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shocked.gif posted on 5-31-2017 at 05:41 PM
I'm just gonna leave this here.


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[*] posted on 5-31-2017 at 05:43 PM


Charger 3 spy shot?!



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[*] posted on 6-1-2017 at 08:24 AM


Maybe. Perhaps MJ will chime in.




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[*] posted on 6-1-2017 at 08:39 AM


It has wings!



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[*] posted on 6-1-2017 at 09:05 AM


Long live the ARC !!!!

Why be normal!

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[*] posted on 6-1-2017 at 10:32 AM


Very well put Feyd



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[*] posted on 6-1-2017 at 10:18 PM


Even has the American Flag color scheme going on :D



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[*] posted on 6-2-2017 at 01:06 AM


No way, that is the Dutch color scheme!

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[*] posted on 6-2-2017 at 06:02 AM


or is the French flag color scheme;)



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[*] posted on 6-8-2017 at 06:43 AM


It's only the French flag if you crash it...:o :lol:

Yes, it is the new Charger, stats are mostly the same as the CH2.
The biggest change is in the fabric which is lighter and smoother overall (don't yet know the exact weights per sq M)
And newer compact sticks / better endcaps.

Don't know much more than this yet, sorry.

But...
I am lucky enough to take the 12m on holiday, so I'll be riding it the next 2 weeks hehehe..




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[*] posted on 6-8-2017 at 10:13 PM


This makes me happy :D

I really thought that development on the twinskin was over. Nice to see that isn't the case.

I wonder if prices on the Ch2 will come down :cool:

Although I've moved mostly to LEI's, I don't think I'll ever sell my Venom II 13 and Charger's. As a matter of fact, maybe I'll have to fly them this weekend for old times sake.

Looking forward to the review MJ!




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[*] posted on 6-29-2017 at 03:34 AM


Proof that I need to read this forum more often. Thanks, Chris.



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[*] posted on 7-5-2017 at 10:04 AM


Well if that is the production pattern, it looks great! I was never partial to the actual design of the Charger II and Phantom II design, although I did like the colors they came in.



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[*] posted on 10-10-2017 at 06:33 AM


Yup, that's the new design, it comes in lime too. (only the two colours)

Have not had as much time on the pre-production models as I would have wanted, broken bones and such preventing me. :(

I can say it flies exactly like the Ch2, the fabric is lighter and more airtight but that's something you'll only notice flying the CH2 and Ch3 back to back for days.

We've/I've put it online today on both peterlynnkiteboarding.com and peterlynn.com, unfortunately we didn't have the chance yet to do a proper video and photoshoot so we'll do some updates in the coming period.




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[*] posted on 10-10-2017 at 09:24 AM


Heh, good timing - I was curious as to what was happening with v3 and looked at the PL sites last night. Wake up this morning, and there's my answer :) (You all can thank me for willing this into existence)

Since the fabric (and I assume the kite) is lighter, does it translate into better light wind performance? Would an 18 or 22 be usable as a summer kite along these lines (I think 7-13 knots):

[youtube]https://youtu.be/RX0uzKHA0Yk[/youtube]

I have no experience on any of the light wind kites, so I'm just going by stuff I've read online, but I *think* the consensus was the Chargers are too heavy to be good in super light wind. Just wondering if there has been any appreciable real world difference with the new ones.




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[*] posted on 10-10-2017 at 11:54 AM


Think in terms of LEI performance. Arcs are not known for their light wind performance but shaving weight on any kite is a benefit IMO. Especially if flying in punchy winds or winds with dead spots. The lighter fabric will allow slower sink rate in the air and better coasting through lulls. I can only imagine that light wind performance will be improved but in regards to the say the 18m and up, the bar pressure can take a toll after a while in light winds. I still think it is more of a kite for a Clydesdale sized rider than a true "light wind" kite.



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[*] posted on 10-10-2017 at 12:03 PM


Thanks Chris! Pretty much what I thought, just wondering if that assessment had changed with the new version.

Will hopefully see you at some point this winter for some snow-kite arc lessons!




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[*] posted on 10-10-2017 at 05:03 PM


:)

My question is how does the lighter fabric affect durability? Arcs are pretty durable in general and I wonder if there is a trade off.




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[*] posted on 10-10-2017 at 11:59 PM


Nail on the head Chris, big kites for big riders (or boatlike things like the kite tender) not so much low winds, Arc's have never been low wind kites.

Our local Arc guru Rudolf has been testing the new fabric for the last three years almost and so far it seems there's no trade off in durability.
Mind you, the dude rarely crashes his kite.




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[*] posted on 10-11-2017 at 09:33 AM


Quote:
Mind you, the dude rarely crashes his kite.


Wish I could say the same... just ordered some sail tape... I hope my kite can outlive my teething pains.

New kites look great. Glad PL is still interested in them.





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[*] posted on 10-11-2017 at 05:18 PM


I find that arcs need a certian amount of wind to create enough internal pressure to keep firm.

Once it is filled and firm I can keep running in some amazing low wind with my 18m Pantom I . I swear I have kept moving in total lulls just on apparent wind and pump action a few times? On fast snow / ice. Even through some turns when I keep good tension on the lines. Lose tension and I am screwed.

I agree that the light material won't help with lowering the bottom end but have a feeling it will be a benefit when trying to squeeze out apparent wind?




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