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[*] posted on 1-18-2019 at 12:47 PM


It's academic for me. Snow is pretty rare around here. :D



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[*] posted on 1-18-2019 at 05:53 PM


There's always butt scuds, or even just sitting down on a sled, Steve... c'mon!!!!

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[*] posted on 1-18-2019 at 06:13 PM


Quote: Originally posted by soliver  
There's always butt scuds, or even just sitting down on a sled, Steve... c'mon!!!!

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You guys are great. Really. The problem with anything but a solution involving a AQR is I can't reasonably assure my wife I won't get lofted (again). The one work around would be to hold a kite bar and Popeye it. I have thought of taking out my new 2.5m NS4 and just put it in my bar with some 20m lines and just go that way. The bar has a chicken loop on it but who says I need to hook in? A NS4 is essentially a 2 line kite anyway.

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[*] posted on 1-18-2019 at 07:38 PM


I only started hooking in this season when I got the big Paraski (which pretty much requires it.) I'm pretty sure going Popeye is not the best way to ride, but you do get more of a workout - especially after you let go of the bar and have to go set up the kite again and again and again. Go for it Steve! :D



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First up I need to confess that I'm playing Devil's Advocate for purely selfish reasons - I don't want to wait until spring before we get Steve's review of the NS4 ;)

The problem with most QR's is that they're not intuitive to use so you'll never be able to activate them quickly enough to avoid trouble. Normally you're already well on the way to a painful experience long before you've thought of letting go of the bar, reaching for the OS button and trying to remember whether to pull or push. Ideally, when you feel that first twinge of panic you just want to drop everything and have the problem go away. So, here's a solution from the time when 2-line kites were the only option - let go the handles and the kite breaks away. Not AQR but a natural reflex action that's so quick that it's pretty close to being automatic. Also, there's not much chance of getting airborne with a NS4. Just saying . . .. . :evil:



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Quote: Originally posted by Mfwetu  
First up I need to confess that I'm playing Devil's Advocate for purely selfish reasons - I don't want to wait until spring before we get Steve's review of the NS4 ;)

The problem with most QR's is that they're not intuitive to use so you'll never be able to activate them quickly enough to avoid trouble. Normally you're already well on the way to a painful experience long before you've thought of letting go of the bar, reaching for the OS button and trying to remember whether to pull or push. Ideally, when you feel that first twinge of panic you just want to drop everything and have the problem go away. So, here's a solution from the time when 2-line kites were the only option - let go the handles and the kite breaks away. Not AQR but a natural reflex action that's so quick that it's pretty close to being automatic. Also, there's not much chance of getting airborne with a NS4. Just saying . . .. . :evil:





I completely agree that relying on manually popping the chicken loop is just a lousy way to ensure safety, and history proves in my case that this form of protection just won't work if I'm startled by something out of the blue.

The good news / bad news here is that I stopped weight lifting with my upper body last year and now make lap swimming one of my core regular workouts. I say upper body because I still do goblet squats with kettle bells to get my legs ready for telemark ski season. As a result I don't think I could do a chin up to save my life right now. The issue at hand here is ensuring that I don't get lofted high into the air as I am said to have done during my freak gasoline fight accident a few years ago. Even if one of my NasaStars did somehow lift me off the ground I don't think I could hold on for Toad's Wild Ride even if I wanted to.

My quiver of NasaStars at this point range from 1.5m up to 4.0m and I have no intention of buying larger ones again. That quiver is set to shrink in a couple of months as I have already committed to iPaul (Jeepersjoey) to donate my 2.5 and 4.0m NS3s into the IBX 2019 raffle. The wind will need to be pretty strong to get me going on skis in deep loose snow with such small kites but we'll see.

In the meantime I may be able to get the 2.5m NS4 out for some static test flying. I too am curious how it may compare to it's cousin from the NS3 quiver and I hope to fly them back to back for a comparison while I still own the 2.5m NS3. Stay tuned anxious ones! :lol:




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[*] posted on 1-25-2019 at 07:34 PM


I'm Born Again sort of. Finally rode my buggy and ATB with my recently scored 5.5 and 7.0 NS2 which I got from Spencer (who got them from Old Ben, who got them from Sean.)

Anyway - simply not enough wind today - my Paraski Flex takes more wind to fly than these Stars and I'd been meaning to try them anyway so I did rather than drive back home. They flew pretty well between lulls and got me going when probably nothing else would have. I'd never buggied with the 7.0 Star so that was good. As an afterthought I decided to Street Kite my ATB on the "road" at the fairgrounds - so I've come full circle. That's how I got started in all this around 5 years ago.

