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[*] posted on 9-17-2014 at 01:26 PM


Would it be worth the time to convert a Symphony 1.8 to quad? I have the new rainbow version.

FedEx just dropped a 4m quad on my doorstep.. I can't wait to get home from work.
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[*] posted on 9-17-2014 at 02:46 PM


I've converted a 1.8 and I thought it was a bit sluggish.. It will work but you have to be very cognizant of the line and bridle weight. It will work but in my opinion, it's the lower limit of feasibility.



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[*] posted on 9-17-2014 at 05:58 PM


Handles and sleeving kit to make my brake lines properly arrived today. Dinner at inlaws tomorrow night and a date with the sewing machine. LOL Calling for good kite flying conditions this weekend so if all goes to plan will be having some symphony 2.2.4 fun. LOL And yes I will get video. :)
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[*] posted on 9-20-2014 at 06:13 PM


Woohoo got to fly it for the first time today and wow that's different. Hahaha. Kinda wonky winds where we were at sadly so big gust for a few seconds and then big lulls of nothing so didn't really get too good at flying 4 lines. First 4 line experience. I think I am going to definetly like it though. Hoping to get it out in some nice steady wind tomorrow and really give it a workout. :)
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[*] posted on 9-20-2014 at 06:24 PM


Officially, welcome to the addiction. :wee:




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[*] posted on 9-20-2014 at 06:32 PM


Thanks Riff again bridles are fantastic. Even my 6 year old wanted a shot at flying it today and he didn't know any more than I about flying 4 line and he did just fine. He got a kick out of launching flying straight up thru the power zone and then full on brakes to bring it back down. I think once he understands what to do with it flying back and forth he will no longer want to fly his little snapshot 1.2. LOL He loves to get dragged around on his butt, laughs the whole time. Yes we are becoming quickly addicted.
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[*] posted on 9-20-2014 at 07:26 PM


Officially, welcome to the addiction. :wee:




Lots of two line stuff including a 9 stack of HQ Boleros
HQ Symphony 2.2.4!
Skydog SDT 2.8
HQ Crossfire II 2.0, 3.0 & 4.0
HQ Toxic 8.0
Flexifoil Bullet 4.5
PL Hornet 2.0

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[*] posted on 9-21-2014 at 09:38 AM


Ok put some time on this thing this morning. and yep I am hopelessly addicted now. Blowing 20+ with gusts over 30 and just had a blast. Big gusts were actually causing me to scud across the grass today. So it was a bit windy :) Love how i can just fly across the power window at full speed stop, pivot and turn around the other way. Just amazing. Why did I ever buy a 2 line kite to start with? HAHAHA.
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[*] posted on 9-21-2014 at 11:09 AM


Pics and vids! Pics and vid!



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HQ Toxic 8.0
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PL Hornet 2.0

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[*] posted on 9-21-2014 at 01:11 PM


Vid later, convinced wife we should go have a picnic this evening. HAHA
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[*] posted on 9-22-2014 at 09:31 AM


Short video from this morning. Winds were a bit funky since we were in between the buildings here at work but got out for a little fun. Flying skills still need a bit of work so no laughing at those. Lol.

http://youtu.be/Fvxty0mBTKc
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[*] posted on 9-30-2014 at 06:11 PM


10mph and he is now hooked. Guess I can buy another larger kite now since I think my symphony has now been claimed by my son.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vglepGmx3JQ&index=1&...
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[*] posted on 9-30-2014 at 06:58 PM


Looks like someone is having a blast. I'm glad it's working out for you.. That kite definitely has a pegged fun factor. :)



Lots of two line stuff including a 9 stack of HQ Boleros
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Skydog SDT 2.8
HQ Crossfire II 2.0, 3.0 & 4.0
HQ Toxic 8.0
Flexifoil Bullet 4.5
PL Hornet 2.0

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[*] posted on 10-1-2014 at 04:10 AM


Yep riff it's working out just great. My only issue and it's just me is I haven't figured out how to wind 4 lines up and not get any tangles when I got to unwind them. Usually have to spend a few minutes fixing the lines. Tried a few different ways and just haven't found a consistent method for me yet. Lol. Awesome kite and awesome fun.
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[*] posted on 10-1-2014 at 12:09 PM


Here's What i use for all my four liners

http://www.powerkiteforum.com/viewthread.php?tid=26505#pid25...




