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[*] posted on 11-6-2015 at 10:53 PM


smallies, you should hop over to the "meet up" topic and see if you can find someone in your area interested in helping you out.



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[*] posted on 11-7-2015 at 08:10 AM


Buy a 3m fb..life is no fun w/out a 3m in the back of the car
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[*] posted on 11-7-2015 at 04:07 PM


You may be shocked at how far down wind objects like trees will mess up the wind. 7 - 10 times the distance down wind as the object is high is the rule of thumb. Trying to jump anywhere near trees etc. in gusty wind is a recipe for disaster! You want steady clean winds for that game.

A few trees ruin many good spots around here!

Notice how the general advice has been to get a good 3m kite to feel out new locations and generally resetting your memory reflexes. Introduce friends to the sport etc.. If winds are as strong as you describe, just handling the power in a 3m will more than the thrill pill you are after. Once you come to terms with it AND your wind, you will be in a much better place to decide what kind of kite will jump well in your location.

These days if there aren't fellow kite pilots in your area there is probably a reason?

We all understand your desire for air time. It is what attracted many of us. We all found out that jumping is something you work up to. Skipping the time it takes to be fully in control of the kite without looking usually ends in disaster. The time at a location required to understand it's wind patterns to. The person who doesn't spend the time often ends up injured and loses interest. All that is left is the video and the black mark on our reputation.

We all want you to reach your goal. We just want you to go about it safely. Don't be Kiter Kevin! :duh:





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[*] posted on 11-7-2015 at 05:21 PM


I saw that "kite with a 65mph wind" last night, quite the supersonic rag doll! Good point about trees dirtying up the wind. Let me scrounge up a video and see how bad the trees really are.
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[*] posted on 11-7-2015 at 09:41 PM


Made this years ago. Small laptop/tablet preferred. https://youtu.be/s2hd6I-eqj4
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[*] posted on 11-8-2015 at 01:03 PM


After watching your video I have numerous other concerns about your plan:

1: i did not see any location where you would likely be able to launch a kite with 20-30m lines that most powerkites use safely (without entanglement on objects)

2: the amount of Lift that would be required to clear the trees would take either a) alot of forward speed off the cliff (probably more than you can supply at running, running start would also most likely entangle your lines on the abundant trees) or b) high winds that would most likely kick into the middle of that lake. Swimming with a foil in high winds is not fun, could even be dangerous. If it's an open cell you'd then be connected to a sea anchor. LEI would be the only type of kite that could probably manage that landing.

3: The sheer volume of trees, the chances that you make it over the trees which is minimal means you're most likely going to be IN the trees. This is a very dangerous scenario as depending on what they grab you could be suspended, or dropped right out of the sky.

4: Even with forward momunetum and some windspeed you're looking at massive wings (think 21m flysurfer or the biggest dang LEI you could find) these kites come with a premium. You're probably looking at $1500-2000 for just the kite. You'd still need everything else. A parafoil would probably be a more logical choice as those are MADE for lift, however see the previous comment about landing in the lake and the sea anchor.

I can't stop you from doing this, but i hope that you never try as i do NOT see this going well. If you notice in videos where professionals do cliff glide, their take off zones are always wide open.




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[*] posted on 11-8-2015 at 01:43 PM


I just skipped through the video expecting to see a kite flying location. All I saw was forest and ponds?

Unless I am missing something that location and strong winds would be crazy to even consider?

Nice place to die though!




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[*] posted on 11-8-2015 at 01:52 PM


Quote: Originally posted by Bladerunner  
Nice place to die though!


Hahaha you don't hold anything back do you blade. I agree though! Suicide!




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[*] posted on 11-8-2015 at 01:54 PM


double post... sowwie



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[*] posted on 11-8-2015 at 02:18 PM


Now the question is do you want us to call the police now, for a psychiatric hold, or the paramedics when you attempt this? Or maybe save us all the trouble and fine somewhere saner to do this at, and go through the proper steps of learning first. Few of us are to the level of jumping safely that far on a good location. See and all of that professional's crashes in an area with ideal wind.
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[*] posted on 11-8-2015 at 02:19 PM


Quote: Originally posted by MotoFoo86  
Quote: Originally posted by Bladerunner  
Nice place to die though!


Hahaha you don't hold anything back do you blade. I agree though! Suicide!


Have to agree. "You can't fix stupid" keeps echoing in my mind. I've re-read this thread several times in (misplaced) hope that our regular PKF crowd is somehow missing something. Alas, it appears that old Smallies is just a nut looking to live a dream as if in a video game. Guess what small-brains, there's no "time-extended" or new quarter to load into the console in this life.

Beyond the very valid issues raised about access for the rest of us, what about this fellow's loved ones or the poor person who gets to find him floating and bloated in the pond? Use your head man; life's about more than you. :mad:




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[*] posted on 11-8-2015 at 04:03 PM


Come on guys smallies is pulling our leg, I don't think this guy really exist, he is just having some fun on the board look at his registration date. I think his ridiculous post are written to get a rise out of u folks. The sideways video of the forest an cliff as a kite flying location is wht gave him in. lol



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[*] posted on 11-8-2015 at 05:45 PM


The launch point is up top of that leaning pine tree. The pond is very close to the bottom of the hill but shallow. Going far out deeper would be main concern. I could crash land anywhere on the front of the hill and laugh it off, It's just scrub pine and crap baby oaks just like the one used to access main tree.
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[*] posted on 11-8-2015 at 05:53 PM


Quote: Originally posted by windrider1  
Come on guys smallies is pulling our leg, I don't think this guy really exist, he is just having some fun on the board look at his registration date. I think his ridiculous post are written to get a rise out of u folks. The sideways video of the forest an cliff as a kite flying location is wht gave him in. lol


OK, so you're saying he's just an immature a-hole, not an idiot. Which is worse? Both are an equal waste of time for good folk.




