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[*] posted on 1-18-2019 at 12:56 PM
higher wind launching/landing


hi all,

when i buggy i fly ozone access's in 6,8,10m sizes but find when trying to use anytime around the 20mph mark i have trouble with them.

when i set up and stake the brake lines then go to open kite in down wind position they will not settle on the ground and just want to roll around and try to tangle up in the bridle lines,if i try to set up to side of window they just want to roll or slide over to down wind postion again.

with landing if landed at side they will again roll or slide to down wind or if i land down wind there hard to get it to down and stay down.

once up flying im fine and need the power being on big foots and wet sand so just wondering how you all launch or land in higher winds?
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[*] posted on 1-18-2019 at 02:51 PM


My landing problems were lessened by the relaunch strap I've installed on each bar.
Set far enough up the steering lines to completely collapse the kite.

Launching is a challenge cause that's when I'm going to check all the lines if they'll just hold still.
Kite weights are my current work around.
These need to be a lb. each and buy not green or black.

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[*] posted on 1-18-2019 at 03:14 PM


The bean bags seem like a good idea - esp. if they have bright colors so I won't forget them. I've used a number things for weights. Lately I'm using some 2 lb weights I bought at a Play It Again Sports shop. Another option I used in the past was old hard drives from my computers. Before that - sand in plastic freezer bags. Sometimes I just use rocks found around on my flying fields or nearby.



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[*] posted on 1-18-2019 at 03:50 PM


Well the bags are easy to lose. I've lost both green and black. They disappear from only a couple of meters away? I need to be real careful of my field privileges so I try not to leave the mower guy anything to run over..
If he insists on hitting a weight, and it's full of beans he probably wouldn't notice. On the other hand if he ran over a hard drive I would never be suspected :P

When I first installed the landing straps I set them so the kite would sit up pretty when I hooked the strap over my rear wheel. Very nice at 10 mph.
At 15 plus though the kite might flip and launch backwards unexpectedly. Moving the strap further up the line leaders is untidy, but it does keep the kite flat. Even when the wind gets under the trailing edge it lifts a flat kite and goes back down.

No expert here, just starting to get that it's all in the details and that few percent of difference.




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[*] posted on 1-18-2019 at 05:23 PM


What version Access. If it's ReRide equipped, use the reride.

If not, pin them by the stall handle. Center of the window. Windspeed induces a continual stall and pins kite down. in a gust, it may roll over and reverse launch, flap a bit but should settle in once the gust passes. Assuming you're stake is solid.

If the winds shift, there's always the risk of a tangle but in reality, it's rare. The Access is a low AR kite and can come out of the rat's nest it appears to be in, pretty well 9 times out of 10. But it comes with practice.

Window edge launch is great if you have steady onshore but tends to be useless everywhere else in my experience.





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[*] posted on 1-18-2019 at 05:24 PM


[rquote=332566&tid=35969&author=Ed Cline I need to be real careful of my field privileges so I try not to leave the mower guy anything to run over..
If he insists on hitting a weight, and it's full of beans he probably wouldn't notice. On the other hand if he ran over a hard drive I would never be suspected :P
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I was always worried about exactly that and gave up on using hard drives thought they did work well.




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[*] posted on 1-18-2019 at 06:42 PM


Quote: Originally posted by Feyd  
What version Access. If it's ReRide equipped, use the reride.

If not, pin them by the stall handle. Center of the window. Windspeed induces a continual stall and pins kite down. in a gust, it may roll over and reverse launch, flap a bit but should settle in once the gust passes. Assuming you're stake is solid.

If the winds shift, there's always the risk of a tangle but in reality, it's rare. The Access is a low AR kite and can come out of the rat's nest it appears to be in, pretty well 9 times out of 10. But it comes with practice.

Window edge launch is great if you have steady onshore but tends to be useless everywhere else in my experience.



Chris nailed it. First thing I thought of working my way down the thread. A few years ago I bought several re-ride equipped Ozone kites from him, and they worked in these conditions exactly as advertised. Re-ride is great. If you don't have that (and that's what I'm thinking because you didn't bring it up) then it sounds as if Chris gave some good advice. Good luck!




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[*] posted on 1-19-2019 at 07:30 AM


thanks all for your help and advice and it seams weight kite down is the way to go.

also like the idea of extra strap to collapse kite more so i will give that a try.

my kites are xc6m and the 8 & 10 are xt so no re ride system.
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[*] posted on 1-19-2019 at 07:43 AM


if your at the beach and its blowing 20 the best thing to do is sand down the trailing edge to launch
its the simplest way..set it up step back stand her up and go...the material is all there and nothing to pick up
i don't ever really leave a dp kite staked down...ill go back up and sand it down till I'm ready to go back out again




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[*] posted on 1-19-2019 at 08:58 AM


Quote: Originally posted by abkayak  
if your at the beach and its blowing 20 the best thing to do is sand down the trailing edge to launch
its the simplest way..set it up step back stand her up and go...the material is all there and nothing to pick up
i don't ever really leave a dp kite staked down...ill go back up and sand it down till I'm ready to go back out again


Agreed that all things like this are so much easier on the beach or in the snow. This technique works even better with SS kites as there isn't anyplace for sand or snow to accumulate. When I used to snowkite in deep powder with Ozone kites I would cover the trailing edge with small mounds of snow and if it was windy enough I would further punch it down in a couple of places to sort of pin it in place. Once in the air I could often see some snow caught in the internal baffles until it shook loose and fell through the bottom vents.

