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[*] posted on 8-20-2018 at 10:44 AM
How to combine line sets?


If I wanted to combine two of my line sets (A 18M and 25M Flexifoil lines), what is the best way of going about it that allows quick assembly / disassembly?

I have a local landboarding spot that has a great amount of space but surrounded by trees - Id like to get above their influence line as my blade seems to luff at the slightest crappy wind.




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[*] posted on 8-20-2018 at 11:06 AM


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Ummmm.... I'll go with.....

"What is the PKS Universal Kiteboarding Pigtail V2 Set?" for $800, Alex.

Set of 4 pigtails which should be enough to connect 2 quadline sets costs $14.95. You could probably cobble together a set yourself, but it may not be as clean.



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[*] posted on 8-20-2018 at 11:19 AM


Whelp that's a easy answer.

I suppose four pieces of 550 lb para-cord with even knots on both sides would work as well?




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[*] posted on 8-20-2018 at 11:52 AM


Are you talking about making 43m lines? Pigtails would make it a little easier to connect and disconnect, but the cleaner way would be to do a loop to loop connection:
https://www.netknots.com/fishing_knots/loop-to-loop-knot

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[*] posted on 8-20-2018 at 12:52 PM


Quote: Originally posted by jeffnyc  
Are you talking about making 43m lines? Pigtails would make it a little easier to connect and disconnect, but the cleaner way would be to do a loop to loop connection:
https://www.netknots.com/fishing_knots/loop-to-loop-knot


The thought of running 18m (the shorter length) of line through the loop on the 23m line... and then doing it 4 times, especially if there is any kind of ground wind. Crikey..... I prefer to save my supply of curse words for special occasions. ;)

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[*] posted on 8-20-2018 at 01:12 PM


Jeff,

Exactly what I'm talking about. - I want to landboard at Van Cortlandt park as its like 20 minutes away from me - But the last time I went it was miserable. The wind was completely ruined by the trees for my lines. The kite would pull hard then completely collapse. It made it impossible to balance on the board at all. Meanwhile some very large single line kites were doing fine - but way above the trees.

I think the pig tails are the way to go as I'll be stealing lines from my other kite / handle set up.

I think that Van Cortlandt park is really going to shine for snowkiting come winter time. Once the leaves fall from the tree's I bet the wind carries much better. I'm pumped to have my snowboard out more than once in three years , lol.




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[*] posted on 8-20-2018 at 01:18 PM


Van Cortlandt?!?!

Gadzooks.




I raced there!!!

That there is some Circle of Life sh|t.

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[*] posted on 8-20-2018 at 01:40 PM


Danger Will Robinson.
Lengthening your line will add a lot of power to your kite at the cost of control. Throw in gusty winds and I think you are setting up for trouble / lofting.
Jeff's method is what I use but only for 7m extensions. Have you ever flown using uber long lines? It changes things A LOT!




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[*] posted on 8-20-2018 at 02:32 PM


Thanks Bladerunner - was going to say the same thing - been super busy today :D



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[*] posted on 8-20-2018 at 05:07 PM


Flysurfer include these sweet easy line connectors but I see no need for then using Jeff'method.

http://shop.flysurfer.com/easy-line-connector.html

I still say this plan is pottential trouble. Total frustration at least.
You do know that the rile of thumb is you should have a minimum of double your line length obsticle free? Wind is messed up 7+ times the distance it is high downwind.





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[*] posted on 8-20-2018 at 06:07 PM


The park has about 1,000 ft x 1,000 ft rideable square surrounded by lets say 40 ft trees..... so 240 Ft of wind is messed up downwind. 150 ft lines will get me most of the distance away and certainly above the turbulent wind.
I know I will spend more time in the power of the wind window since my radius has increased by ~~ 75%. Worth a try though.




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[*] posted on 8-20-2018 at 09:17 PM


You won't really get clean wind there, but no reason not to give it a shot (hopefully you won't get kicked out of the park for riding around). I would think North or West would work best in the bulge section opposite the baseball diamond. Try it in very light wind, and watch out midday for thermals, particularly with that big kite of yours.
*edit - I meant try the park with the regular length lines - not with the extensions - just realized I wasn't clear at all. I'll give you a call later mr. hugs.

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Flysurfer include these sweet easy line connectors but I see no need for then using Jeff'method.

http://shop.flysurfer.com/easy-line-connector.html


Flysurfer doesn't use ELCs anymore - they switched to teeny tiny rings that they splice into the loop. Which does exactly the same thing a knot would do. I think the reasoning was the ELCs were a bit heavy and caused problems every once in a while.

One last easy/cheap way... take a short bit of leader line, fold it and figure 8 knot the end to form a loop with a knot. Loop/loop connect into the end of your line, knot end out. That knot becomes your quick and easy pigtail.




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[*] posted on 8-20-2018 at 09:29 PM


This has "kite in the tree tops" written all over it I'm afraid. It is funky to fly on long, long lines as people have been saying. I remember reading something, I believe from BigKid about him trying supremely long lines out on Ivanpah and nearly shortening his life. Maybe it was someone else, but as folks have been saying, this changes the flying characteristics a lot. I suspect the wind will still be janky up above the trees and if you let the kite go up over the trees that you'll hook a line in a tree top and bring the kite down into them. At least it will be forty feet in the air.

I'm all for experimentation, but this one seems a tad wonky to me. Just sayin...




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[*] posted on 8-21-2018 at 05:16 AM


no clean winds in the Bronx
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[*] posted on 8-22-2018 at 06:23 AM


UPDATE:

After flying the kite on the 25M lines at the park I decided to try adding the 18M lines to them.
Although the wind anywhere was not fast enough to really get going in the grass, it was clean enough to keep the kite afloat with some pull 90% of the time. The larger wind window is a ton of fun and it did not sacrifice that much control.

The only issue I has was my bootleg paracord splices tangling things up for me on the ground. Not fun untangling 43M of line. I also had to tune the length of my brake lines a bit, lengthening them to get the kite to fly with full power. but once I did that plenty of fun was had in ~~ 7-10 MPH winds.




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[*] posted on 8-22-2018 at 09:02 PM


Quote: Originally posted by Windstruck  
This has "kite in the tree tops" written all over it


You stand in a small forest clearing surrounded by tall trees.

What now...

Fly kite

You fly your kite...this is fun

What now...

Fly kite close to tree

Your kite stalls next to tree and is now stuck.

What now...

Climb tree

There are no branches within reach.

What now...

Pull on lines

You pull hard but fail to free your kite

What now...

Pull harder

RIP. You now own half a kite


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