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[*] posted on 5-11-2017 at 11:47 AM


Depending on the wind the ghost landing will work. In lower winds the kite will dump into a pile and you can hustle out
and weight it down. The chicken loop has to be staked for this to work. I feel that landing it like an FB and staking the brake lines then running down and weighting the kite to keep it from skirting up works more of the time. When I'm
going towards the kite I keep one side of the lines running through my hand so the kite will flag out if something happens.




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[*] posted on 5-11-2017 at 04:44 PM


That's been working well for me Ted... thanks for the advice... yesterday I took 2 stuff sacks and loaded them with sand... at the end of the day I was able to land right on top of the same sandbags ... worked really well.



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[*] posted on 6-25-2017 at 06:22 AM



Well...I finally got out to the beach yesterday and got to fly my shiny new 12m Peak3. Also making my first official post on the Peak thread. I've got one word for yesterday's session. AMAZING. Winds started out at 2-3mph. Then picked up in the evening to 6-7mph and this kite came alive! By the end of the session winds were 10-12mph. I'm not going to do an in depth review. But I will post some Peak Porn for all who are interested.




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[*] posted on 6-25-2017 at 06:43 AM


Quote: Originally posted by Blitzhound  

Well...I finally got out to the beach yesterday and got to fly my shiny new 12m Peak3. Also making my first official post on the Peak thread. I've got one word for yesterday's session. AMAZING. Winds started out at 2-3mph. Then picked up in the evening to 6-7mph and this kite came alive! By the end of the session winds were 10-12mph. I'm not going to do an in depth review. But I will post some Peak Porn for all who are interested.


Downturns! Way to go Blitz. First downturn that kite had ever seen, so in essence you got it's maiden voyage of flying it right. Just wait until you have a proper clean onshore so you can park and ride that Big Lady. You'll notice that there is a stopper ball at the top of the line that the bar slides up and down on. It can be slid down to lock the bar in place for long runs. It made my morning to read that you had such a positive experience with that beauty. Go get some! :thumbup::thumbup:




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[*] posted on 6-25-2017 at 10:11 AM


Windstruck said:
You'll notice that there is a stopper ball at the top of the line that the bar slides up and down on. It can be slid down to lock the bar in place for long runs.



I had my kite out in perfect onshore park and ride winds, using the stopper ball and put the kite away without moving the stopper ball out. Next time out I hot launched the kite and it took me a while to figure out why the kite was not depowering. I was fine but lesson learned to move the stopper ball back.




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[*] posted on 6-25-2017 at 11:04 AM


I'm not psychic...but I see more peaks in my future. That stopper ball worked great. I actually used it as a depower restriction. So the kite wouldn't trim all the way out. Early in the session the winds were very light. I found if you let the bar out to far the kite would clutter and not build speed. But if you keep just enough tension on the bar to keep it from fluttering it would accelerate much faster. But...if you let it flutter the pull drops to almost nothing. Very nice.



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[*] posted on 6-26-2017 at 02:29 PM


its kind of boring. the peak haters haven't been busting our balls lately. :D

Maybe someone should start a new thread in case they are ignoring this one.
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[*] posted on 6-26-2017 at 04:05 PM


The trim straps and full range of depower bar throw of the Peak3s are too stretched out for my reach. I had to resell my recently acquired 6m from Steve.
Is that close enough to hate talk?




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[*] posted on 6-26-2017 at 05:33 PM


Quote: Originally posted by utahtami  
The trim straps and full range of depower bar throw of the Peak3s are too stretched out for my reach. I had to resell my recently acquired 6m from Steve.
Is that close enough to hate talk?


Woh Nellie! Sorry to hear that Tami. Being so "vertically challenged" must really suck sometimes. What am I saying - most of the time. :evil:

You're the only kiter I know that goes through equipment faster than me. You couldn't just shorten up the doubled up line? You can untie it and retie it shorter.

All kidding aside, I'm sorry it didn't work out for you. Memory serves a certain 15m Ozone Summit suffered a similar fate...




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[*] posted on 6-26-2017 at 08:28 PM


Quote: Originally posted by utahtami  
The trim straps and full range of depower bar throw of the Peak3s are too stretched out for my reach. I had to resell my recently acquired 6m from Steve.
Is that close enough to hate talk?


