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Making kite skating lemonade in the middle of winter!


We've had a long spell of Indian Summer in the Mountain West and the snow has melted to the point where my regular snowkiting spots are now too thin and patchy to use. Winter deals you lemons.... make lemonade!

In preparation for IBX in a couple of weeks on the Ivanpah playa I wanted to get some time in on my new all-terrain skates. Turns out the local Parks and Rec team plowed the two artificial turf fields in town for folks to play on. I poached one today for a fun short-line session. Wind was pretty shifty and easily doubling in strength from time to time. I pulled out my 10m NS3 on 7m lines because the spot was too small for longer lines.

I learned a couple of things on this second real day of kite skating. First, choose a big space and leave plenty of room for your downturns. You'll get to see what I mean if you hang out on the video until the bonus footage at the back. ;)

Second, flying a large FB kite like an NS3 in shifty janky winds on skates doesn't leave a lot of room for error. Doh! I look forward to more sessions with my DP kites.

Third thing I learned is that if you get going too fast and are quickly running out of space it is easy to just sort of slide out and coast to a stop on your seat meat. You're already leaned out against the kite so its just a matter of leaning more and more until you just sit down softly on your hip. The kite is lifting you so you come down very softly!

This is going to be a heck of a lot of fun on the playa and on larger natural grass sports fields. Very easy cross over from kite skiing if you already know how to hockey skate. If you're a figure skater I figure you've got other issues. :karate:

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Peter Lynn Bigfoot+ modified with VTT rail & seat kit (a seriously great performance upgrade), two sets of Sysmic rims (one set with BigFoot slicks for the "beach" of the Great Salt Lake and the other with 6-ply trailer tires for the Ivanpah playa), and BigKidKites AQR (because it keeps me in the bug and in my marriage)

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[*] posted on 3-3-2016 at 06:54 AM


nice man, i think its "hit the brakes " not "hit the (snow)bank"

fun stuff man , playa will be fun and fast!

best advice ----->hillbilly pants to save your hips!

keep rocking it!




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Quote: Originally posted by PHREERIDER  
nice man, i think its "hit the brakes " not "hit the (snow)bank"

fun stuff man , playa will be fun and fast!

best advice ----->hillbilly pants to save your hips!

keep rocking it!


Good call on the pants - may want to invest in some gear like that before heading down to Ivanpah.

I was cracking up when I smacked into the snowbank! It wasn't painful at all. I really think I'm going to prefer DP for skates. Running short lines with a huge 10m NS3 gave me know effective way of bleeding off power. The way the wind was blowing it got stronger and stronger as I reached that end of the field. That coupled with a pretty sizable gust had me going way too fast all of a sudden. This was a far superior outcome to last summer when I slammed my buggy into a soccer goal post and then got dragged down an embankment.




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Peter Lynn Bigfoot+ modified with VTT rail & seat kit (a seriously great performance upgrade), two sets of Sysmic rims (one set with BigFoot slicks for the "beach" of the Great Salt Lake and the other with 6-ply trailer tires for the Ivanpah playa), and BigKidKites AQR (because it keeps me in the bug and in my marriage)

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[*] posted on 3-3-2016 at 09:11 AM


Super cool Steve. Looks like a blast. I've been slacking this week. I need to get out there.
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[*] posted on 3-3-2016 at 09:27 AM


Quote: Originally posted by ssayre  
Super cool Steve. Looks like a blast. I've been slacking this week. I need to get out there.


You of all people would appreciate my experience using short lines with NSs. I know you use 5m lines a lot, I think exclusively hand held, isn't that right? I had bought a 7m three line set from Steffen last year. I wanted to hook into my harness so I jury rigged a line (white line in the video) between the spot in the center of the rigging when the lines come together above the bar down through the bar and clipping into my leash strap. This way if I pulled the rip cord on the chicken loop I would flag out on the center line. I tied into the loop that went through that funny little wave-shaped plastic slider Steffen puts there. One problem I had was that I had used a somewhat heavy clip at the other end of my safety line and it would tug on the loop drawing line up through it over time. The way this little wave-shaped thingy is constructed it holds the line from going out the other way so it would sort of synch up the middle line after a while. I think I'll do away with the little wave-shaped thing and get a lighter clasp.

This was the first time I'd ever flown my Stars with a setup like this. As you would appreciate I found those short lines sort of funky. Much more likely to experience backflying and backstalling if the wind wasn't blowing hard for the kite size. Also, the wind window is vastly diminished making it much harder to maneuver the kite through the window in attempts to depower the pull. With 10m of FB love in the air with that diminished window I was pretty much at the mercy of the wind when it picked up. Not shown was the other two times I crashed into that same snowbank! Moving forward I want a bigger area to work in so I can use longer lines.