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[*] posted on 11-8-2015 at 06:28 PM


The area of benevolent water crash/landing locales is very large.
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[*] posted on 11-8-2015 at 08:31 PM


You know, I've been kiting about 4 is years now and on this forum for only a few months less than that, and its a pretty common now that maybe every 6 to 8 months there is someone who is so off the wall that you can't tell whether they are absolutely complete nut balls or pretentious butt-whipes who are messing around with us because we are serious about our sport.

I remember a guy a little while back who just couldn't understand the difference between kiting and paragliding, because they look alike, so what makes them different... I remember wondering what the H377 was wrong with that guy... then I realized how frustrated I was getting over something so ridiculously mundane.

Point being if you ignore it, it will go away...




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[*] posted on 11-8-2015 at 08:31 PM


My friend had this low profile house on the beach just one story. In front of the house there was this massive barrier of rose bushes that they dared me to jump into wrapped up in a blanket for thorn protection. I agreed immediately and jumped from the flat roof. The mess of tightly intertwined stems had incredible strength and spring to it, it was like jumping on a mattress and box spring. I was the easiest thing ever. Nature has it's forgiving spots park city. Not all of it is rocks, hard ground, or icy front steps.
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[*] posted on 11-8-2015 at 08:34 PM


That may be true Smallies... still doesn't make it a good idea

In the end however, it's your life, and none of us can actually stop you. Just discourage.

With that i will end my involvement in the subject.




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[*] posted on 11-8-2015 at 08:40 PM


Not even a kite recommendation.
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[*] posted on 11-8-2015 at 09:12 PM


Screw it. Going to Tahoe. Maybe get some kite knowledge and huck some cliffs on my 173.
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[*] posted on 11-9-2015 at 05:37 AM


Quote: Originally posted by smallies  
In front of the house there was this massive barrier of rose bushes


I will leave it at this. When I read your little tale I thought two things. First, that the roses you discuss were purposely lovingly planted by somebody that took great care to grow, prune, and nurture them over many years into the state they were when you lept into them. Rose growing is a labor intensive art form and your little stunt likely created two years of work for the person raising those roses. Hey, here's a thought, those roses were OWNED by somebody other than you. I'm pretty much certain they were'nt owned by your friend.

The second thought is that self-centered thrill seekers like you usually fold like card tables in truly important points in life like combat or when you are needed to save somebody else's life in a crucial situation up on the mountain. You and your kind are the last people on earth to go mountaineering with.

Nuff said.




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[*] posted on 11-9-2015 at 09:16 PM


Chill out Stevie. Have an O'douls.
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[*] posted on 11-10-2015 at 03:37 PM


Obvious troll is obvious.



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[*] posted on 11-10-2015 at 04:24 PM


Obviously a JACKASS fan.... Darwinism at it's finest.:D




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[*] posted on 11-10-2015 at 05:15 PM


This is entertaining as all get out. :D



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[*] posted on 11-10-2015 at 05:44 PM


@ smallies, Let me know when you are headed out for the jump. I will meet you for coffee at the Hot Chocolate Sparrow and then buy you a beer at the Yardarm if you survive the landing.



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Quote: Originally posted by Bladerunner  
You may be shocked at how far down wind objects like trees will mess up the wind. 7 - 10 times the distance down wind as the object is high is the rule of thumb. Trying to jump anywhere near trees etc. in gusty wind is a recipe for disaster! You want steady clean winds for that game.

A few trees ruin many good spots around here!

Notice how the general advice has been to get a good 3m kite to feel out new locations and generally resetting your memory reflexes. Introduce friends to the sport etc.. If winds are as strong as you describe, just handling the power in a 3m will more than the thrill pill you are after. Once you come to terms with it AND your wind, you will be in a much better place to decide what kind of kite will jump well in your location.

These days if there aren't fellow kite pilots in your area there is probably a reason?

We all understand your desire for air time. It is what attracted many of us. We all found out that jumping is something you work up to. Skipping the time it takes to be fully in control of the kite without looking usually ends in disaster. The time at a location required to understand it's wind patterns to. The person who doesn't spend the time often ends up injured and loses interest. All that is left is the video and the black mark on our reputation.

We all want you to reach your goal. We just want you to go about it safely. Don't be Kiter Kevin! :duh:



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[*] posted on 11-11-2015 at 11:38 PM


Sweet, thanks dude! Totally need you to film. I have no kite yet, did not pull trigger on Prism tensor 4.2 and it's a lot of money for me. This will be so easy that you will be wondering why you didn't do it too.
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[*] posted on 11-12-2015 at 06:30 AM


yea...lets keep this thread around...i see Red Bull sponsorship



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[*] posted on 11-12-2015 at 06:46 AM


Quote: Originally posted by abkayak  
yea...lets keep this thread around...i see Red Bull sponsorship


You see sponsorship.... I'm seeing obituary. :crazy:




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