Now.... fast forward to your first experience on a playa. Launching and landing DP kites is NOTHING like this. :o

I've read some of Chris' (fewd) write ups on the unique challenges on hardwater, a whole other medium!




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[*] posted on 1-19-2019 at 10:11 AM


I use freezer bags with sand, but I further wrap them with duct tape to make them into solid objects. If the bag is at all floppy, at some point you will snag one on a bridle and be left trying to control a kite that is 1-2 lbs. heavier on one side. You can get duct tape in various
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[*] posted on 1-19-2019 at 02:20 PM


Since you mentioned they are older access's you may want to check your line lengths, which is good to do annually anyway. If your front lines have stretched (which they will) you will find the kite will not be as well behaved sitting on the beach when staked. Remove lines from kite and bar, hook lines to immovable object (fence, garage, whatever) and stretch them out. If they're not all perfectly equal either adjust the lines or adjust the leaders on the bar to compensate. Keeping lines, bars, and bridle/collectors within factory specs will yield a much better kiting experience. You'll be surprised the difference it makes.
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[*] posted on 1-19-2019 at 09:15 PM


Quote: Originally posted by TEDWESLEY  
I use freezer bags with sand, but I further wrap them with duct tape to make them into solid objects. If the bag is at all floppy, at some point you will snag one on a bridle and be left trying to control a kite that is 1-2 lbs. heavier on one side. You can get duct tape in various
colors to help you find them at the end of the session.


I use those Costco plastic nut containers filled with dry sand, plenty of weight and the slide off the wingtip smooth for launching.

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[*] posted on 1-24-2019 at 08:21 AM


I use water softener bags. I cut them down and fill with a little small size gravel and duct tape it. They are the width of a bag and a few inches tall. easy and free and a couple can be tucked in a kite bag easily. I usually side launch with one tip weighted. may not be feasible with your kites. not sure
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[*] posted on 1-24-2019 at 11:33 AM


Some bottles of water also work. They roll off nice. Not the end of the world if you forget them or they get taken while you ride.


Side launch. Fold the tip so it throws the weight off and the weight does not touch bridles.

Getting your landing strap right should help it stick to the ground?

In real strong winds I will take the kite down one side of the window then either take it down on the back lines or go to safety.


If you have a spotter you can always use my famous move. Get them set to catch the kite at the windows edge and then simply crash it into them! :P





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[*] posted on 1-24-2019 at 01:40 PM


I'd recommend holding down the kite with some Whoopass. These work best when the cans haven't been open yet because all their attitude is still caught inside. :lol:

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[*] posted on 1-24-2019 at 03:17 PM


Quote: Originally posted by Bladerunner  
Some bottles of water also work. They roll off nice. Not the end of the world if you forget them or they get taken while you ride.


Side launch. Fold the tip so it throws the weight off and the weight does not touch bridles.




I kind of like the water bottle idea best among those posted here. I refill them several times after use anyway before trashing them. This give a new use.




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[*] posted on 1-25-2019 at 02:11 PM


Quote: Originally posted by Bladerunner  


If you have a spotter you can always use my famous move. Get them set to catch the kite at the windows edge and then simply crash it into them! :P



That wasn't an accident?!?!




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[*] posted on 1-25-2019 at 03:49 PM


Quote: Originally posted by BeamerBob  
Quote: Originally posted by Bladerunner  


If you have a spotter you can always use my famous move. Get them set to catch the kite at the windows edge and then simply crash it into them! :P



That wasn't an accident?!?!


Not with you, Sean or Ken 2. :saint:




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[*] posted on 1-25-2019 at 08:27 PM


water bottles do indeed work really well. a 16 fluid oz. bottle contents weigh... 16 oz. (1 pound) 32 oz. gatorade bottle? 2 pounds.
i loop a short length of cord around the bottle necks and put my ground stake through the loop for easy carrying.
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[*] posted on 1-26-2019 at 09:51 AM


Quote: Originally posted by Bladerunner  
Quote: Originally posted by BeamerBob  
Quote: Originally posted by Bladerunner  


If you have a spotter you can always use my famous move. Get them set to catch the kite at the windows edge and then simply crash it into them! :P



That wasn't an accident?!?!


Not with you, Sean or Ken 2. :saint:


You can crash a kite into me anytime. Like say first week of April?




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Try landing a 15m speed 5 in high winds. Woooweee. When im alone i just tie off to a post on the beach, park it at 3 or 9 and sprint like im stealing home base.



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[*] posted on 1-28-2019 at 02:25 PM


I get my speeds low and either take the CL off or pop the safety if it's windy. Dealing with the twists is better than getting dragged around tight spots.
At the airport I usually park so I can lean my kite against the car, wind pins it down. There are large plastic barriers there you can do the same thing with.




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[*] posted on 1-29-2019 at 12:14 PM


Quote: Originally posted by jeffnyc  
I get my speeds low and either take the CL off or pop the safety if it's windy. Dealing with the twists is better than getting dragged around tight spots.
At the airport I usually park so I can lean my kite against the car, wind pins it down. There are large plastic barriers there you can do the same thing with. [/rq6uote]

Good point.
A piece of rebar and pool noodle make a great kite catcher.
Not as fun as wrapping a buddy in ripstop but it works.




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[*] posted on 1-30-2019 at 06:09 AM


Foils can tail stall. Foils can flag out on a single line. Even a bigger foil can be stalled down, and then either walk out to the wing hand over hand on a flagged line or brought in, much like a self-rescue.

What do you do when things go wrong and you don't have your contraptions nearby?




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