2020 at 10:31 AM


You might look around Goodwill, Craig's List, etc for used "Sliders" or Trikke scooters or similar. You might find one for less than the price of a single wheel. Unfortunately, they come with 3 wheels so you may still need to buy another. :)



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[*] posted on 1-6-2020 at 11:40 AM


Jack - do a search here and on extremekites for "granny wheels" - there are a few threads about those. They still don't work in powder sand, but you can definitely get going through softer wet sand that would hang up the 8" wheels.

Here's what inspired me to get them:
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[*] posted on 1-7-2020 at 06:49 AM


Randy - I looked around my local CL and Goodwill nothing available at the moment but I will keep an eye out. I am not in a hurry.

Jeff - I watched the video really cool... Where did you get your set of "granny wheels"?

I was hoping for a some good wind this weekend, but it looks like is going to be raining here. I would be ok with some snow too, I have a new toy to try out. With a kite or downhill.

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But no, just lots of rain....




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[*] posted on 1-7-2020 at 06:52 AM


Quote: Originally posted by Jack.Oh  
Randy - I looked around my local CL and Goodwill nothing available at the moment but I will keep an eye out. I am not in a hurry.

Jeff - I watched the video really cool... Where did you get your set of "granny wheels"?

I was hoping for a some good wind this weekend, but it looks like is going to be raining here. I would be ok with some snow too, I have a new toy to try out. With a kite or downhill.

But no, just lots of rain....


Cool. Where did you get the blue skids? (I guess that is what you call them).





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[*] posted on 1-7-2020 at 07:24 AM


I found them on Amazon

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B07KCS418H/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b...

These will fit a 8mm axle... I had to drill out to 9.5mm to fit the MBS trucks..
After mounting the ski would spin/rotate around, so I added some bungee cord to keep the skis for rotating. Oh, and the spacers are different.




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[*] posted on 1-7-2020 at 07:40 AM


Thanks. Now if I just had some snow......



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[*] posted on 1-7-2020 at 11:40 AM


I got them on ebay:
10"x3" (3.00-4, 260X85) Pneumatic Mobility Tire with Spirit Ribbed Tread (Primo)
But I'm sure you can get them cheaper if you look around. I was face planting a lot at the time so I didn't look around too much and wanted them quick. I think any 10" wheelbarrow tire would work just as well, and less expensive.
My only problem with them was the height it raised the board caused speed wobbles. I just tightened the trucks. Your board looks like it drops, so you shouldn't have that issue.
Not too long after the wheel upgrade I acquired a Flexboardz Haize, and have not touched the granny wheel board since - though as a winter project I'm going to fit the grannies on the Haize and see how that goes.
Your ski board looks fun, though not sure what the advantage of it over a snowboard would be. Pop those skis on a bug! Someone makes boards like that with metal skates for ice - I assume that's where the bungee idea came from? If not, look those up for inspiration. There's a video explaining the bungee I think. I forget what they're called (hey, that's helpful Jeff!).




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[*] posted on 1-8-2020 at 06:24 AM


Sorry don't mean to hi jack this thread.

Jeff I will hunt around for those grannie wheels... secondly, I have never been on a snow board so can't really compare. Only advantage that comes to mind is no special boots and if you have a mountain board the skis cost $30. Oh and the cool dad factor as you pass 10 year olds sledding down hill. :lol:




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[*] posted on 1-8-2020 at 07:02 AM


Ok, I'm a day late. Yesterday rode kite buggy at the fairground. One of the most "wicked" days for wind I can remember. Lots of sudden nasty gusts, sudden holes, direction changes, etc.

Started out NPW 21 underpowered. Went to NS 2 7.0 - overpowered. Next NS 2 5.5, at first was ok but then overpowered. Ended up with my kite in sort of thorny bush. Pulled it out but it was too tangled to use (and I was afraid it was ripped up). So I went to 3.75 NPW 21 - underpowered. Went back to NPW 21 5.0, mostly underpowered.

As it turns out the 5.5 looks ok. I wish the same was true for my thorn poked fingers.



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[*] posted on 1-8-2020 at 03:25 PM


Finished my 8.2 M NPW 21 today. I did take it to the park and fly it a bit in the pathetic amount of wind we had. Saw no problems.



