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[*] posted on 7-21-2015 at 03:57 PM


Hey! Back to our regularly scheduled program. I've read in many threads in recent months about the "Z-Bridle" for flying various DPs and Stars off of handles. Can somebody kindly help a brother out? Is there a good historical thread somebody could point me to? If not, a simple explanation? Double secret bonus points for pictures or drawings! Thanks in advance! :thumbup:

I want an excuse to fly on handles.




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[*] posted on 7-21-2015 at 04:31 PM


Z Bridle

There's the link to the z bridle thread for NPW's. I'm not aware of putting a z bridle on a depower, but you can fly your peak with handles using any length of lines without a Z bridle. I had to make sure I had the right amount of brake tension so it's responsive.
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[*] posted on 7-21-2015 at 04:37 PM


woohoo. Page 4 of Born awesomeness!!!

Glad you got a flight in today Spencer.

That's a cool looking bar design Steve. Never seen one like that before. Wonder what's on the inside of that one? Looking forward to your thoughts on different bar length settings as well. :thumbup:

Just put the right knot at the bar ends. something easy to untie, yet stay in place. Like a figure 8 knot, etc.




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[*] posted on 7-21-2015 at 06:47 PM


Quote: Originally posted by 3shot  
woohoo. Page 4 of Born awesomeness!!!



Pretty impressive considering we have filled page after page on other threads about them. Of course these are exciting times in the USA branch of the born kite pilots and new stuff coming out.
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[*] posted on 7-21-2015 at 06:55 PM


We are on the same page Jason regarding knots for the bar ends. I had already given this some thought and was considering tying a triple overhand knot. Nice and bulky but easy to "break".



Master plan: taking the best suggestions from my fellow Star devoties (you know who you are!). I thought I'd use color-coded sharpies to mark out the positioning of the little slider and a series of knots at the top of the center line for attaching the center bridle. If upon experimentation it turns out that I want a progressively longer center line as kites get bigger then I may color-code the knots too.

Color code the bar end holes you ask? Now that would just be obsessive. :lol:




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[*] posted on 7-21-2015 at 07:10 PM


Color code the holes I think would surpass my level of OCD.



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[*] posted on 7-21-2015 at 07:46 PM


I've set my posts per page at 80 so still only page 2 for me :D

I think the Z bridle is only for Nasas, I don't think there is any derivative for a depower as the design of the Z bridle is intended to allow extra pressure to be applied to the TE of the kite at the pilots request (applying brake pressure) otherwise there is equal pressure across all the bridling. Its not an on the fly adjustment like depow.... at least thats the best explanation I can give it.

I really like that triple overhand knot... that's pretty slick.




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[*] posted on 7-21-2015 at 08:07 PM


I took a look at the Z-bridle thread. Cool stuff, but over my head in terms of what I'm willing to do. Thanks for the heads up to the link nonetheless!

In the mighty world of knot tying and related nautical lore, IMHO there is no better source text than the Ashley Book of Knots. This tomb was originally published in the 1940s and has strikingly beautiful illustrations bringing you back to the age of the mighty Clipper Ships.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Ashley_Book_of_Knots

My dad and I used to go through it together when I was a kid. He would give me assignments and I would study the book and learn all sorts of new knots, understand when and why they are used, and even the history of different knots. Those were fun times for us lying on our living room rug challenging each other to tie different knots and stuff like that. My favorite was the bowline with double loop:



I figure a group of kite enthusiasts like ourselves would appreciate this, even if it is a tad off the Born-Kite theme.

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[*] posted on 7-22-2015 at 01:55 PM


Borrowed Big E's pics. Just to throw it in this thread :D

Really looking forward to this one :evil:

Quote: Originally posted by bigE123  







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[*] posted on 7-22-2015 at 02:09 PM


Jason - thanks for posting those pics! Ultra star fever. I didn't bother to try and decifer the German but from the pics the Ultra Star has me thinking Peak2. Not that there is anything wrong with that; my 12m P2 is my favorite kite in my quiver.

I will be most interested to see how these Ultra Stars stack up lift/grunt wise with the other Stars in Steffen's lineup. Speaking only for myself, I still want to fill in my single skin quiver to bridge the gap between my 4m NS3 and 7m Long Star (on order as of this morning!). I'm holding out for an Ultra Star!!! 5.5m?????




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[*] posted on 7-22-2015 at 02:20 PM


Well just looking at the wing shape, its got to be faster and prolly his best upwind skin design yet. I'm still on the fence with this, or just grabbing a Peak.

Curious how this bar setup will look and work, and how the kite's depower range. I really like how the Stars and Peaks both have the push out depowering of the kite.

Congrats on the Long Star too! Mama's got to be about ready to ring your neck :lol:




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[*] posted on 7-22-2015 at 03:05 PM


Nah, Mama's all good. Problem is the payback. She just let me know she is going to head to SoCal in a couple of weeks to play with long standing girlfriends. Those girl trips make my kite fettish seem like a bargain.

