Been trying to rebuild my kite quiver for mostly landboarding in Kansas of all places... Just scored these 2 for what I think was a steal. Picked up the Speed 5 12m for 400 and the HQ Apex 4 11m for 100 and it was NOS and never been flown. Still had all the tags and manuals in it. Super stoked to get riding again. The 19m Psycho is a handful but I love it! These will be more reasonable I think. LOL! But however mother nature had other plans... Just like when I would buy a new mountain bike it would rain for a week straight, I get new kites and now there's no wind at all for the next week. Just sitting here staring out my office window staring at still leaves wishing for wind.