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[*] posted on 10-12-2015 at 02:37 AM
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Hello
I have a question for Randy
Are your sup kites made of tarpolin and how is thé relaunch

Moco kite holds better in thé air with less wind toward NASA ? Or is their another reason due to water use

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=hTz0INZeG-M

Foot ruder looks good
Supers could use a light kite as safety and upstream tool


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[*] posted on 10-12-2015 at 05:29 AM


Hey Alf,

I made some of the SUP kites (the blue ones) out of Dollar Tree plastic tarp. Its actualy a very light material, but strong and waterproof. The blue tarps you can get at Home Depot and elsewhere are probably too heavy. The big yellow and green Moko was made of water resistant ripstop and its very light. Even regular ripstop works ok, as long is it doesn't get in the water too much. If there is a lot of wind, they will dry out quickly.

I was experimenting with the different types of kites to figure out which was best. The NPW's have better power and a bigger wind window. The problem with the NPW's was the large number of bridles could get tangled, esp. if you use them with quads. Quads are a lot better for keeping kites flying than dual.

The Strata and Moko designs were tried since they have a lot fewer bridles, and are lighter which helps them to keep flying. Pull was ok.

For sailing across the wind its almost certain you will lose ground and go downwind, though when I was sailing on the river, the current actually help negate some of that. On the lake I would always tend to lose ground, but not too much. WIth an SUP it doesn't matter much since you can paddle back to where you want to go. On the river I usually paddled downsteam (against the wind) then let the wind bring me back upstream, though I did use the rudder and sail across the wind as well.

The simplest and most tangle free kite was the Strata. It could be folded up and make a good safety, upstream type kite.

The rudder is the key to sailing across the wind. You can sail a bit (15 degrees?) off dead downwind without it, but that's about it. Having a rudder extends the trip a lot. Kite SUP is slow, but its probably about the same as paddling an SUP, faster in a gust.





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[*] posted on 10-20-2015 at 05:57 AM


Thé NASA with innertubes didnt fly yesterday on water . have to try with more wind but i m afraid innertubes breaks the wing profile


My windsurf i bought to paddle and sail , blue velvet 203 litres :
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[*] posted on 12-7-2015 at 05:52 AM


Alternative to NASA, to hold from thé frame like a kitewing

http://www.emmakites.com/9ft-bright-single-line-delta-kites_...


http://www.emmakites.com/115ft-king-crown-delta-kite_p379.ht...

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[*] posted on 12-7-2015 at 06:31 AM


I've thought of that to, but never tried it.

Alf - sent you a u2u.




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[*] posted on 2-8-2016 at 05:24 AM


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bg5qD8FjHEw


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a treck kite i would sit
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[*] posted on 2-12-2016 at 05:31 AM


Esay to Handle. It will work on sup for sure

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=wVSw83EpgdE


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[*] posted on 3-16-2016 at 12:09 PM


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=906z18Cl5Io
It seems to work very well. But you cant paddle and kite in seconds like with nasas and simple skins
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[*] posted on 5-3-2016 at 06:45 AM
short bridles


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[*] posted on 5-3-2016 at 06:46 AM


Ok
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[*] posted on 6-16-2016 at 02:39 AM


It makes me confident to sup my pansh Adam with short lines


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[*] posted on 11-22-2016 at 12:03 PM
Hydra 300 + SUP


Got a chance to try SUP +Kite in or short stay in Florida over the weekend. The spot doesn't provide a good side shore launch but I made a go of it with a Hydra 300 kite I picked up on ebay and my kite winder. Water is shallow, and fairly warm. The kite got completely drenched as I fumbled along and got it tangled up before launching it, but once I got it in the air everything fell into place. I think I could launch from shore at several spot at my local lakes now using the winder, since a big beach isn't needed (and it has to be easier than launching from the water).



Since this is the kite review section - I'd have to say the Hydra 300 can certainly get plenty wet and still fly a critical factor in this type of application. As for the Pacific Sky Power winder - it works as advertised though launching a kite from the water is never easy. Relaunching was greatly facilitated by the winder.




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[*] posted on 11-23-2016 at 01:12 PM


I don't understand if you have a third ( brake) line or not
Where did you get the winder ? I never kited with lines on sup , it seems hard to master

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[*] posted on 11-23-2016 at 02:11 PM


This winder is only 2 line. I think he makes a 3 or 4 line but I'm not sure. I disconnected the 3rd line.



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[*] posted on 11-23-2016 at 03:06 PM


the winder idea goes back to the beginning of kitesurfing and has been around for a very long time



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[*] posted on 11-24-2016 at 02:02 PM


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wtLUxT-N3NU&t=3s
My next bar. Easy to do with a wishbone part
I would use it on short lines with sup or fat bike
It allows to place the kite exactly where you want to


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[*] posted on 11-24-2016 at 09:41 PM


Quote: Originally posted by alf  
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wtLUxT-N3NU&t=3s
My next bar. Easy to do with a wishbone part
I would use it on short lines with sup or fat bike
It allows to place the kite exactly where you want to


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oCOj7n2w2VE


So, After watching the video I'm not really seeing the point in this set up? Looks like you're severely limiting the turning ability of the kite and taking away the ability to loop it? :puzzled:
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[*] posted on 11-25-2016 at 12:51 AM


It s for short lines use on sup the point is to avoid kite from falling into water
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[*] posted on 7-13-2017 at 04:02 AM


https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=tbxOjT_zfq0


https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Fdm-LbWaJC4

The delta kite is great but no upwind under lines it bents. Works great as kitewing to
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[*] posted on 7-13-2017 at 04:55 AM


Maybe try longer lines or a bigger delta.



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[*] posted on 7-14-2017 at 01:11 PM


It works extremly well backwind with lines
Great help and so easy to use
Dont know why kayakers dont seem to use such kites:o
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[*] posted on 7-14-2017 at 01:23 PM


The way you launched it with 2 lines was very clever. I should try that.



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[*] posted on 7-15-2017 at 09:14 AM


i would like to launch my pansh adam to with 4 lines i hav to imitate abseiling technic

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1EOu8xW00yE

also nasawing single line he give plans
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pa3mjXyWus8

it works as described with 2 lines on grass but my nasa turns left since i had to take it back from a tree
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[*] posted on 7-15-2017 at 05:52 PM


I have one of his winders and it is useful in some locations, but is limited to 2 lines. He had a 4 line winder for a while, but seems to have given that up.





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[*] posted on 7-21-2017 at 12:54 PM


https://fr.aliexpress.com/item/Outdoor-Fun-Sports-Rainbow-Co...
I hop i will do sidewind too adding a brake line

Maybe i can built a winder bar with that. Would be 2 lines
https://fr.aliexpress.com/premium/winder-kite.html?SearchTex...
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