My thinking Peak2 vs Ultra Star. We are all pretty much cornered into buying new with these Stars (we being the coveted "early adopters" in the sales world). Peak2s on the other hand to me are better suited for picking up used. The rub is finding a Peak2 owner that will part with his kite. So, it you can find the right sized P2 on the used market at the right price then snatch it up! Like you though, part of the fun is getting to try the new stuff. Nice 1st world problem.

I want to know size to power stats on these new Stars to figure out where they might slot into a quiver.




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[*] posted on 7-22-2015 at 04:19 PM


I still kinda like the Peak 1 design.
I like the simplicity of the bar. Wait... are we jacking our own Born-kite thread here??????
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[*] posted on 7-22-2015 at 04:33 PM


Jacked or not, makes no difference to me. I think the peak 1 bar is almost perfect. Ultra simple. My only small complaint is the small hole for the depower line in the bar. It doesn't bother me control wise but I think it puts undo wear on the depow line. Other than that I think it's perfect. The depower range is good enough on mine that I don't need to trim on the fly. The 2 settings are great and you can still tinker with those if you want.
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[*] posted on 7-22-2015 at 05:07 PM


Agree Sean!!!

My next wing is either gonna be a 10m Nasa Star, the Ultra Star, or a Peak...

I know where I stand with NASA Stars. The Peak has a big following with good support for tips, mods, etc. The Ultra Star is an unknown. We kinda know what to expect in basic form, but its a new model. I have 100% confidence Steffen will get it right the first time. So... Decisions decisions.
This will be my last wing for a good while, so I want to make the best choice on the first swing. Lol




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[*] posted on 7-22-2015 at 09:05 PM


Man I wish I had more money :no:

So much stuff to love and so little greenbacks to trade for it :(

Now accepting donations for the annual JWC get Spencer a new kite fund... Donations are tax deductible so long as the IRS doesn't audit you :D




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[*] posted on 7-23-2015 at 06:19 AM


I was thinking about it when I went out the other day to fly static on my lunch break.

The original post on this thread by Jason (3shot) was about the sluggish turning of his 7m and the new longer bar he had modded in order to help with that... So I paid attention to the turning habits of my NS3 7m in flight and what I found was this: my 7m is slow turning in sub 10 mph winds, but once it blows up over that, it turns IMO just as fast as my smaller sizes... now I've little experience flying any Nasa Star under 5.5m so that may be an unfair comparison, (I don't own a 2.5m and I've only flown the 4m a hand full of times), and I'm not saying that Jason is wrong by any means, but I just wanted to pay attention and share my observations.

It seems obvious with ANY kite that the speed of the turn is correlated to the windspeed, but I DO think that with the Stars it is probably more exaggerated. It may have to do with the ram air aspect of foils combined with their use of apparent wind, that they hold their shape and can continue moving at speed in lighter air... just thinking out loud.

Maybe this is conjecture but one reason the smaller sizes turn so quick is because we use them in stronger winds... that's the reason we have them, they are high wind engines... the bigger ones ARE slower moving because we use them in lighter winds... their mass is bigger combined with lighter forces on them to turn. I'm pretty sure if you put up a 4m in sub 10 - 10 mph wind it would turn pretty slow too... yes faster than a 7m, but still slower than in a 15 mph breeze. Still just thinking out loud...

Someone tell me if you think I'm wrong, cuz really I'm just waxing intellectual and spitting out what I'm thinking... but it makes sense to me.

I shot the following with the iPhone while flying one-handed hoping to see something and I feel like I did... a little ... I think that there is a visible difference (esp with the upturn at the end). Forgive the camera work... it was tricky work holding the phone and flying at the same time.

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[*] posted on 7-23-2015 at 06:36 AM


Quote: Originally posted by ssayre  
:lol::lol::lol:

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ha...funny, im so twin skin im just getting around to peruse this thread now....you guys really drink this 1le skin cool aid all up




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[*] posted on 7-23-2015 at 06:53 AM


Quote: Originally posted by abkayak  
Quote: Originally posted by ssayre  
:lol::lol::lol:

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ha...funny, im so twin skin im just getting around to peruse this thread now....you guys really drink this 1le skin cool aid all up


Yes we do. :D Hopefully still an entertaining thread even if your not a single skin fan.

