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[*] posted on 1-3-2018 at 01:01 PM
Gin enters the monoskin world


With the 4, 6, 9, 12m Shaman






video: https://www.ginkites.com/videos/products/

Product info: https://www.ginkites.com/product/shaman-snowkite-freeride/

And if history is an indicator of the future... it's probably not coming to America anytime soon :(




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[*] posted on 1-3-2018 at 04:11 PM


Do you know if they killed off the Eskimo? It's not listed on their site any more. That would be a shame.

Has anyone flown a Shaman yet? How does it compare to the Peak or the Long Star?

Was out with my 14m today, but unfortunately less than no wind... beach was pretty in all it's stillness, though. Calm before the storm tonight.




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[*] posted on 1-3-2018 at 05:54 PM


I'm actually surprised they released a mono skin and wouldn't be surprised if the Eskimo line was dead. They've spent much more money on their tube kites and water side of the business than anything else and when Gin was closed/sold/bought they originally lost the rights to the Eskimo name but then re-obtained it. IMO, everything after the 3 series was a step backwards. That series only needed a minor tweak to the rear bridle or leaders and it was perfect. I do see they've incorporated some of the 4 series Eskimo in the Shaman. It looks super stable which is no surprise as Gin has always offered a solid canopy but we'll have to see what the Euros say. I have a contact in Germany who snow kites and has spent time demoing the new Gin gear as it comes out. I will ask if he's had any experience. I wish they had a US presence but they have all but abandoned this market. They were always an affordable, high performance alternative to Ozone for me but not any more given the import fees.



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[*] posted on 1-3-2018 at 07:57 PM


Ya, its too bad its so hard for some of these smaller companies to have a presence in the US. I think its good to have fresh minds and perspectives involved pushing the sport forward.

Some of the stuff I've been seeing with the Shaman looks like they made a pretty sweet kite. Take a look at this video:

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[*] posted on 1-3-2018 at 09:29 PM


Look at the way it turns, end on end, no folding of the canopy. I can tell instinctively that this is a good kite.
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[*] posted on 1-4-2018 at 10:20 AM


I saw that too - those turns looked more like a FB. In this video (turn on CC if you don't speak french) https://vimeo.com/243502533 he talks about the wingtips being closed cell so they don't collapse. Novel idea. Add a little of that to the LE and you have a single surface water kite (ala Monjet). Born also did something to fix the flapping (I forget whether it was battens or bridles), and Peak markets the flapping as a feature (kidding!).





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[*] posted on 1-4-2018 at 11:35 AM


Flysurfer has some competition :o No wing flapping is definitely an upgrade along with the design.

Wonder how the lift is on the Shaman compared to the Peak?
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[*] posted on 1-4-2018 at 11:43 AM


When I first started flying the peak I did not like the flapping. I think that is because I did not understand it. I Buggy with my peak on a regular basis. By regular, I mean, I live two miles from the beach and Buggy weekly. Once you learn to control the flapping. It can be a great asset. It allows the wing to distort their by spilling the air pressure underneath. Essentially dropping off a majority of the load. BUT. You have to learn to control the flapping. With the Shaman being able to better maintain its shape I am curious if it is able to unload as much. After a little research they are the same AR and very similar PA. So it should be very similar in performance to a Peak. It will be interesting to see what people have to say as more of these hit the market.



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[*] posted on 1-4-2018 at 12:59 PM


I could also see the flapping being useful for feedback the same way a sailboat sail luffs.

Seems like the trend is trying to build a single surface that acts like a double surface. Less material and work, so less expensive (so far) - makes a lot of sense if you can get close to the performance of a double surface.

I'm super happy with the kites I have now, but the whole single surface thing sure is interesting. Back when I was hang gliding, single surface were pretty much relegated to beginners. I don't know if that's still true now, but that certainly doesn't seem to be the case with these kites. I'm also looking forward to seeing regular joes riding these. The guys in the videos could fly a dumpster and make it look cool.




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[*] posted on 1-4-2018 at 01:39 PM



Quote: Originally posted by jeffnyc  
I could also see the flapping being useful for feedback the same way a sailboat sail luffs.

Seems like the trend is trying to build a single surface that acts like a double surface. Less material and work, so less expensive (so far) - makes a lot of sense if you can get close to the performance of a double surface.

I'm super happy with the kites I have now, but the whole single surface thing sure is interesting. Back when I was hang gliding, single surface were pretty much relegated to beginners. I don't know if that's still true now, but that certainly doesn't seem to be the case with these kites. I'm also looking forward to seeing regular joes riding these. The guys in the videos could fly a dumpster and make it look cool.


PKF members that know me and my postings know I'm one of the bedsheet chimps in the Monkey House. Where SS versus dual skin kites seem to shine in my book is primarily for three reasons. First, they are awesome (particularly in their large sizes) as low wind engines. They tend to get off the ground with minimal ground level wind and can be often be kept aloft during wind lulls with some creative flying more so than their size matched heavier cousins in the dual skin world. Second, they pack up smaller and lighter than size matched dual skin kites.

Third, and perhaps most importantly, they are just flat out way cooler than the more common dual skin kites. I mean, anybody can own and fly a dual skin kite, but it really takes someone special to own and fly SS. :moon:




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[*] posted on 1-4-2018 at 02:38 PM


lets stop this nonsense...
there is nothing inherently cool about a SS...i could go on but thats not like me
of course...always fly what you like, anything

that said...and me being mostly fb
i kinda never have my bar pulled in as much as that??? it was like the the whole ride ??
I'm not knocking anything here...jusayin, maybe I'm doing this all wrong??




