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[*] posted on 1-24-2016 at 06:34 PM
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ok here we go. gonna add this to a LF foil fish.



if i can get 1/2 season and some usable experience and insight on this whole thing, we'll see! it'll be phun!




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[*] posted on 1-24-2016 at 07:32 PM


Kind of strange that the board is $337 and the foil is $862. :rolleyes:

Are you going to taper any of the leading edges?

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[*] posted on 1-24-2016 at 08:14 PM


yes on the wings topside will be tapered a bit, gonna go flat, seems good starting point and dress the remaining edges down as far as i can.

to do in AL not that much more... after glass and hardware around $100-125. carbon or aramide can add 3x as much .

a la carte parts are ready to go from different companies for foil. LF fish seems all around good as any having the straps already there just will make getting started easier, hopefully!

yeah steal on the fish $!




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[*] posted on 1-24-2016 at 08:56 PM


Oak? Poly or paint?
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[*] posted on 1-24-2016 at 09:00 PM


Looks sweet! :thumbup:
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[*] posted on 1-25-2016 at 05:52 AM


oak with S glass resin layup, may vacuum bag if i decide to part it out. one solid piece seems quick and easy. not in a rush ..yet.



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[*] posted on 1-25-2016 at 06:19 AM


Its phantastic!



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[*] posted on 1-25-2016 at 07:35 AM


thanks guys !

if i get 20-30hours on it , it will have served its purpose




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[*] posted on 1-25-2016 at 08:04 AM


I'm a little slow I guess. What did you buy? What did you make? Your going to do fiberglass work on the wood? You bought a board that's made for a foil? Thanks!



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[*] posted on 1-25-2016 at 09:01 AM


Quote: Originally posted by BeamerBob  
I'm a little slow I guess. What did you buy? What did you make? Your going to do fiberglass work on the wood? You bought a board that's made for a foil? Thanks!


I understood him to mean he bought the LF Foil Fish board (left) and home-brewed a version of its companion foil (right).



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[*] posted on 1-25-2016 at 09:02 AM


buying the board by LF , a FOIL FISH , it is a directional with a foil plate ready bottom. the recent price drop makes it an easy choice 337$!

i am making the foil , pic above, an oak base that i will do in S-glass fiberglass.

in general a taste test of how much am i really gonna ride this thing, plus i just like making junk like this




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[*] posted on 1-25-2016 at 09:07 AM


thanks SAM,
and too. if i really like it (after learning) i may do one in AL or by foil parts a la carte.

a carbon foil is a distant maybe, i would really have to want a faster race like set up , thats if i'm really diggin' it.




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[*] posted on 1-25-2016 at 09:13 AM


where do you get your glass and resin? I have a few projects in mind.
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[*] posted on 1-25-2016 at 09:45 AM


west marine is local here with limited shelf stuff and could use what they have, but looks like i am gonna go with TAP online , specific glass choices and #314 resin and 109 catalyst



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[*] posted on 1-25-2016 at 12:35 PM


I've ridden AirChair foils behind the boat and as sensitive as they were for me, I don't see how they work for a stand on board. If you get a few things not quite right I imagine it will be like a boat anchor hanging off the board. I hope it works! Chalk one up for the little guy.



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[*] posted on 1-25-2016 at 04:46 PM


ok Bob welcome to the phuture it contains phreedom on a phoil

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=62k3D6Jb69s&list=PLrbSqo...

but now i can't even embbed a player and i intend on making the foil myself.

the basic slow foils are easy to make and ride. the fast efficent foils a little bit more tricky.




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[*] posted on 1-25-2016 at 05:26 PM


it looks like magic to me. I think the foils have come a long way from what I rode.






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[*] posted on 1-25-2016 at 06:44 PM


Are you just learning to Phoil?


I was talking to a fellow the other day who was telling me how the Okanagon crew had a " trainer ? foil that they passed around. I guess it was shorter / smaller? Sped up the whole crews progression.


If you are learning and building you may want to consider making a smaller one as well?





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[*] posted on 1-25-2016 at 08:35 PM


yes BR , a short mast version is a consideration. the mast is at 900mm now and maybe, make a shorty mast to feel it out with at first. 600/650mm. but my gut is to go with the platform i am to ride . in this DIY version, making the mast a bit shorter might extend its lifespan as well so 750-800mm may be final. we'll see??, once i really dig into the shaping before glassing i will know... esp. once i get the board with it.

and in general, the drag alone will make it a bit clumsy and slow. this is mostly so i can learn and go out in decent wind with a strapped "heavy board" not a squirrelly light one which would just beat me up! in my directional sessions, when i went out in solid air they where SOOO much better than the sketchy light air sessions. it means about 20 hours of good TT wind for me to learn, then fit the foil sessions in the marginal TT/ and good ATB wind... which is a considerable amount of my riding. so if i like this, i will lessen ATB riding for more foil time.




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[*] posted on 1-25-2016 at 08:53 PM


Go for it!