Here is my video - not the kind of high class Born Porn Steve posts, rather the tawdry back alley kind with 2 Born Stars taking a guy for a ride. If you look close you can see the road hazards I have to navigate at this spot due to the recent rains.









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BTW - my recent experience with the flex kites (both big and small) has piqued my interest in using the "Street kite" (short line or no line) set up with my buggy. Here are some videos showing that. (These are more the higher class Born Porn but you may want to skip in a way to just see the action.) I may give it a try at my "asphalt beach" next time around. And who knows - maybe even JIBE or WIldwood......











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Quote: Originally posted by Randy  
BTW - my recent experience with the flex kites (both big and small) has piqued my interest in using the "Street kite" (short line or no line) set up with my buggy. Here are some videos showing that. (These are more the higher class Born Porn but you may want to skip in a way to just see the action.) I may give it a try at my "asphalt beach" next time around. And who knows - maybe even JIBE or WIldwood......









Cool videos! Ever the Born fan, I delighted in seeing both custom colors and sizes.

I've flown NS3s in all these fashions. Fun to fool around with them like this. It's harder to keep the kites off the ground with shorter or no lines than longer lines in my experience which can be a little rough on a harsh playa but not an issue of course on grass, snow, sand, etc.




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[*] posted on 1-26-2019 at 05:02 PM


Quote: Originally posted by Randy  
I'm Born Again sort of. Finally rode my buggy and ATB with my recently scored 5.5 and 7.0 NS2 which I got from Spencer (who got them from Old Ben, who got them from Sean.)

Anyway - simply not enough wind today - my Paraski Flex takes more wind to fly than these Stars and I'd been meaning to try them anyway so I did rather than drive back home. They flew pretty well between lulls and got me going when probably nothing else would have. I'd never buggied with the 7.0 Star so that was good. As an afterthought I decided to Street Kite my ATB on the "road" at the fairgrounds - so I've come full circle. That's how I got started in all this around 5 years ago.

Here is my video - not the kind of high class Born Porn Steve posts, rather the tawdry back alley kind with 2 Born Stars taking a guy for a ride. If you look close you can see the road hazards I have to navigate at this spot due to the recent rains.







That's awesome. beautiful kites. I love seeing that slight bend in the street bar. I did that in 40+ mph gusts with the 2.5 star in the buggy on short lines in a gravel lot. good times.

I thought that bend might have compromised the bar but have no fear, I used it plenty of times since in strong wind and it did not continue to bend. It actually makes one handed use a little easier.
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[*] posted on 1-28-2019 at 12:58 PM


Anyone know about this kind of rig for 5 th line safety/depower?





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Quote: Originally posted by Ed Cline  
Anyone know about this kind of rig for 5 th line safety/depower?



Ed, never seen a setup like this before. I'm not sure what you gain from fixing the two handles together into an "H". When you fly NasaStars from handles with Z-bridles you use all four lines separately if that makes sense (a little touch of brake on the same side as you are pulling towards you to make the kite turn more rapidly, sort of like spinning it on its center as compared to carving a turn with only power line pressure. With the bar locked in an H like this you wouldn't be able to independently apply brake pressure as I just described. I'm not sure how the kite would behave if you simultaneously pulled one side of the bar towards you for a turn AND flexed your wrists to pivot the H along the horizontal bar as you would when applying brake pressure.

If you wanted five line stropped control of a NasaStar why not just use a set of stropped handles from a standard 4-line FB setup and then just string the fifth line from an attachment point on your harness? No, you wouldn't be able to scrunch the nose for some sort of DP as you can when set up as a three line kite but if you let go of the handles (and unhooked the strop from your harness pulley) you'd still be attached to the kite via the 5th line.

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[*] posted on 1-28-2019 at 04:28 PM


Quote: Originally posted by Ed Cline  
Anyone know about this kind of rig for 5 th line safety/depower?


So you don't know much about this kind of hybrid?
It's okay kite buddy, I thought I saw a glimpse of this in a eurovideo.
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[*] posted on 1-28-2019 at 06:35 PM


If the handles could pivot on the crossbar... It might work. Would take some trial on the crossbar width, probably start with having the overall width of the H bar match the width of Borns normal bar and go from there. Would be plenty easy enough to fab up.



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[*] posted on 1-28-2019 at 06:43 PM


I have seen that in a couple of different forms. On was used to make a winder for a kayak kite (it didn't have the 5th line though).

http://www.sciencephotography.com/andy/kitekayaking.htm

I also recall seeing a picture of a guy using that sort of bar/line setup but can't seem to locate it. If I recall correctly there was only a picture and no discussion of the method. I will continue to look a bit and post if I find it.