Absolutely. Did you have the same trouble with peak 2 or was it better or different? I've only flown the real peak. Peak 1 ;)
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[*] posted on 6-26-2017 at 11:26 PM


Sean, I agree the original Peak is awesome. It's simplicity is a thing of beauty. I have the 6m (orange) and the 9m. Peak2s, including the 12m, aren't a reach issue. The 4m has been dissed on a lot but I love it. It IS twitchy but a blast to fly.
Steve, about the height thing: ouch. I don't need the orderly, homogeneous quiver thing you have going, must be a tall person thing;)




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[*] posted on 6-27-2017 at 02:18 AM


Quote: Originally posted by utahtami  

Steve, about the height thing: ouch. I don't need the orderly, homogeneous quiver thing you have going, must be a tall person thing;)


Nothin but love for ya Tami, you know that! Hard to argue with a woman who can (and always does) ride twice as fast as me on any given day. ;)

BTW, height has nothing to do with my homogeneous quiver. That's the OCD talkin all the way. :evil:




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[*] posted on 6-27-2017 at 06:06 AM


The peak 1 6m is still the peak that I like the most. The light bar and shorter stroke work well for me, and the lack of trim function has not
been a problem. The twitchy action of the 4m can be cured by trimming in slightly for a reduced angle of attack. A case of the trim being very useful. As the 4m comes, the AOA is too high for high speed flight and a high speed stall makes the kite very sensitive to steering.
An inch or two of trim and steering improves in a major way. Most flight problems on the peaks come from keeping the bar pulled in too
far and choking the kite. In light wind the kite may be stalling. Letting the bar out until just before the flapping (luffing in sailing terms)
gives the most power.




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[*] posted on 6-27-2017 at 08:06 AM


Yeah. I agree with your bit of knowledge there on the 4m. It does apply to most Peaks, that you can have a much better experience if you make sure the mixer is in trim as well as the brake lines/front lines. We also put long line extensions on the smaller sizes which made especially the 4m more civilized.

That - I think - , is also a part of why I really like and recommend trying a Peak 1 on a FS bar type Infinity 2 and up. It really shines and puts a big smile on a Peak devoted's face, the characteristics improve somewhat, you can power/depower much easier while turning which means alot in my experience. I even think it made less noise (flutter), but that might be wishfull thinking - or not... And you get proper trim adjustment on the fly, makes life easier ( for like taking a breather without landing the kite).

You are not the only one though, Ted, who likes the original bar for being light and simple. I just hated the hole in the bar bite on the depow rope.




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[*] posted on 6-27-2017 at 08:18 AM


We did put 15 meter extensions on a P1 6m w/45cm inf.2 bar the other day. It became almost docile and self-flying, we had a big laugh it was really strange to fly, just still touching on the recognisable.



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[*] posted on 6-28-2017 at 01:26 PM


Had an early morning minus tide today. Got a solid couple of hours in under the Big Blue bed sheet. Winds varied from 3-6mph. I find her bottom end is right around 4mph. I was able to build some apparent speed and get moving. We weren't going anywhere fast. Top speed was 18.7mph but I got in 8 miles before the wind died to nothing. When the wind sock was laying dead on the stick it was time to pack it in.

P.S. I love the stopper ball....I love this kite!




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[*] posted on 6-29-2017 at 09:16 AM


I haven't tried the line extensions, zippy works for me with the 4m. I'm more likely to change sizes if there is something lacking in the flight pattern, rather than add extensions.
The ball is a very good thing. I've taught myself to check it on a regular basis, but still find it play sometimes when not needed. Never a problem though.




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[*] posted on 7-9-2017 at 07:46 PM


Let it be known far and wide, we've got a new PEAK fanboy in the house and his name is Blitzhound! :moon:

Quote: Originally posted by Blitzhound  

Holy shnikies! Did I just join the Peak fanboy club?


If you like the PEAKs, wait till you try the LS2s... :evil:




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[*] posted on 7-9-2017 at 10:07 PM


Quote: Originally posted by Windstruck  

If you like the PEAKs, wait till you try the LS2s... :evil:


Windstruck, did you end up getting one LS2 bar or one for every kite?




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[*] posted on 7-10-2017 at 05:13 AM


Quote: Originally posted by eric67m  
Quote: Originally posted by Windstruck  

If you like the PEAKs, wait till you try the LS2s... :evil:


Windstruck, did you end up getting one LS2 bar or one for every kite?