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HQ Toxic 8.0
Flexifoil Bullet 4.5
PL Hornet 2.0

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[*] posted on 10-1-2014 at 04:36 PM


Yup. More kites in his future :lol:



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[*] posted on 10-1-2014 at 04:54 PM


And he has it bad..... I mean good :D

But who are we to point. I know we have it bad...




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HQ Toxic 8.0
Flexifoil Bullet 4.5
PL Hornet 2.0

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[*] posted on 10-14-2014 at 10:56 AM


Man this thing is a blast. Just was out in about 25-30mph just flinging it around on break here at work. So much fun. If any of you have one that is not modded. Mod it. You will not be sorry. Woohoo.
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[*] posted on 10-8-2015 at 07:23 PM


I know this is an old thread but so interesting as a fairly new flyer!

I read that the 1.8 is sluggish when working the quad mod but has there ever been a post on line length and weight for the bridal on the 1.8?

I would like to give my 1.8 pro a face-lift into the quad world. Even a sluggish quad sounds better than staying dual in my opinion.

If anyone has info on this please let me know!

Thanks in advance ;)

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[*] posted on 10-9-2015 at 07:48 AM


I've only done one 1.8 and I 'eyeballed" it for the lengths. You can use the same measurements for the bridles and just shorten the one piece after the other bridles converge to a point..


OR we could work something out and I'd be glad to convert it for you.. PM me if you'd like to open a dialog there.




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HQ Symphony 2.2.4!
Skydog SDT 2.8
HQ Crossfire II 2.0, 3.0 & 4.0
HQ Toxic 8.0
Flexifoil Bullet 4.5
PL Hornet 2.0

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[*] posted on 5-21-2017 at 06:11 PM


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B_F-LMS-1IA



John Barresi and Scott Benz flying a Rev B-series and my Symphony 2.2.4 side by side. JB is flying the Symphony..




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Skydog SDT 2.8
HQ Crossfire II 2.0, 3.0 & 4.0
HQ Toxic 8.0
Flexifoil Bullet 4.5
PL Hornet 2.0

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[*] posted on 5-21-2017 at 07:02 PM


FINALLY got a chance to fly my 2.2.4 conversion! Wind (lack lack thereof) and rain have been making things difficult, lol. Its an absolute gas to play with! I love it! Super touchy on the brakes, but, mine was done with a beach not a pro. Dont know if the pro is the same way after conversion. It will definately make me better with fine brake control! If youve got a Symphony 2.2 lying about, do the conversion, youll love it!



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[*] posted on 5-21-2017 at 07:23 PM


the "touchy" is very intentional. Glad you finally got a chance to fly it. The major difference between the beach and the pro is the bridles. On the beach they are a dynema or blendline type material and are tied. On the pro they are a thicker hi modulous line and are sewn.
IMO The pro is tuned a touch differently and seems to be less prone to bridle stretch.




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HQ Symphony 2.2.4!
Skydog SDT 2.8
HQ Crossfire II 2.0, 3.0 & 4.0
HQ Toxic 8.0
Flexifoil Bullet 4.5
PL Hornet 2.0

