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[*] posted on 2-23-2018 at 01:40 PM


Quote: Originally posted by Randy  
Quote: Originally posted by Windstruck  
Quote: Originally posted by Ed Cline  
Hmmmm. Bottom Feeder alert.. Stay interested Steve, but don't do anything rash, until my kite budget recharges a little..:bigok:


Yeah..... no. Not happening. My LS2s and NS3s are going to grow right where they are planted thank you very much. :evil:


Gee - I just noticed you did not mention your Streetstar.......


Aren't we perceptive Randy! :lol:

I really haven't used it yet. I got it a while back and then sent it to Sean (ssayre) to test drive as he is proficient on his landboard. Steffen then let me know that he had upgraded the line with some cross bracing in the bridles and he offered to upgrade my bridling if I were to send it back to Germany. Sean actually sent it back to Steffen. It's been sitting there quite a while and is said to make its third journey across the Atlantic with the two StreetStars later this month. I hope to try the SS with skis on a local soccer field and maybe from a board at IBX (with plenty of plastic courage!).

Are you saying you want first dibs if I do decide to move it on down the kite line? :saint:




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Born-Kite NasaStar-3 (1.5m, 2.5m, 3.2m, 4.0m)

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[*] posted on 2-23-2018 at 02:23 PM


Very perceptive of you.....



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[*] posted on 2-23-2018 at 02:53 PM


Quote: Originally posted by Randy  
Very perceptive of you.....


:lol::lol::lol:

I do have to warn you, however, that if you are waiting for me to do this you may want to pack a lunch... :karate:




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[*] posted on 2-24-2018 at 02:52 PM


Getting closer!!!








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[*] posted on 2-24-2018 at 06:09 PM


Steve,

Posting more videos is not going to make them show up any quicker on your doorstep. Watched pot never boils an all....:P




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[*] posted on 3-2-2018 at 02:39 PM



And the hits just keep on comin'








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[*] posted on 3-15-2018 at 11:06 AM



Just sayin...


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Born-Kite NasaStar-3 (1.5m, 2.5m, 3.2m, 4.0m)

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[*] posted on 3-15-2018 at 11:27 AM


Get those in the air!

And don't use a sharp knife to open the box... I keep forgetting this rule every month on my 5lb bags of coffee...




Kite: Speed3 15 + 21 | Phantom I 12m | Charger 10m | Eskimo III 14.5 + IV 8.5 | NRG 12m | Flux 5m | Bullet 4.5 + 2.5 | Blurr 3.5 + 2.5 | Rage 2.5 | Beamer 1.8 | Sensei III 3m
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[*] posted on 3-15-2018 at 08:06 PM


So, needless to say, at long last I got my shipment of kites from Germany today. Yes, the box was opened with extreme care. The RSs are very nicely constructed as I believe are all of Steffen's kites. I've only taken one out of their bags so far to inspect it and snap a picture. They will get a proper flying in a couple of weeks at IBX2018.

The leading edge of the RSs have a half loop of that plastic sort of wire that you use with a hedge trimmer about every six inches or so. I've got a picture below that hopefully shows that. Can't wait to get these beauties up in the air!!!


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Kites:
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Born-Kite LongStar-2 (3.5m)
Born-Kite NasaStar-3 (1.5m, 2.5m, 3.2m, 4.0m)

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[*] posted on 3-16-2018 at 05:24 AM


:thumbup::thumbup::thumbup:



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[*] posted on 3-22-2018 at 09:11 AM


I love the look of the new kite, but I wonder if the lack of ribs is a good or a bad thing. With ribs, sure, it creates more drag, but it also creates laminar air flow. I wonder if this kite struggles to keep a line with the nose pointed parallel to the ground, or if it is no more issue than with regular closed/open cell foils. I have noticed that sometimes a high aspect kite can slip through the window like a snake through water and just fall out of the air if it doesn't have enough forward speed to keep laminar flow across the wing.



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[*] posted on 3-22-2018 at 10:13 AM


Quote: Originally posted by Demoknight  
I love the look of the new kite, but I wonder if the lack of ribs is a good or a bad thing. With ribs, sure, it creates more drag, but it also creates laminar air flow. I wonder if this kite struggles to keep a line with the nose pointed parallel to the ground, or if it is no more issue than with regular closed/open cell foils. I have noticed that sometimes a high aspect kite can slip through the window like a snake through water and just fall out of the air if it doesn't have enough forward speed to keep laminar flow across the wing.


That is a most interesting idea! I know Steffen did this on purpose and makes some noise about the lack of ribs being purpose-built. I've personally never flown a high aspect kite so this is completely virgin territory for me. Hopefully the conditions at IBX will be good for some back to back in the buggy comparisons of similarly sized (5.0 vs 5.5 and 9.0 vs 9.5m) RSs and LS2s. I'll write about what I find out.




