Yeah, like Sean said, we were told crash then swim was, I emailed him about a week + ago and haven't hard a thing from him...
Seems like the best bet is ordering from Born Kite in Germany.
The shipping is obvious more expensive than if there were a US distributer, but they aren't outrageous. To North America its 35 Eur for under 5kg and
then 45 Eur up to 10kg details here: http://www.venturi-power.de/shop_content.php?coID=1
I'm in the market for a 3 kite quiver and will be posting my 5.5m RII and my 8.6m RII for sale soon to pay for them.
John, can you tell us again what makes the pro depower bar different from the 3 line depower bar... i see the Pro has some pulleys and such, but i
can't well see how they operate differently.
As to using the depower function constantly...... it wasn't really designed with us buggiers in mind and as such, I feel that depowered, the kite sits
back in the window and slows down - not quite what I want for the buggy at speed. Ok for the streetkiting usage where they're not usually travelling
as fast and a bit of extra drag is not a bad thing but perhaps not suited to the buggy. Hence, I only tend to use it as a primary safety. Give it a
whirl and see what you think....
NS, just as other Nasas I have tried, have too steep AOA and too much trailing edge pull in my opinion. This results in narrowing of window and more
parasitic side pull. So in the original configuration depowering contributes to these unfavourable features. However in my NS 2.4 (the decimal
indicates the phases of mods I made to them) I frequently kite with a pre-set depower without noticeably loosing any upwind ability – something I am
quite surprised by and quite unexpected. This allows me to use a larger kite than I would normally do with a conventional foil. So I find the dynamic
use of depower very useful, as well as the additional control with the brakes the handles provide.
John, can you tell us again what makes the pro depower bar different from the 3 line depower bar.
On a normal bar, pull the bar in and shorten the rear lines, which also makes the center lines longer....so to speak. But, both lines on the pro
depower bar are joined via a pulley setup - so it actually makes no difference to the kite. Except that the brake function is attached to one of the
lines - so letting the bar out, pulls the nose line in. As both the 'front' & 'rear' lines are actually joined together at the kite, the overall
pull is split between them. So if you fly with the bar released, there is still 50% of the power going to your harness via the center lines instead
of all being on the bar as per the 3 line bar. There's also the safety/bar release right at your thumb which is very easy to release and the std
chicken loop instead of the trapeze so I don't think there's any reason you can't spin the bar if released (although it's still carrying 50% of the
power) Even though you've got a four line bar, the kite is really only in a two line configuration plus the short depower line.
I still get a little confused when I look at it! Hope that makes sense....
So what difference does it make to flying the kite from the standard NS2/NS3 depower bar? Does the action of the pro depower bar effect the way the
kite handles at all?
Phreerider, this is the video where it looks like John has his nasa wing set up in four line mode but has it set up on a bar. I would assume this
would work the same way on an npw.
John, how did you like this method? I'm asking mainly to see if you think it would work well other types of nasa wings.
It worked ok but I've gone back to the std & pro depower set ups. When I first tried it, I didn't use the z bridle and the drag on the brake
lines would cause the kite to reverse at speed - not good! Then I rigged it with the z bridle so it flew as per normal 2 line but I could pull brakes
with the brake strap. The depower line was not used and all four line ended up on the bar ends.
Clocked a 56.7kph with the NS3 3.2m today in 16? Knots slightly cross on shore. Was surprised by that - would've been expecting 48ish maybe with the
NS2's. So I think the NS3's may definitely be a bit quicker. Excellent reverse launching and sitting on the edge of the window too. Getting a bit
of footage which I'll put together when I get home in a couple weeks.
Clocked a 56.7kph with the NS3 3.2m today in 16? Knots slightly cross on shore. Was surprised by that - would've been expecting 48ish maybe with the
NS2's. So I think the NS3's may definitely be a bit quicker. Excellent reverse launching and sitting on the edge of the window too. Getting a bit
of footage which I'll put together when I get home in a couple weeks.
I think it was your Shoot The Breeze video you were cooking in as well with the 2.5. Love that vid. You pulled a killer power slide as well. I'm
addicted to your Nasa videos. Keep them coming John!
Cross Kites Sonic 3, 5m
Ozone Flow 2, 3, 4, 5m
Ace II 4, 5m
NAPKA-US24
4, 5, 6m ATB landsurfer. Custom longboard deck
Buggy: VTT Black Widow v2.0
Hmmm.... The NS3's speed record didn't last long! Got a 58kph with the 2.5 Ns2 in 15-20 knots on the claypan. Would have cracked 60 if I'd had the
NS3 in a 2.5. I'm seriously thinking of selling the Methods and Access to fund a full set of NS3's....
Hmmm.... The NS3's speed record didn't last long! Got a 58kph with the 2.5 Ns2 in 15-20 knots on the claypan. Would have cracked 60 if I'd had the NS3
in a 2.5. I'm seriously thinking of selling the Methods and Access to fund a full set of NS3's....
I have been seriously considering selling the peak for a couple of sizes in the ns3's that I'm lacking in my ns2 quiver.
Note to new people, It's more important to cover a wide wind range than have a variety of kites IMO.
Yeah, hey John... I had trouble hearing you and the bit about the "rumor" regarding the 3.2m. Mind commenting?
I emailed Borne-kite ... Its 140 euros and I'm assuming its the same color as the one in John's video (see first 10 seconds). Borne kite gave me a
price but not how to order as its not on their site. I'll have to wait for a response.
HQ Apha V 1.5
HQ Beamer V 2.0
HQ Beamer V 3.0
HQ Toxic V 4.0
Cross Sonic V 5.0
The 3.2m is a custom size and not listed. The color scheme is for a competition and a one-off. I hope to announce the details next month. Till then,
stay tuned! (Born kite is not running this comp but have very generously supplied the custom colored NS3).
Ah Jason, you spoiled the fun, I was going to let him suffer with uncertainty like I did the first time when it took somewhere around 5-6 weeks. :D
Seriously, best you can hope for is 3 weeks in my experience with 3 orders
Same for me. Paypal has a 45 day limit for goods not delivered and it didn't arrive until day 45. Mine was stuck in a post office in NJ for more than
5 weeks. The tracking info kept coming back with same (pretty useless) report for weeks. I really thought that it was lost or destroyed by the
USPS.
Ah Jason, you spoiled the fun, I was going to let him suffer with uncertainty like I did the first time when it took somewhere around 5-6 weeks. :D
Seriously, best you can hope for is 3 weeks in my experience with 3 orders
Same for me. Paypal has a 45 day limit for goods not delivered and it didn't arrive until day 45. Mine was stuck in a post office in NJ for more than
5 weeks. The tracking info kept coming back with same (pretty useless) report for weeks. I really thought that it was lost or destroyed by the
USPS.
Dude!! That is my story bang on! Just ask ssayre. Every week he would ask about my Nasa Star status. Every week I would say "still stuck in
Jersey".... LMAO.
By no means am I giving bad PR to Borne Kites!!!! I'm just saying don't expext them in the mailbox the next day. Our postal system is less than
stellar most times. Especially with customs!
Cross Kites Sonic 3, 5m
Ozone Flow 2, 3, 4, 5m
Ace II 4, 5m
NAPKA-US24
4, 5, 6m ATB landsurfer. Custom longboard deck
Buggy: VTT Black Widow v2.0
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