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[*] posted on 1-4-2018 at 06:02 PM


I just think all kites matter.





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[*] posted on 1-4-2018 at 06:08 PM


Quote: Originally posted by abkayak  
lets stop this nonsense...
there is nothing inherently cool about a SS...


I knew you would take this bait! The truth of the matter is I'm flat out just not tough enough to fly FB like you.




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[*] posted on 1-5-2018 at 01:32 PM


Hey guys, remember when the Peaks came out and we were all speculating on what would come next?
Well here they are. The gauntlet was thrown and technology responds with new and different.




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[*] posted on 1-12-2018 at 02:03 AM


I probably should say something here ...... hmmmm... goog kite .... very good kite .....

Now , seriously , I am actually thinking about getting one or two for snowkiting trips , my friend call Gin and may be getting set instead of peaks . I will ask him what it was that help him with that decission .




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[*] posted on 2-11-2018 at 12:42 PM


So, some vids starting to trickle in... looks like a nice kite. Still no reviews that I've seen (at least not in english). Looking at the earlier designer video, he had designed a single surface paraglider and based it on that design.
https://vimeo.com/249509451

Snow:
https://vimeo.com/250159167

also:


Bug: (Gin distributor in Portugal)
https://vimeo.com/251995186

Water!: (This was around before, I think I missed it earlier)
https://vimeo.com/241235458
I wonder if the closed cell wingtips help with water relaunch... more than likely I'd assume you just don't want to drop it...

So no one on either side of the pond has pulled the trigger yet? :evil:




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[*] posted on 2-15-2018 at 10:26 AM


I may be able to help if someone decide to get one ...



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[*] posted on 3-7-2018 at 12:52 PM


2 more Shaman videos (nicely done)

https://vimeo.com/257915878

https://vimeo.com/250622285




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[*] posted on 3-7-2018 at 02:38 PM


That is about the best float I have seen with a SS kite.

Do you think it is the kite or rider that is special?




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[*] posted on 3-7-2018 at 08:18 PM


Quote: Originally posted by Bladerunner  
That is about the best float I have seen with a SS kite.

Do you think it is the kite or rider that is special?


I think it is neither but simply the conditions and riding down a slope where the wind is blowing up. The float is impressive but there are other times in the videos where they hit a lip or drop off a small ridge with zero float or pop.

To me it seems to be the most impressive monoskin but none seem to be able to touch a traditional twinskin foil for jumping.




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[*] posted on 3-7-2018 at 08:49 PM


Super nice stuff...

Love the synchronization @ 1:47 in first video.

The snow and terrain look heavenly. It's adding another dimension to snow kiting when you ascend and descend...and the ultimate -for me, not yet achieved. Good example of using kite to ascend a ridge.

Nothing dreamier than the gentle floats downhill.

One might also put the kite away to have just an untethered downhill.
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[*] posted on 3-7-2018 at 09:09 PM


6m Shaman with iced bar on its swift way to me!



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[*] posted on 3-7-2018 at 10:24 PM


Cool Tami - be great to hear what you think of it. What flavor did you get? :)

Is the shipping/taxes painful, or how did you deal with that?




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[*] posted on 3-7-2018 at 10:39 PM


The 6m is lime flavored but I thought kiwi sounds better. Haven't received it yet to find out about VAT or customs. Stay tuned.



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[*] posted on 3-8-2018 at 02:13 PM


So you bought directly from Gin? Please do let us know the final cost and post up a review when you can. I know I had some of the very first Yeti's to make it to America so glad to see someone getting a Shaman!!



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[*] posted on 3-8-2018 at 04:21 PM


I agree that the guy in the video was not floating like the Flysurfers and LEI under the same conditions. I was kind of wondering how much was his skill and how much was simply the perfect location. Without matching the float from other back country specific kites I wonder how popular SS will ever get?

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I did buy direct from Gin in Switzerland. They generously covered the shipping. And I can expect to pay VAT and Customs upon delivery. I could have paid with an international money transfer to them but my bank charges $45. I went with PayPal that charged $43 but offers me some protection. So, with iced bar and 6m it was $1220. I was tempted to get the whole quiver and save 10% but I let the fever pass and just bought the one kite. The Peak3 was not at all to my liking. That made me a bit more cautious. I think the Peak2s have more of a flapping issue than the original Peaks, but more depower as well. It seems the cells on the end of the Shaman might provide the perfect solution. The depower bar range on the Shaman is 55cm which is less than the Peak2 but more than the Peak. That seems acceptable for my short reach. And who doesn't like a new kite!



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[*] posted on 3-10-2018 at 02:08 PM


I purchased the Shaman online Tuesday before they opened. The kite was delivered Friday noon. How did they do that!
Not expecting the kite that soon I had it delivered to Utah while I am in Colorado. However I am going to pick up the kite on my way to Jackson Hole area for kite skiing next week. There were NO additional charges for the kite ref. customs or taxes.




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12m Shaman crossing from Switzerland to Italy (that looks fun!). He tests out the safety as well. Turn on the cc for english translations.




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[*] posted on 3-14-2018 at 11:21 AM


Whew, and just when I was wondering WHAT'S NEXT !!!



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