So I would search on permutations of NPW kite or NASA kite, etc and see if you can find anything like that.




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[*] posted on 1-28-2019 at 08:05 PM


Quote: Originally posted by Randy  
I'm Born Again sort of. Finally rode my buggy and ATB with my recently scored 5.5 and 7.0 NS2 which I got from Spencer (who got them from Old Ben, who got them from Sean.)

Anyway - simply not enough wind today - my Paraski Flex takes more wind to fly than these Stars and I'd been meaning to try them anyway so I did rather than drive back home. They flew pretty well between lulls and got me going when probably nothing else would have. I'd never buggied with the 7.0 Star so that was good. As an afterthought I decided to Street Kite my ATB on the "road" at the fairgrounds - so I've come full circle. That's how I got started in all this around 5 years ago.

Here is my video - not the kind of high class Born Porn Steve posts, rather the tawdry back alley kind with 2 Born Stars taking a guy for a ride. If you look close you can see the road hazards I have to navigate at this spot due to the recent rains.







Thats awesome Randy!... I've ridden that exact route many many times before: https://vimeo.com/166906321

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[*] posted on 1-29-2019 at 10:00 AM


Thanks Spencer. I think this might the video you meant to post. :)

https://vimeo.com/166906321




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Quote: Originally posted by Windstruck  

I've flown NS3s in all these fashions. Fun to fool around with them like this. It's harder to keep the kites off the ground with shorter or no lines than longer lines in my experience which can be a little rough on a harsh playa but not an issue of course on grass, snow, sand, etc.


The last few days provided some strong (though as erratic as ever) winds and the opportunity to try the NS2 5.5 and 7.0 with no lines. I was surprised how it worked though it has some drawbacks. You are right it is harder to keep them off the ground, but I don't think that means they spend more time on the ground because you can usually recover in just a few seconds (sometimes while continuing to ride) and if there just isn't enough wind to fly relaunching is much easier and quicker than with long lines (which may be tangled and a mess if you have to bail on the kite). Of course, you lose the power stroke of longer lines, but can make up for that with just going bigger. I flew the 5.5 and 7.0 on days when I probably would have been on 3-4m with long lines.

The interesting thing is it was easier to keep my line and not lose ground downwind. It is also a more convenient setup. There is probably more turbulence and less wind closer to ground level but you have a lot more control over the kite because you can move it in and out of the power zone quickly. So it works well enough to keep trying it I think.

Here is some more Bornographic movies.....BTW - If you want to see what a snow day (schools closed) looks like in Atlanta - here it is.











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Quote: Originally posted by Randy  
Quote: Originally posted by Windstruck  

I've flown NS3s in all these fashions. Fun to fool around with them like this. It's harder to keep the kites off the ground with shorter or no lines than longer lines in my experience which can be a little rough on a harsh playa but not an issue of course on grass, snow, sand, etc.


The last few days provided some strong (though as erratic as ever) winds and the opportunity to try the NS2 5.5 and 7.0 with no lines. I was surprised how it worked though it has some drawbacks. You are right it is harder to keep them off the ground, but I don't think that means they spend more time on the ground because you can usually recover in just a few seconds (sometimes while continuing to ride) and if there just isn't enough wind to fly relaunching is much easier and quicker than with long lines (which may be tangled and a mess if you have to bail on the kite). Of course, you lose the power stroke of longer lines, but can make up for that with just going bigger. I flew the 5.5 and 7.0 on days when I probably would have been on 3-4m with long lines.

The interesting thing is it was easier to keep my line and not lose ground downwind. It is also a more convenient setup. There is probably more turbulence and less wind closer to ground level but you have a lot more control over the kite because you can move it in and out of the power zone quickly. So it works well enough to keep trying it I think.

Here is some more Bornographic movies.....BTW - If you want to see what a snow day (schools closed) looks like in Atlanta - here it is.









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[*] posted on 1-31-2019 at 05:25 PM


Thanks Steve. One nice thing about short lines - it shows off the kites better than long ones. I used my pantleg cam on this one. Maybe I should use a shoephone cam on the next one. :D



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Quote: Originally posted by Randy  
Thanks Spencer. I think this might the video you meant to post. :)

https://vimeo.com/166906321


HA, yes it was!... not sure how that happened!