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[*] posted on 1-8-2020 at 04:55 PM


randy, you now have a VENTED npw! oddly, i was going to ask about those. today, actually.
using the rev idea, why aren't there vented peaks or npw's? why not just have the same size sail, bridles, and bars, and just change the effectiveness of the sail?
of course, i'm not saying ONLY one size kite, like a 12m nasa made with spaghetti straps to make it equal a 2.5 nasa. but 3 or 4 sizes could likely equal a dozen sizes.
i gotta believe that with the types of materials available today, there something that could be used as the mesh component that could easily handle any loads thrown at it.
just wondering. fire away...
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[*] posted on 1-8-2020 at 05:42 PM


Not sure I fully understand venting, but seems like you would be changing kites to adjust to the wind, and it wouldn't matter if they were vented or not. It would still take the same amount of time to change to a smaller kite or to a larger vented kite. I don't really why a vented NPW wouldn't work though. Riffclown has built lots of mesh Rev type kites and they seem to fly great.




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[*] posted on 1-9-2020 at 01:19 PM


Got a more proper flight in with the 8.2 M NPW 21 this morning. It is big, but seems a lot smaller outside than it did in my house. Spent most of the morning learning to ride by skateboard with the wing. I'll how the video turned out.



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[*] posted on 1-10-2020 at 04:11 PM


Quote: Originally posted by Randy  
Not sure I fully understand venting, but seems like you would be changing kites to adjust to the wind, and it wouldn't matter if they were vented or not. It would still take the same amount of time to change to a smaller kite or to a larger vented kite. I don't really why a vented NPW wouldn't work though. Riffclown has built lots of mesh Rev type kites and they seem to fly great.


The main purpose of the mesh or venting is to reduce force over surface area. Seems counter intuitive to me when it comes to traction kiting. It does have the side effect of slowing down the kite a bit overall so I can see a larger say 4M single skin vented to produce 3M level of pull. It could make controlling the beast a bit easier.. For buggying, little kites absolutely rock in high winds but they are rarely the "relaxing" experience you get with some of the much larger sails in lower winds.. Cruise vs. Sprint, I guess would be the obvious comparison.

Also FWIW, I can't think of a very practical way to vent anything other than a NPW or single skin as an inflatables or foils would introduce a drastic change in wing shape as well.

I also think this would be for fixed bridle since the sheeting action of a depower might lessen the effect of the bars position in and out..

Since you mentioned Meshes, I'll share that I finished my stack today..




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[*] posted on 1-10-2020 at 05:56 PM


Thanks riffclown. Very cool stack of kites. Just curious - do you wear bow ties? Might go good with your kites....:)



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[*] posted on 1-10-2020 at 06:03 PM


I have worn a bow tie but it has been a while..

I can't really do any real traction kiting any more but I really have been enjoying the flying and making of the stunt/sport side..




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[*] posted on 1-10-2020 at 08:47 PM
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stuck in the tree on the first flight?! that sucks!
just kidding. i absolutely love the shimmering light effect of the sun behind that fabric.
keep up the great work!
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[*] posted on 1-18-2020 at 09:06 PM


As usual, I'm a day late - this was yesterday.





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[*] posted on 1-20-2020 at 09:36 PM


You have a great set of contraptions, Randy. You make really great use of that lake!



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[*] posted on 1-20-2020 at 09:41 PM


Got out yesterday for some chilly and gusty practice on the surfboard. Finally nailed toeside, still working on jibes, but will get that down shortly I think.




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[*] posted on 1-21-2020 at 10:32 AM


Nice one Jeff. you have really progressed quickly in this sport!



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[*] posted on 1-21-2020 at 02:44 PM


Quote: Originally posted by Randy  
As usual, I'm a day late - this was yesterday.



nice, upwind turn wih a Nasa-wing.. :thumbup::thumbup:




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[*] posted on 1-22-2020 at 06:57 AM


Thanks. The NPW upwind turn is a bit difficult. A couple of times I thought I would pull my arm off. :)



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[*] posted on 1-22-2020 at 01:18 PM


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