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[*] posted on 5-21-2015 at 03:36 PM
Who has a big Pansh Adam?


I see Pansh has come out with the Adam in 8 and 10.5 sizes.

One of the best " day saver " kites I have ever flown is the Quadrafoil Kitesurfer XXXL . It is also closed cell but only 9.? meters and has a bulky bridle. I always thought there was room for improvement on that design.

It seems that a large Adam just might be a real good almost no wind kite ? 10.5 should be a monster of a trainer. I have a feeling the 8m will fly real early and turn much faster with a more usable range? A much better trainer. ;) Is it big enough?

Has anybody tried either of these kites yet?




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[*] posted on 5-21-2015 at 06:26 PM


I don't have the big Adam only 5.5m...yet I don't think they can be a low wind kites like HQ's (Hydra or Montanas).....but for sure they are very stable and pulls like a truck in 15kph and above wind for 5.5 size.....I guess the 8 and 10.5 will pull like a train but it needs at least 15kph wind....because the 5.5 takes time to inflate and needs at least around 12kph wind to pull my body weight....yet once it is inflated, it keeps the internal pressure for so long like a balloon with almost no air loss lying in the ground.



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[*] posted on 5-22-2015 at 09:36 AM


I think fabric weight may hinder the 10.5 being low wind, and it more being that it can pull more than the 8.5, not fly in lower wind.
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[*] posted on 5-22-2015 at 03:20 PM


Quote: Originally posted by Kiteflyer933  
I don't have the big Adam only 5.5m...yet I don't think they can be a low wind kites like HQ's (Hydra or Montanas).....but for sure they are very stable and pulls like a truck in 15kph and above wind for 5.5 size.....I guess the 8 and 10.5 will pull like a train but it needs at least 15kph wind....because the 5.5 takes time to inflate and needs at least around 12kph wind to pull my body weight....yet once it is inflated, it keeps the internal pressure for so long like a balloon with almost no air loss lying in the ground.


I am confused?

The Hydra is a 3 line trainer limited in size and Montana open cell depower? Not sure how they all fit in the same category?

How is it possible that the Montana can have a lower wind range than a 10.5 closed cell FB? I don't understand that? Open cell depower require a bit of wind, as a rule? I was packing up my 10.8m Reactor at 15kph winds. Why would you say the 10.5 Adam will NEED 15kph wind to pull you?

It is the fact that the Adam is a 4 line closed cell FB like the XXXL that makes me think it should stand out as a low wind kite? It takes a LOT to get the XXL filled but once it is filled the fact it holds it's shape makes all the difference!

The XXXL seems right in the middle of the 2 sizes 8 - 10.5. It also pulls like a truck and has limited range. This is why I suspect the 8m will be a sweet size?

The XXXL is an old school material. Chikra ?? or something and it has a bulky bridle. STILL it is one of the best " day savers " I have flown. The Adam may not have a super light material but if it is that slick stuff Pansh recently came out with it shouldn't be bad. Even Pansh's new bridle is better than the old Quadrafoil stuff.

As mentioned I always thought there was room to improve on the Kitesurfer XXL's already great low end. The Adam seems like it should possibly have done so?




Kites: 2.5m Profoil , 4.9m QuadrifoilXL kitesurfer, 9m Flexi Blade II, NPW 5 Danger.
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Peter Lynn :18m Phantom, 15m Synergy, 10m Synergy, 1200 Farc, 460 Sarc, 130 Tarc, 5m Peel, 4.2m , 6.4, 8.5 C-Quads

Rides: Flexi / P.L. Frankin'Buggy , Shaped + straight skiis, sand skis, Coyote blades. Core 95 ATB. RKB R2 ATB .

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[*] posted on 5-22-2015 at 07:48 PM


I'm pointing out the possible difficulty to inflate Adam in very light to breeze wind especially with 10.5m.....but if you have a portable blower, it might work.....I don't have many years of kiting experiences like you.....but in my 2 yrs of kiting (static on summer and almost daily winter snow kiting), I find my open-cells 9.5m kite inflates quicker than my smaller closed-cells kites. My Montana can pull me and slowly cruise in 10kph breeze, in packed snow....while my smaller closed cells only fly static.....yet useful as high wind and storm kites in snow......And Adam is a very fat kite, maybe heavy too.....I bet the 10.5 is as fat as a cow.