Spencer, I think your right. turning is slower in light air and using large ones in light air does contribute. I find the same thing. When wind is up then turning is always much better. Working the lighter stuff, I do think a longer bar would be beneficial. I've been wanting to try a longer bar with my short lines and longboard since I'm usually working a much lighter wind than with buggy.
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[*] posted on 7-23-2015 at 07:37 AM


Quote: Originally posted by soliver  
Man I wish I had more money :no:

So much stuff to love and so little greenbacks to trade for it :(

Now accepting donations for the annual JWC get Spencer a new kite fund... Donations are tax deductible so long as the IRS doesn't audit you :D


Or you could do as Jeb Bush suggests, and just work more hours! :o




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[*] posted on 7-23-2015 at 07:54 AM


Spencer - nice video and observations about turning speeds and wind strength. I suspect you are right on target with your thinking. Fine use of the English language BTW right at the end of the clip. :saint:

I imagine it was tough holding the iPhone in one hand and kiting with the other. Next time consider making a small ring with some Duct Tape and sticking the iPhone on your forehead. Think of it as an econo GoPro helmet cam. :evil:




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[*] posted on 7-23-2015 at 08:32 AM


Nice experiment Spencer. That is exactly what my flying was like last week!! Started out sub 10, then went to the 5.5 when it climbed over 12mph. I also agree that the kites performance is directly proportional to its size and wind speed. Any kite flies and turns quicker in its upper wind range.

What I found on a longer bar was the 7m turned quicker without having the increased wind speed to do so. So basically, the longer bar helped its lower wind range turn speed. But, there again, I don't have a NS3 to compare it to.

The NS3 is an improved NS2. I think mostly with the trailing edge bridles. BUT, the turn speeds will all be proportional to each size regardless if which model.

My NS2 2.5m is like a hornet on crack in 25 mph winds with the 55cm bar. I wouldn't even try the 65cm bar with a 2.5m :wow:. That's what I meant earlier by "over steering".

That was my static experience. Now, what I hope to see next time is in the buggy..... I hope the increased turn speed will let me sine the larger kite faster equaling more apparent wind. Keeping the kite tighter in the window's sweet spot. Besides.. What else do I have to do in crappy lull filled janky summer wind. Lol

Steve should be able to tell us more too. With his new bar he got, he can literally go from 55 to 65cm in under 30 seconds. Land the kite, swap two knots, and relaunch. He should see a big difference in his 8.5's lower wind range turn speed.




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[*] posted on 7-23-2015 at 08:51 AM


Dang, everytime I see a picture of a nasa star, I want to go fly mine and take some decent pictures to add to the thread.

On a different note, I flew my 7m on long lines along an entrance road to a park (longboard). I just hug the downwind edge and let traffic go around without stopping. It was cruising bliss. I had at least 5 people drive slowly by and said how awesome it was. That usually happens when I'm on the board. It's funny how longboard attracts so much attention where as I can only remember 1 time somebody commenting anything when I'm in the buggy. Buggy is one of those things that you need first hand experience to truly appreciate at it I guess
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[*] posted on 7-23-2015 at 09:31 AM


Quote: Originally posted by Windstruck  
Spencer... Fine use of the English language BTW right at the end of the clip. :saint:


Hey.... I'm about 90% sure that was "shoot"... just the "sh" and the "t" were exaggerated! :saint::saint::saint:




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[*] posted on 7-23-2015 at 02:42 PM


Fellow Star enthusiasts: I found a link to the Universal bar I ordered for adjusting the outside lines for my Stars. I measured the bar that I got from Steffen and center to center of the tie-in holes seemed to measure at 465mm give or take. That was exciting news for me because I had ordered this bar while I was on a business trip so I didn't have the bar to measure against when I pulled the trigger.

Since the Universal bar I'm getting adjusts in 5cm increments from 45-60cm that seemed pretty sweet! 45 cm for the smallest Stars, 50-55cm for the mid range, and 60cm for the Mac Daddies.

I'm figuring I'll get the bar in about 7-10 days from now as it came out of England. I didn't dig into the website too deeply, but at first blush it doesn't look as if they have a US distributor. If you click on the site's online store they offer the bar "naked" (yikes!) for 85 Eur. The bar appears to come with rear pre-lines.

Here's the link to the main site:

http://www.kiteattitude.com/english/control_bar_features.htm

Here's the link to the buying page:

http://kiteattitudefr.votreboutiquepro.fr/barres-de-kitesurf...

I got my bar for GBP 40 which is about 55 EUR or about $62 US. So a little cheaper than 85 EUR, but not much (dang! thought I was getting a better deal).

Once I get it I'll rig it up, test it, and report out to this crew. Who knows, maybe it will be the next BIG THING!
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[*] posted on 7-23-2015 at 03:57 PM


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Dang, everytime I see a picture of a nasa star, I want to go fly mine and take some decent pictures to add to the thread.


Nothing special, but I liked the colors in these pics. I also like Born-Porn :D





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ha...funny, im so twin skin im just getting around to peruse this thread now....you guys really drink this 1le skin cool aid all up


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[*] posted on 7-23-2015 at 04:38 PM


Agreed Jason - very nice pics. Born-porn! Now that's funny. That last picture made me feel strangely thirsty. :bird:



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[*] posted on 7-23-2015 at 04:39 PM


I'm not on the kult-aid at all :D



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[*] posted on 7-23-2015 at 04:44 PM


Sweet 180 action Sean! Out of curiosity, what length lines are you running in that video?



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[*] posted on 7-23-2015 at 04:48 PM


Thanks. I'm on 5 meter lines
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