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Quote: Originally posted by Randy  
Quote: Originally posted by Windstruck  

I've flown NS3s in all these fashions. Fun to fool around with them like this. It's harder to keep the kites off the ground with shorter or no lines than longer lines in my experience which can be a little rough on a harsh playa but not an issue of course on grass, snow, sand, etc.


The last few days provided some strong (though as erratic as ever) winds and the opportunity to try the NS2 5.5 and 7.0 with no lines. I was surprised how it worked though it has some drawbacks. You are right it is harder to keep them off the ground, but I don't think that means they spend more time on the ground because you can usually recover in just a few seconds (sometimes while continuing to ride) and if there just isn't enough wind to fly relaunching is much easier and quicker than with long lines (which may be tangled and a mess if you have to bail on the kite). Of course, you lose the power stroke of longer lines, but can make up for that with just going bigger. I flew the 5.5 and 7.0 on days when I probably would have been on 3-4m with long lines.

The interesting thing is it was easier to keep my line and not lose ground downwind. It is also a more convenient setup. There is probably more turbulence and less wind closer to ground level but you have a lot more control over the kite because you can move it in and out of the power zone quickly. So it works well enough to keep trying it I think.

Here is some more Bornographic movies.....BTW - If you want to see what a snow day (schools closed) looks like in Atlanta - here it is.









Nice! Have you tried 5m lines yet?
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I have (or something close) but it has been a long time, and before I started riding a buggy. See picture below. I've had this theory that I could really get by with just one of these kites for all wind ranges. For the highest winds just fly off the bar, and as wind drops add more length. I'm not sure if it would be the 5.5 or 7.0 but somewhere in that range. I already tried them both a few weeks ago in "too light" wind on 25m lines. But then - who wants only one kite anyway.....







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Nasawing 4 m and nasawing 13 m i have theim both. It s enough with or without lines on grass for a big windrange
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In our never ending quest to keep this thread going, here is some more Bornography from last week.












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Quote: Originally posted by Randy  
I have (or something close) but it has been a long time, and before I started riding a buggy. See picture below. I've had this theory that I could really get by with just one of these kites for all wind ranges. For the highest winds just fly off the bar, and as wind drops add more length. I'm not sure if it would be the 5.5 or 7.0 but somewhere in that range. I already tried them both a few weeks ago in "too light" wind on 25m lines. But then - who wants only one kite anyway.....









rolling resistance has a lot to do it too. I could get by on a whisper with the 5.5 on asphalt where I wouldn't have budged on grass.

On the same token, a 5.5 or 7 would be a lot to hang on to in strong wind, even on no lines.

However, you already know all of this :D. Your better versed than I on all things nasa.
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An epic day yesterday - best I've ever had at a place not call Jekyll. I even mastered a new trick - Kite Laydown 360 Jibe. :lol: (Believe it or not - I've done several times - good way to recover.)







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[*] posted on 2-9-2019 at 10:37 AM


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An epic day yesterday - best I've ever had at a place not call Jekyll. I even mastered a new trick - Kite Laydown 360 Jibe. :lol: (Believe it or not - I've done several times - good way to recover.)





Outstanding! Very smoothly done. Most impressed. I have to say that throughout my stint as a (distinctly amateur) power kite pilot that I've always really liked the look of the vertical stripes of the NS2s. I've never owned one but just love how they look. I know just what it is that I like about them too; they remind me of a beloved cartoon character from my yute, viz., Obelix, from the great French series Asterix and Obelix.


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[*] posted on 2-12-2019 at 01:00 PM


Steve, somehow i doubt that Steffen will be using the fact that his kites resemble a fat Frenchman in his marketing :D.

As to your statement about amateur status, a) I have seen you fly, that is not true and b) if it is true Paul and I will turn you Pro when we drag you around the Playa at IBX.




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[*] posted on 2-12-2019 at 01:05 PM


Quote: Originally posted by Cerebite  
Steve, somehow i doubt that Steffen will be using the fact that his kites resemble a fat Frenchman in his marketing :D.

As to your statement about amateur status, a) I have seen you fly, that is not true and b) if it is true Paul and I will turn you Pro when we drag you around the Playa at IBX.


You two have always been pros in my book. I just hang on and bask in your greatness like the groupie I am. Now, if I only had a kite squire, my kite world would be complete!

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RaceStar (9.0m, 11.0m)
NasaStar-4 (2.5m, 4.0m, 5.5m, 7.0m)
NasaStar-3 (custom 3.2m)

Buggy:
Peter Lynn BigFoot+ nose & tail; midsection VTT rail & seat kit; home-brewed AQR

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