Short mast would be ok if you have a flat water spot...

I just got one of those setups used...




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[*] posted on 1-26-2016 at 06:10 AM


right on KK! plan on going with LF parts and pieces as long as this DIY gets me thru the spring summer for a trial go.





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[*] posted on 1-26-2016 at 08:50 AM


Sounds like you are on top of the game.
The way the guy described it is like what you expect. Learning foil handling was easier with the small one but as soon as each person was up and going they went straight to a more efficient foil.

Kami makes a good point. These guys all learned on a lake. You may NEED a longer foil to deal with your surf?




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[*] posted on 1-26-2016 at 09:50 AM


surf/chop action is a factor 6-8 foot rollers and mega chop can be very rough here, so i want the height eventually , but for now i want just enough stupid in the wings so it not stupid fast! hopefully as build comes together, and some fly time comes out of it, by the end of summer ready to buy a tricked out foil.. the fish board actually my prove fun by itself!



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[*] posted on 1-26-2016 at 09:06 PM


Lake chop here is so gnarly that getting out to deep enough water to start the foil takes me 20 minutes, on a light wind day!

The board is pretty tough looking, not SB construction at all. Supposed to be an ok low wind board too.

Plenty of people with the LF foil who haven't gone to a "better" foil...




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[*] posted on 2-3-2016 at 04:39 PM


LF FOIL FISH on the way!...want be too long now! board looks fun by itself, definitely ride it ASAP



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[*] posted on 2-10-2016 at 05:07 AM


Mate, the new Slingshot HoverGlide looks like a better foil, and is the same price! But I got mine cheap so it's moot...

My advice:

At least wear a helmet.
> I landed on the board or something after bailing, and cut my head :barf:

Find a spot with decently deep water, where you can just jump in.
> Our spot, you have to fight out through waist- to chest-deep water for about 600m before you can try riding the board without grounding. I did 90 minutes on day one: maybe 10 of which was attempting to ride :(

(If you have the LF board and straps) set the straps to the widest holes, and the longest they'll go ie. the holes at the end of the straps.
> Apparently, the board is well-balanced with the straps centered, but you want to be able to bail easily, especially the rear foot. Being able to slide the back foot forward in the strap as you waterstart helps, and is easier than riding with the rear foot out of and in front the strap, as people have suggested is a good way to learn.

First sessions, you're going to want to learn to body drag if it's shallow, and then ride the board with the foil in water, concentrating on keeping the nose down.
> See above. It comes up so easy and feels so weird, even if you're used to directionals!

Stick to the foil until you've got a good grasp on it. Going back and to a different board is too weird.

Never pooh-stance.




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[*] posted on 2-10-2016 at 06:34 AM


got the fish yesterday, nice board for 300$! definitely will ride ASAP!

i did set the straps as wide as possible , like you mentioned.

the build is coming along for the foil, i set the mast at 750 and working through the cut back.

i have added carbon weave as well to the build . really digging the build ATM .

now that i have the board i can set the to plate holes and move along.

the ride will be fun and new , the straps to me seem a hindrance in general but i 'll get it sorted and see if buying a production foil is in the phuture

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[*] posted on 2-10-2016 at 07:13 AM


Hey phree,
I made a foil and used G10 for the wings. I really suggest you try that. It's not hard at all to sand the G10. I used a liquid force mast and made a fuselage out of 3/4 x 3/4 solid aluminum square stock. It was not difficult at all.
I could walk you through the steps if you wanted.

My only regrets:
I think I should hade made a lower aspect ratio wing set up. Really I should have simply made two sets of wing because it's not hard to to. Should have made a low aspect set to learn on.
Also I should have made a second longer fuselage to compliment the lower aspect wings. Would have had more stability to learn on also.


Ps. I ride only strapless surfboard, but tried first time strapless foil, and it was a disaster! I ended up using one strap for front foot SUPER loose. So loose that all it does is hold the board while you get ready to start.


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[*] posted on 2-10-2016 at 07:47 AM


Yah, I had the rear strap work loose and it was a PITA. Love my strapless surfboard, hate it on the foil...

How did you do the G10?




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[*] posted on 2-10-2016 at 07:57 AM


hey thanks, i actually have the AL stock from other projects and considered using same and may still, the G-10 is still a consideration some old windsurf fins i have keep reminding me too.

the mock-up shape base in oak is mostly for design, lines and holes in general, and to finish it out ---> carbon/S-glass has been the choice up til now. since i just got the board now i'm ready to order build junk, so your post is timely reminder to all options. funny the AL i have is 1"X 1/2 and is already marked to be cut for fuselage !

the whole carbon/glass build and vacuum bag thing is an element i want to learn/practice more for several other projects so by next week i will have an order ready. might as well add G-10 in there too.

i have the same thoughts about the multiple sets as well. nice tidy set you have there . i set my fuselage at 750mm i felt the length would make lift more gradual without being sensitive. its a thought no practice yet! we 'll see.

definitely interested in the #'s you have . thanks!





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