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[*] posted on 11-19-2017 at 04:34 PM
62 cm kite control bar


Need a bar in good shape min 62 cm between line leaders, longer is better.
A naked bar, or with leaders, and a hole in the middle.
Trying to turn a larger nasa, whew! ;)




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[*] posted on 11-19-2017 at 06:00 PM


I know what you are up against trying to turn those beasts. Barges in the air they are. I do have an extra bar and will need to check and see what length it is. One thing to keep in mind is that a very long bar is a bit of a pain in the seat meat when sitting in a buggy, particularly when making your turn and switching from side to side.



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[*] posted on 11-20-2017 at 03:19 AM


Thanks Steve, hope it's the one I need.

Steve is the original owner of my NASA stars 5.5, 10, 12.5, Peak2 6m. Plus several odd bits to facilitate the flying of these beauties.
He has a magic closet from which he can produce a slightly used anything.
Recent DNA tests reveal he has 18% North Pole ethnicity. :P




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[*] posted on 11-20-2017 at 05:31 PM


I don't have hands on experience with the big NPW kites. Still I have a strong feeling that long handles or pulley handles and a strop would be the way to go?



Kites: 2.5m Profoil , 4.9m QuadrifoilXL kitesurfer, 9m Flexi Blade II, NPW 5 Danger.
Flysurfer : 19m Speed 2 SA, 7m Pulse
Peter Lynn :18m Phantom, 15m Synergy, 10m Synergy, 1200 Farc, 460 Sarc, 130 Tarc, 5m Peel, 4.2m , 6.4, 8.5 C-Quads

Rides: Flexi / P.L. Frankin'Buggy , Shaped + straight skiis, sand skis, Coyote blades. Core 95 ATB. RKB R2 ATB .

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[*] posted on 11-20-2017 at 05:48 PM


Biggest Star I've flown is 7 meters, so I can't say for sure about a 10 or 12.5 either. However, the Nasa Stars are bridled for flying on a bar, not handles. With changing the bridles they can fly on handles, and I have include a picture from Born on how to do it. I tried it and didn't particularly like it on my NS2 5.5 M. I felt like there was too little control for turning so I went back to a bar. There are other ways to do it, which might work better but would take some experimenting.





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[*] posted on 11-20-2017 at 05:52 PM


Here is another diagram for 4 line bridling of the Star. Note that in either method, you don't make new bridles, just take apart the existing cluster of bridles and then cluster them as shown for handles. I don't recall trying this approach. It might work better but you end up making a z-bridle if I understand the picture, which would require some experimenting.



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I think a search on z-bridles and Nasa Star may provide some more detail. I pretty much forgot about it all because I was satisfied with how the 5.5 turned on a bar.




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[*] posted on 11-20-2017 at 10:01 PM


So... my extra bar will not work. Sorry Ed. The Z-bridling is a way to go with the B-K NASA kites and is how I have my small NS3 kites strung. While I have not flown the Big Ladies via z-bridling my gut would not lead me in that direction.



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Born-Kite LongStar-2 (3.5m, 5.5m, 7.5m, 9.5m, 12.5m);
Born-Kite NASA Star-3 (1.5m, 2.5m, 3.2m, 4.0m; z-bridled for handle flying)

Buggy:
Peter Lynn Bigfoot+ modified with VTT rail & seat kit (a seriously great performance upgrade), two sets of Sysmic rims (one set with BigFoot slicks for the "beach" of the Great Salt Lake and the other with 6-ply trailer tires for the Ivanpah playa), and BigKidKites AQR (because it keeps me in the bug and in my marriage)

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[*] posted on 11-21-2017 at 02:27 AM


Thanks for the advice guys. The bar will have to be a 60cm from fun with kites and HQ.
If I go bigger than 12.5 there may be need of a alternate control system.

The 45cm Flys up to and including 5,5 no problemo, The 7 to 10 flys well on one of Steve's old bars at 53 cm leader to leader. The 12.5 has its brides split so I'll copycat the Dutch Flying Object bridle adjusters to get it moving ahead as its preference.

Thanks for looking gentlemen, no bars were found but we turned up some good advice.
I didn't mean to start another NPW thread. I looked them over before I decided to commit.
Funny how my experience differs so much from the mainstream opinion, maybe I'll try a left handed bar? Thanks to responders above.









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[*] posted on 11-21-2017 at 06:43 AM


Nothing wrong with more NPW threads.....:D



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[*] posted on 11-21-2017 at 03:55 PM


Quote: Originally posted by Ed Cline  

Funny how my experience differs so much from the mainstream opinion, maybe I'll try a left handed bar? Thanks to responders above.







I probably screwed it up but when I converted my bar to a left hand one my kite flew right when I turned left. Fortunately it was an easy fix. I just had to flip the bar over. ;) ;)




Kites: 2.5m Profoil , 4.9m QuadrifoilXL kitesurfer, 9m Flexi Blade II, NPW 5 Danger.
Flysurfer : 19m Speed 2 SA, 7m Pulse
Peter Lynn :18m Phantom, 15m Synergy, 10m Synergy, 1200 Farc, 460 Sarc, 130 Tarc, 5m Peel, 4.2m , 6.4, 8.5 C-Quads

Rides: Flexi / P.L. Frankin'Buggy , Shaped + straight skiis, sand skis, Coyote blades. Core 95 ATB. RKB R2 ATB .

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