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Born-Kite NasaStar-3 (1.5m, 2.5m, 3.2m, 4.0m)

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[*] posted on 3-22-2018 at 11:17 AM


Quote: Originally posted by Windstruck  
Quote: Originally posted by Demoknight  
I love the look of the new kite, but I wonder if the lack of ribs is a good or a bad thing. With ribs, sure, it creates more drag, but it also creates laminar air flow. I wonder if this kite struggles to keep a line with the nose pointed parallel to the ground, or if it is no more issue than with regular closed/open cell foils. I have noticed that sometimes a high aspect kite can slip through the window like a snake through water and just fall out of the air if it doesn't have enough forward speed to keep laminar flow across the wing.


That is a most interesting idea! I know Steffen did this on purpose and makes some noise about the lack of ribs being purpose-built. I've personally never flown a high aspect kite so this is completely virgin territory for me. Hopefully the conditions at IBX will be good for some back to back in the buggy comparisons of similarly sized (5.0 vs 5.5 and 9.0 vs 9.5m) RSs and LS2s. I'll write about what I find out.


It is something I have seen with my Speed 3 in light winds. If there isn't enough air moving over it, sometimes it can slip down. It looks like if you have a tie on a hanger that isn't even and it slips off the hanger.




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[*] posted on 3-29-2018 at 01:32 PM


The RaceStars are now on the Born-Kite website.

http://www.venturi-power.de/index.php?cat=c86_Race-Star-Race...

Kite-only coming in about 200 Euros more than comparable LS2 sizes.




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Born-Kite LongStar-2 (3.5m)
Born-Kite NasaStar-3 (1.5m, 2.5m, 3.2m, 4.0m)

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[*] posted on 4-5-2018 at 04:19 AM


I have just pre-ordered an 11m Race Star, unfortunately currently not in stock at the moment, the delivery time should be two weeks.

On the BORN KITE page are these videos in the article description:
















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[*] posted on 4-7-2018 at 03:47 PM


I had several long sessions with the RSs on the Ivanpah dry lake bed this week during IBX 2018. These are beautifully designed kites, purpose built for racing around the sky, pulling really hard and going to the front edge of wind window, and performing admirably in upwind propulsion. I don't have any experience with other similarly dimensioned 6:1 AR kites, but can compare them to their cousins the LS2s. Compared to the LS2s, the 5.0m RS feels like you have more kite in the air than the 5.5m LS2 (same for the 9.0m RS versus 9.5m LS2) and the RSs have a lot more personality, and that personality is aggressive. I'd say Steffen scored very high marks in designing a highly responsive, aggressive, single skin depower kite.

Choice between similarly sized LS2s and RSs likely come down to personal preference. To give it a vehicular comparison, I'd liken the RS kites to sports cars and the LS2 kites to SUVs. They handle very differently and in the case of the RSs take keeping close attention to. I am able to fly my LS2s in most conditions without really looking at them, or maybe just sort of see them out of the corner of my eye, but I found I had to keep quite close continuous attention to the RSs.

Speaking only for myself, I prefer the LS2s over the RSs. I'm a long straight park-and-ride buggy pilot and the LS2s suit me just right. My style is to park a kite and cruise for several kilometers. Friends of mine I watched on the playa this week were constantly looping, diving, and redirecting their kites. I suspect that such people would vastly prefer the responsiveness of the RSs over the comparative slow motion action of the LS2s. If anything, flying the RSs this week made me appreciate my LS2s even more. That takes nothing from the RSs; they are purpose built. For my purposes the LS2s are just right.

For anyone looking for a single skin powerful high performance kite I'd suggest taking a strong look at the RSs.




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Born-Kite LongStar-2 (3.5m)
Born-Kite NasaStar-3 (1.5m, 2.5m, 3.2m, 4.0m)

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[*] posted on 4-7-2018 at 03:53 PM


Nice review - any pics of you in action? Did you compare yourself to any similar race kites? Are other folks there trying them as well?
Oh yeah - sounds like you're having a good time out there!




Kite: Speed3 15 + 21 | Phantom I 12m | Charger 10m | Eskimo III 14.5 + IV 8.5 | NRG 12m | Flux 5m | Bullet 4.5 + 2.5 | Blurr 3.5 + 2.5 | Rage 2.5 | Beamer 1.8 | Sensei III 3m
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[*] posted on 4-7-2018 at 04:22 PM


Quote: Originally posted by jeffnyc  
Nice review - any pics of you in action? Did you compare yourself to any similar race kites? Are other folks there trying them as well?
Oh yeah - sounds like you're having a good time out there!


No pics per say but I did capture some helmet cam videos that will make it into an IBX video I plan to put together.




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[*] posted on 4-8-2018 at 11:03 AM


Thanks for the review.

I totally get what you describe about folks like you and I who like to " park and ride " . I am far more happy with my kite being predictable over being aggressive. I am not sure what percentage of the market we are but we exist!

We need to get this kite into a whipper looper's hands and get a review from one of them.

It sounds like Stephan is making big strides in performance. It will hopefully start to get him some more attention. A tough job when he is trying to compete with the name brands trying to get attention.




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[*] posted on 5-8-2018 at 08:38 PM


Cool new video of the RSs. Nice music!