That's one of this setup's nice things, ONE BAR. The ends of the bar have an easy adjustment allowing you to vary the width of the outer lines from 45-60 cm apart in 5 cm increments. I do have a backup set of lines.




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[*] posted on 7-23-2017 at 06:29 AM


Some sweet Peak Porn for those that believe.





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Buggy:
Peter Lynn Bigfoot+ modified with VTT rail & seat kit (a seriously great performance upgrade), two sets of Sysmic rims (one set with BigFoot slicks for the "beach" of the Great Salt Lake and the other with 6-ply trailer tires for the Ivanpah playa), and BigKidKites AQR (because it keeps me in the bug and in my marriage)

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[*] posted on 8-3-2017 at 07:41 PM


More of that sweet Peak Porn goodness! Who ever said SS gots no lift? :P






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Peter Lynn Bigfoot+ modified with VTT rail & seat kit (a seriously great performance upgrade), two sets of Sysmic rims (one set with BigFoot slicks for the "beach" of the Great Salt Lake and the other with 6-ply trailer tires for the Ivanpah playa), and BigKidKites AQR (because it keeps me in the bug and in my marriage)

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[*] posted on 8-4-2017 at 05:28 PM


Quote: Originally posted by Windstruck  
More of that sweet Peak Porn goodness! Who ever said SS gots no lift? :P




That's pretty awesome. I find this type of footage much more appealing than board grabs and flipping the board all over the place for no reason.
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[*] posted on 8-6-2017 at 10:06 PM


Some home made Peak Porn. Ocean Shores Wa. Wind SW at 6mph. This thing is an amazing low wind machine. The only think I could think of that might be better is a 15m Peak........ Just sayin...





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[*] posted on 8-6-2017 at 10:31 PM


That appears to be vintage peak porn...

I saw a peak three way this weekend but I don't believe it was filmed.




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[*] posted on 8-7-2017 at 01:19 PM


Quote: Originally posted by eric67m  
That appears to be vintage peak porn...

I saw a peak three way this weekend but I don't believe it was filmed.


:wee:




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Buggy:
Peter Lynn Bigfoot+ modified with VTT rail & seat kit (a seriously great performance upgrade), two sets of Sysmic rims (one set with BigFoot slicks for the "beach" of the Great Salt Lake and the other with 6-ply trailer tires for the Ivanpah playa), and BigKidKites AQR (because it keeps me in the bug and in my marriage)

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[*] posted on 9-3-2017 at 12:12 PM


Is the Peak 2 worth upgrading to the Peak 3? Any changes made to the 3's that make it worth paying more for? Thanks!
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[*] posted on 9-3-2017 at 01:20 PM


Quote: Originally posted by IFlyKites  
Is the Peak 2 worth upgrading to the Peak 3? Any changes made to the 3's that make it worth paying more for? Thanks!


I've owned both and I'd say if you don't feel the roof is leaking then don't fix it. The evolution between the P2s and P3s IMHO is a mixed bag.


Positives:

The kite itself is more refined in the P3 line than the P2 line
The reef line safety 5th line system is pretty slick
The bridling has been somewhat minimized
Flies with less flapping and tip tucking


Negatives:

DP pulleys have been reduced from 2 per side to 1 per side resulting in much higher bar pressure
Bar, though refined, has gotten much more expensive
If you want the little ball that you can slide down to hold the bar in place you need to get the pull/pull bar setup because the clam cleat bar doesn't have the stopper ball


As you can see, a trade off. If cost is not a problem and you don't want the stopper ball and you don't mind more bar pressure then the upgrade will be a good one for you. On the other hand, if you like your P2s and the negatives sound like they would bug you then I'd say stay put.

FWIW, you might want to take a strong look at the Born-Kite LS2s. I was a huge Peak fan until I got my hands on some LS2s. I sold my remaining P3s and got a complete quiver of LS2s and never looked back. Just sayin.... :saint:




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[*] posted on 9-3-2017 at 06:55 PM


Since relieving Windstruck of his Big Blue 12m Bed sheet. I have flown both. The P3 is definitely a bit more refined. But I'd say this. If you are looking to get a bed sheet get a P3 if you already have one and are considering upgrading. Stick with the P2. You're not missing out on enough to justify the cost IMO.



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