Kites:
Born-Kite LongStar-2 (3.5m, 5.5m, 7.5m, 9.5m, 12.5m);
Born-Kite NASA Star-3 (1.5m, 2.5m, 3.2m, 4.0m; z-bridled for handle flying)

Buggy:
Peter Lynn Bigfoot+ modified with VTT rail & seat kit (a seriously great performance upgrade), two sets of Sysmic rims (one set with BigFoot slicks for the "beach" of the Great Salt Lake and the other with 6-ply trailer tires for the Ivanpah playa), and BigKidKites AQR (because it keeps me in the bug and in my marriage)

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(seat harness) or hillbilly pants will literally be saving your azz. dude DO NOT leave home without them or a brutal mistake awaits fo sho!



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[*] posted on 3-3-2016 at 09:34 AM


Quote: Originally posted by PHREERIDER  
(seat harness) or hillbilly pants will literally be saving your azz. dude DO NOT leave home without them or a brutal mistake awaits fo sho!


I've got a seat harness (PL Divine) that I used for buggying. If I don't get myself lined up with hillbilly pants before IBX I'll use the Divine for kite skating on the playa. I was using my snowkiting harness for this skate adventure (Ozone SB). I fully realize that I was skating on a turf field and not the rock hard coarse sandpaper of the playa! Thanks for the heads up; my wife wants me to come home with all the seat meat I go down there with! :lol:




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Buggy:
Peter Lynn Bigfoot+ modified with VTT rail & seat kit (a seriously great performance upgrade), two sets of Sysmic rims (one set with BigFoot slicks for the "beach" of the Great Salt Lake and the other with 6-ply trailer tires for the Ivanpah playa), and BigKidKites AQR (because it keeps me in the bug and in my marriage)

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[*] posted on 3-3-2016 at 10:33 AM


Quote: Originally posted by Windstruck  
Quote: Originally posted by ssayre  
Super cool Steve. Looks like a blast. I've been slacking this week. I need to get out there.


You of all people would appreciate my experience using short lines with NSs. I know you use 5m lines a lot, I think exclusively hand held, isn't that right? I had bought a 7m three line set from Steffen last year. I wanted to hook into my harness so I jury rigged a line (white line in the video) between the spot in the center of the rigging when the lines come together above the bar down through the bar and clipping into my leash strap. This way if I pulled the rip cord on the chicken loop I would flag out on the center line. I tied into the loop that went through that funny little wave-shaped plastic slider Steffen puts there. One problem I had was that I had used a somewhat heavy clip at the other end of my safety line and it would tug on the loop drawing line up through it over time. The way this little wave-shaped thingy is constructed it holds the line from going out the other way so it would sort of synch up the middle line after a while. I think I'll do away with the little wave-shaped thing and get a lighter clasp.

This was the first time I'd ever flown my Stars with a setup like this. As you would appreciate I found those short lines sort of funky. Much more likely to experience backflying and backstalling if the wind wasn't blowing hard for the kite size. Also, the wind window is vastly diminished making it much harder to maneuver the kite through the window in attempts to depower the pull. With 10m of FB love in the air with that diminished window I was pretty much at the mercy of the wind when it picked up. Not shown was the other two times I crashed into that same snowbank! Moving forward I want a bigger area to work in so I can use longer lines.


you lost me a little on the set up, post a picture if you get a chance. Yes I fly on short line unhooked with the stars when I'm on asphalt. I've been meaning to just switch lines with my normal bar so I can hook in with short lines and have the same d loop / third line capability when qr hit.

I give you credit for using the 10m on short line. I generally don't like using short line and stars in anything under 5.5m winds. winds below that can make for frustrating stalls and unforgiving surges. (unless very clean)

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[*] posted on 3-3-2016 at 12:04 PM


Quote: Originally posted by ssayre  


you lost me a little on the set up, post a picture if you get a chance.



Here ya go:


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This is essentially the B-K street kite set up with some modifications. I used a heavier bar with a slot in the middle to pass the safety line and an after-market trapeze loop (Ozone I think).




Kites:
Born-Kite LongStar-2 (3.5m, 5.5m, 7.5m, 9.5m, 12.5m);
Born-Kite NASA Star-3 (1.5m, 2.5m, 3.2m, 4.0m; z-bridled for handle flying)

Buggy:
Peter Lynn Bigfoot+ modified with VTT rail & seat kit (a seriously great performance upgrade), two sets of Sysmic rims (one set with BigFoot slicks for the "beach" of the Great Salt Lake and the other with 6-ply trailer tires for the Ivanpah playa), and BigKidKites AQR (because it keeps me in the bug and in my marriage)

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[*] posted on 3-3-2016 at 12:09 PM


Quote: Originally posted by PHREERIDER  
(seat harness) or hillbilly pants will literally be saving your azz. dude DO NOT leave home without them or a brutal mistake awaits fo sho!