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[*] posted on 5-22-2017 at 11:51 AM
no sew method


converted a 1.8 pro just for a high wind kite. they're 1.17 sq meters. i'm not worried if it can riffclown for olympic 10 scores. it does all i'll ever need it to do. and it is the only kite i have been able to do a dive stop with. EASY!
this conversion works well on a slingshot b2, also. (says my brother, i have not flown it) that is around 1.1 sq m as well.
i used the normal given bridle lengths, using double-overhand knots with 300 lb. dyneema fishing line. yes, they'll likely stretch. i may never even bother to check. that knot uses up a lot of line. if i remember correctly, i took the "attachment point" measurements, and added 6 inches to each end. so for the 56 incher, i cut a length of 68". measure 8 inches from the end, and fold it over at the middle. e.g, you will bring back 4 inches of line back onto itself. double-overhand there and keep the knot as close to the tag end as possible. do the same knot on the other end and that line is done. plenty of loop for a larkshead.
the only problem i see with these dinks is that they seem "digital" instead of "analog." with analog signals, you have a bit of working room. it can be less than perfect, but still be ok. video, for instance, can have a really crappy picture, but at least you'll still see something. digital is on or it is off. if you have a crappy digital video signal, you will see NOTHING.
i don't get much in the way of working the kite to stay up in lulls. it just can't grab enough air. it is up, or it is down. no in between.
but when they're 'on,"... fun fun fun!!!
for my pro conversion, i had a thin, 1/2" lanyard. i cut 8 three inch pieces and used Shoe-Fix superglue. this glue just fixed my teva sole separation problem that nothing else would stick to. it is a flexible super glue and is holding on like a crocodile to a water buffalo.
i'm guessing that regular superglue would work, too, since it's on such a small area and doesn't really need to flex. and it's far cheaper than the shoe-fix. (9.95 + 4 bucks for shipping for a .7 oz bottle) (that bottle would do a LOT of fixing, though) the first attaching attempt was with 3m 9460 supertape that i got for the sandals. (didn't work) for the first lanyard tab, i tried the tape. it was ok, but i didn't trust it. when i glued that tab, i knew i had a winner.
take the 3" pieces, heat the ends with a lighter so they don't fray, tie a overhand knot at one end, (tricky, since you don't have much length to work with. hemostats or tweezers help a lot) and glue the tag end down on the kite edge. i clamped them with a hemostat for a very short time, but i don't think that is even necessary. pressing down on it for a few seconds is probably all that is needed.
for the connection, just larkshead the bridle and loop it over the lanyard knot.
one reason for this method is that if it did not work well, all i had to do to return it to normal is snip off the lanyard pieces.
so, if anyone is on the fence for doing the conversion, and you were worried about the sewing part of it, worry no more.
i'll be trying it on a 1.7 synapse as soon as a pal gets it to me.
tom

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[*] posted on 5-22-2017 at 12:10 PM


I'm glad this thread has come up. I have a synapse 200 and had considered doing this to it. Glad to have a good reference for giving it a shot.
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[*] posted on 5-22-2017 at 12:14 PM


I'm glad this thread has come up. I have a synapse 200 and had considered doing this to it. Glad to have a good reference for giving it a shot.
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[*] posted on 5-22-2017 at 02:06 PM



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nw6C2dFfyi4

Once I got it unpacked and ready, I handed the handles to JB at the 1:00 mark for his extremely short familiarization with the modded foil. I was very interested in hearing his first impressions. It validated a lot of how I feel about this foil and the conversion. Notice how he puts it through the paces very quickly and find the limits of the sail. I spoke with him about the few idiosyncrasies with this item and he decided he was ready to play. This ground cam segment is the immediate precursor to the JB & Scott video above. The "Warmup before the dance" if you will. At 4:02 you see him decide to run over ans start interacting with Scott and the lake..




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HQ Symphony 2.2.4!
Skydog SDT 2.8
HQ Crossfire II 2.0, 3.0 & 4.0
HQ Toxic 8.0
Flexifoil Bullet 4.5
PL Hornet 2.0

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[*] posted on 6-19-2017 at 12:39 PM


Time lapse video of the conversion process..
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7mUBdFyxU0A




Lots of two line stuff including a 9 stack of HQ Boleros
HQ Symphony 2.2.4!
Skydog SDT 2.8
HQ Crossfire II 2.0, 3.0 & 4.0
HQ Toxic 8.0
Flexifoil Bullet 4.5
PL Hornet 2.0

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