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Born-Kite NasaStar-3 (1.5m, 2.5m, 3.2m, 4.0m)

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[*] posted on 6-14-2018 at 03:52 PM




LEIs? We don't need no stinkin LEIs! :saint:




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Born-Kite NasaStar-3 (1.5m, 2.5m, 3.2m, 4.0m)

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[*] posted on 7-24-2018 at 04:55 PM


I got my 9.0 and 11.0m RaceStars in hand! Beauties. I unpacked the 11m to check it out and snapped a quick pic. The kite is endless, measuring over 25 feet long with fully 40 ribs in the nose to form the air scoop. The ribs are supported with stout flexible nylon "wires" akin to thick material used in trimmers. The bridling is of a new and much improved material than found in the NS3s or LS2s. Should Steffen upgrade his LS2s to LS3s with this new bridle material I will likely upgrade my 3.5, 5.0, and 7.5m LongStars, so stay tuned for a fire sale when that happens!


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Born-Kite LongStar-2 (3.5m)
Born-Kite NasaStar-3 (1.5m, 2.5m, 3.2m, 4.0m)

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[*] posted on 7-25-2018 at 08:37 PM


Do it Steve.

And not just because I am a hot coal waiting to start up your fire sale by snatching up that 3.5. I mean how on earth can you put up with those sticky old bridles knowing there is a better option. ;);)




Kites: 2.5m Profoil , Quadrifoil XL kitesurfer, NPW 5 Danger.
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[*] posted on 7-25-2018 at 09:22 PM


I think windstrucks second hobby is burning $100 bills with how often he has fire sales. ;)

You may not be the person to ask, being you primarily buggy, but are the race stars very lifty? It seems like most single skins are lacking in lift, with the exception of the peak 2 and 3, but those aren't exactly what it would call a lifty kite. You say they are highly responsive and aggressive which leads me to believe that they could take you up if you wanted.




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[*] posted on 7-26-2018 at 03:49 AM


Quote: Originally posted by Snake  

... are the race stars very lifty? It seems like most single skins are lacking in lift, with the exception of the peak 2 and 3, but those aren't exactly what it would call a lifty kite. You say they are highly responsive and aggressive which leads me to believe that they could take you up if you wanted.


Snake - hard to say since I do everything I can to avoid getting lifted these days. Ever since my freak gasoline fight accident that has been Job One around here. That being said, the RaceStars have a 6:1 AR that I believe is relevant in the lift department. I suspect the RSs would be more lifty than P2s, P3s, or LS2s but that is pure speculation on my part. They can be made to move quite quickly in the sky and I bet it would be possible to slingshot fairly readily if that was your intention. The issue of course is only partly "lift". The ability to gracefully "lower" is equally (I'd argue far more) important. I simply have insufficient time under the RSs at this point to speculate on that. I'd sure hate to be up in the air and have one of these guys collapse a bit, for example, something they might be more prone to do than a double skin kite with a lot more natural structure.

Maybe you could buy a few, jump a bit, and get back with us. :evil:




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Born-Kite LongStar-2 (3.5m)
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Quote: Originally posted by Bladerunner  
Do it Steve.

And not just because I am a hot coal waiting to start up your fire sale by snatching up that 3.5. I mean how on earth can you put up with those sticky old bridles knowing there is a better option. ;);)


Ken, I know you're itchin for that 3.5. :karate:

I do so love my Born kites, but their bridling can be a pain in the seat meat at times and an upgrade in that area would be welcome. They are completely flight (read worship) worthy but I'd take bridling less prone to tangling if I could get it. :D




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[*] posted on 7-26-2018 at 05:28 AM


Backup kite.
Notable defects: Green. Left handed.







Rage1.8. Born Stars 2.5,4,5.5,10.,12.5. DFO 7m. Peak2 6,9. Peak3 4,12. (space reserved) Charger12. PL bug.
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[*] posted on 7-26-2018 at 06:12 AM


Unacceptable, send it back.


Quite a collection of SS you've amassed there. What size is the greenie?




Kite: Speed3 15 + 21 | Phantom I 12m | Charger 10m | Eskimo III 14.5 + IV 8.5 | NRG 12m | Flux 5m | Bullet 4.5 + 2.5 | Blurr 3.5 + 2.5 | Rage 2.5 | Beamer 1.8 | Sensei III 3m
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[*] posted on 7-26-2018 at 07:51 AM


Quote: Originally posted by jeffnyc  
Unacceptable, send it back.


Quite a collection of SS you've amassed there. What size is the greenie?


The greenie is a 3.5m Born-Kite LongStar-2. Drool worthy.




Kites:
Born-Kite RaceStar (5.0m, 7.0m, 9.0m, 11.0m)
Born-Kite LongStar-2 (3.5m)
Born-Kite NasaStar-3 (1.5m, 2.5m, 3.2m, 4.0m)

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Hybrid - nose & tail PL BF+ with wide rear axle; midsection VTT rail & seat kit; two sets of Sysmic rims (BigFoots and 6-ply trailer tires); BigKid's AQR

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[*] posted on 8-10-2018 at 08:41 AM


...seen a nice video with RaceStar on YouTube.

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