Just bought some "hillbilly" pants online! Got these with some over-shorts that hockey players use when they need to change their colors. The idea with the over-shorts is that the playa is a rough abrasive surface and if (read when) I go down in a high speed slide I want to trash the shorts not the body armor. That's the theory anyway. The hillbilly pants are designed for folks that play competitive street hockey. I was originally heading the direction of standard hockey pants but the customer service guy at Total Hockey steered me in this direction instead. Locked and loaded!

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Kites:
Born-Kite LongStar-2 (3.5m, 5.5m, 7.5m, 9.5m, 12.5m);
Born-Kite NASA Star-3 (1.5m, 2.5m, 3.2m, 4.0m; z-bridled for handle flying)

Buggy:
Peter Lynn Bigfoot+ modified with VTT rail & seat kit (a seriously great performance upgrade), two sets of Sysmic rims (one set with BigFoot slicks for the "beach" of the Great Salt Lake and the other with 6-ply trailer tires for the Ivanpah playa), and BigKidKites AQR (because it keeps me in the bug and in my marriage)

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[*] posted on 3-3-2016 at 12:26 PM


I don't think it matters but it looks like you have the assembly with the knot sleeves backwards. Usually the knot sleeves with loops is where you attach the lines not the bar leaders.
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[*] posted on 3-3-2016 at 12:28 PM


In other words that whole central assembly looks flipped. Again, by looking at it I don't think effect anything.
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[*] posted on 3-3-2016 at 12:53 PM


Quote: Originally posted by ssayre  
In other words that whole central assembly looks flipped. Again, by looking at it I don't think effect anything.


Dear 55,

You're right (but then you knew that already)! Thanks buddy. I just switched it around and things do line up better. I doubt I'll run other lines since I have my 20m lines on my adjustable width bar, but if I ever want to run straight off of the bridles this will work much better. :thumbup::thumbup::thumbup:

This is sort of akin to proof-reading your own work. Far easier to see simple mistakes in other's work than your own. I always give my important written work to somebody else for final proofing for exactly this same reason.




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Buggy:
Peter Lynn Bigfoot+ modified with VTT rail & seat kit (a seriously great performance upgrade), two sets of Sysmic rims (one set with BigFoot slicks for the "beach" of the Great Salt Lake and the other with 6-ply trailer tires for the Ivanpah playa), and BigKidKites AQR (because it keeps me in the bug and in my marriage)

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[*] posted on 3-3-2016 at 04:20 PM


Way to go!

You are set and ready for some high speeds at IBX!

Next to my Hillbilly :moon: pads I enjoy my GPS on the dry lake. Nice to know what speed you went. Keeps you humble since 30 feels like 50!




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[*] posted on 3-3-2016 at 04:39 PM


You were nailing it, Steve! Right up to the bank! That looked like fun, good stuff. :thumbup: Good call on the pads, that playa looks rough.



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[*] posted on 3-3-2016 at 06:35 PM


Quote: Originally posted by Bladerunner  
I enjoy my GPS on the dry lake.


I've played with various iPhone apps that could possibly do this. In my mind I know I'm going 60+! :karate:

Honestly, I not a huge speed demon in my buggy or likely on skates. I will get some pretty good speed going on skis since I am very confident in that medium having been a former ski racer. Van Nguyen and I were talking last night and he was telling me about how much my BigFoot tires would slide on the playa. I told him that was just fine by me. I won't have a big enough kite in the air to make that an issue. If I start to get pulled sideways I'll pull out a smaller kite, not look for wheels to hold me in place so I can go faster. When I was buggying on the playa last November I didn't feel any sideways give at all .... and I was going at least 60! :lol:




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Born-Kite LongStar-2 (3.5m, 5.5m, 7.5m, 9.5m, 12.5m);
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Buggy:
Peter Lynn Bigfoot+ modified with VTT rail & seat kit (a seriously great performance upgrade), two sets of Sysmic rims (one set with BigFoot slicks for the "beach" of the Great Salt Lake and the other with 6-ply trailer tires for the Ivanpah playa), and BigKidKites AQR (because it keeps me in the bug and in my marriage)

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[*] posted on 3-3-2016 at 07:28 PM


Looks fun....and the Staple Singers:thumbup::thumbup:



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