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[*] posted on 10-12-2020 at 10:10 AM
Buggy harness discussion


Am I the only person that doesn't like the PL Divine harness...? I find the side load to be very uncomfortable, especially on my legs. It is less if I don't use the legs straps, but ultimately I think I want a different harness.

What are some of you guys using...?

Is it possible my harness can be adjusted...?




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[*] posted on 10-12-2020 at 10:50 AM


Hi there stranger....hope to see this weekend ;) I have the Ozone Access. I like overall design although it does have a tendency to ride up on my waste and I have to adjust it periodically. It's really a snow kite harness, so might be better used in a standing postion.



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[*] posted on 10-18-2020 at 07:36 AM


I like it because it feels secure on my butt. However, my hips ALWAYS hurt because it does have a side load. I have not been able to reduce this no mater how tight.

I have a 2nd Divine and it feels the same. I have never used it under load though.

Since the Divine appears to me to be the only option. So I am interested in the results.

Facts if it helps: I am 6ft, 233 lbs, 34" inseam and use a Medium Divine harness.

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[*] posted on 10-18-2020 at 12:54 PM


I had an ozone access harness and it had a tendency to crowd things down under. I've been using a Divine for over 10 years now. Dakitez send me his large as a backup but it will need some taking up in the strap. On really high powered days on the lakebed, I've had bruises in some spots on my hips. The most comfort and security I've found is when the harness is not all the way tight, and the end of my extra long spreader bar tucks under the side rail. Locked and loaded.



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[*] posted on 10-18-2020 at 01:18 PM


I was given an old Dakine seat harness ( Hawaii storm ) many years ago by a good friend who could no longer dedicate time to buggying. I still use it today.....well not today because I'm not buggying, I'm at home. Although maybe I could wear it around the house it's that comfortable.
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[*] posted on 10-18-2020 at 02:36 PM


I use a Libre harnas with an Arminator spreader and that works fine.
But i must say that since i've been riding the crab the little tension on my legs as and hips that I had is now 0.0
So my recommendation is:
a crabbuggy.

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[*] posted on 10-19-2020 at 12:38 PM


I have a Divine and I get some minor pressure points on my hips from it also, but the tow point is so low that I don't mind the tradeoff. Philip makes custom harnesses for himself that he says don't have that problem, but they aren't adjustable at all once they are made. If you lose or gain 10 lbs here or there as us larger guys can do sometimes, the harness fit is thrown off. I am 5'11" 220lbs, but sometimes I am closer to 210 or 230 depending on the season. Somehow I fit into the same Small size Divine that I bought seven years ago when I was under 200 lbs.



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[*] posted on 10-19-2020 at 08:22 PM


My favorite harness is this custom one I made for myself.



It took me a few attempts to get it right, but the fit is dreamy. It slips on and off like a glove. It's so comfortable I forget I am wearing it. I wear it for 5 hours straight, wear it off the field, and get into the car with it still on because I literally forget I have it on. I wore this style of harnesses for 4 days of kiting this past week. I have zero chafing and zero bruising. The lateral load goes straight to your thighs, not your waist, so it doesn't try to spin around your waist. The only solid component is the swivel itself so there is nothing hard to dig into your flesh or bones. No padding is required because there is nothing to protect you from. There is so little fabric you don't sweat much under them. If they get wet they dry quickly because there is so little fabric to hold water. The load-bearing material is BlueWater 2 in. Tubular Webbing. It is wide enough to distribute the load and supple enough to conform to your body. The angles of the stitched features are adjusted to further match the contours of your body.

This design is not for everyone. Notice that there is zero adjustment. I make them custom to fit me. If you gain 20 pounds you will need to make a new one. You have to use good webbing and good thread. You have to know how to sew a strong joint and ultimately you have to trust your own workmanship. Yet the fit of this harness truly is divine.






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[*] posted on 10-20-2020 at 05:31 AM


Quote: Originally posted by pbc  
My favorite harness is this custom one I made for myself.



It took me a few attempts to get it right, but the fit is dreamy. It slips on and off like a glove. It's so comfortable I forget I am wearing it. I wear it for 5 hours straight, wear it off the field, and get into the car with it still on because I literally forget I have it on. I wore this style of harnesses for 4 days of kiting this past week. I have zero chafing and zero bruising. The lateral load goes straight to your thighs, not your waist, so it doesn't try to spin around your waist. The only solid component is the swivel itself so there is nothing hard to dig into your flesh or bones. No padding is required because there is nothing to protect you from. There is so little fabric you don't sweat much under them. If they get wet they dry quickly because there is so little fabric to hold water. The load-bearing material is BlueWater 2 in. Tubular Webbing. It is wide enough to distribute the load and supple enough to conform to your body. The angles of the stitched features are adjusted to further match the contours of your body.

This design is not for everyone. Notice that there is zero adjustment. I make them custom to fit me. If you gain 20 pounds you will need to make a new one. You have to use good webbing and good thread. You have to know how to sew a strong joint and ultimately you have to trust your own workmanship. Yet the fit of this harness truly is divine.




This is spectacular work! The non-adjusting waistline is a handy feature and may get you to say no to pie often enough to keep your shape the same over the years. :saint:




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[*] posted on 10-20-2020 at 06:18 PM


Yet once again I am astounded by Phillip's craftsmanship, and his simplification of design.
Well done!!!!
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[*] posted on 10-21-2020 at 01:19 AM


less is more..!!





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[*] posted on 10-21-2020 at 07:09 PM


Thanks, guys. The design was inspired by a climber's swiss seat. I figured if you can do it in one-inch webbing, two-inch webbing would be awesome if you can just get rid of the knots. It took a few tries but I finally realized the vision.

I haven't yet written up the build instructions, but that's in the plans. I want to share, but I'd also like to save the next guy a few iterations.




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[*] posted on 10-21-2020 at 07:40 PM




What is that hardware w/ swivel on it ? What are you clipping to the swivel..and using for quick release(QR)?
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[*] posted on 10-25-2020 at 08:24 PM


The swivel is a MarineNow 316 Stainless Steel Anchor Swivel Jaw - Eye Connector

I connect to it with this mini chickenloop:



In the next iteration, I'd like to make a custom welded pin, run the trim line through the eye of the pin and dispense with the additional loop. I think I'll need to use a welded stainless pin with an offset eye to handle the load.




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