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[*] posted on 5-23-2015 at 05:03 AM


Got you!

Yup, the XXXL is a real PITA to get to fill. ( and deflate ) Real poor inlets. Lots of tugging and running. A fan would certainly help?

The beauty of the closed cell is eventually the kite gets and stays filled. At that point it puts closed cell to shame. Combine the fact that it takes less wind to fly FB compared to depower and ... ?

This is only my experience with the XXL. I have to wonder, if I am right why did nobody take the advantages I saw in that kite and build on them? Hearing how these big " trainers " fly would confirm or debunk my theory. Pity I don't have the cash or faith in Pansh to just go out and buy one.

Good point about the fat profile. If Pansh simply scaled up the small Adam I can see how it could be a wide ride!




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[*] posted on 5-23-2015 at 09:59 PM



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Yup, the XXL is a real PITA to get to fill. ( and deflate ) Real poor inlets. Lots of tugging and running. A fan would certainly help?


Yes, a fan does help inflate the XXL if the wind is less than 5kph. I get many summer days when the wind is 3kph gusting to 15 or 20kph and my XXL often saves the day.

Here is the data sheet for the KiteSurfer lineup. I cannot find anything similar for the Adam lineup.

Quadrifoil Technical Data Sheet.jpg - 98kB




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[*] posted on 1-25-2016 at 08:05 AM


I have an Adam 8.5m.

Pulls like a Moose, handles ok, but won't win any awards for quick turning. Turning needs to be pretty aggressive at the edge of the window.

Fun for body dragging (wish , I'd taken my phone out of my pocket first) water relaunchable, but don't linger for too long with it sitting on the water, or you'll be dragging it back to the beach.

It does not have cleanouts, the air intakes DEFINITELY keep it inflated for easy relaunch, but so much so that deflation is a bit of a pain. One arm reaching in the air intake to keep it open, while the other does the folding.

I flew it on handles first, decided it's too big for handles (imho). Was much better on a bar.

I'll probably sell mine, or convert it to de-power and add cleanouts, since it was cheap enough I won't shed too many tears if I screw it up.





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[*] posted on 1-25-2016 at 11:06 AM


Thanks Pi,

I suspect it will also have a pretty limited wind range. Any guess as to bottom + top ends?

I really suspected it would turn better on handles? Maybe the internal pressure reduces the effect of brake input?




Kites: 2.5m Profoil , 4.9m QuadrifoilXL kitesurfer, 9m Flexi Blade II, NPW 5 Danger.
Flysurfer : 19m Speed 2 SA, 7m Pulse
Peter Lynn :18m Phantom, 15m Synergy, 10m Synergy, 1200 Farc, 460 Sarc, 130 Tarc, 5m Peel, 4.2m , 6.4, 8.5 C-Quads

Rides: Flexi / P.L. Frankin'Buggy , Shaped + straight skiis, sand skis, Coyote blades. Core 95 ATB. RKB R2 ATB .

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[*] posted on 1-25-2016 at 11:26 AM


oops, that was your first question.....

I got it up in fairly light wind (7-8 mph, according to my cheap anemometer) in a mowed field. If the wind is as light as that, keep it away from the apex, mine wanted to get unstable. At the lake it was a steady 15-20mph, gusting higher, it was crazy on handles, but seemed ok on the bar, but I wouldn't want more wind than that (but I also don't have a ton of experience).

I actually thought it flew better on a bar (homebrew version of a turbo) than on handles when I was at the lake, but that might have been because I felt like my arms were going to fall off when I had it on handles.

The only other kites I can compare it to are a 5m and 7m flux. More pull than either of those, but slower handling, and less stable at the edges.

In any case, I hope this helps (fwiw), but you ought to get the opinion of someone with more experience than I, you might get more substantive (or different) feedback.

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[*] posted on 1-25-2016 at 11:33 AM


one more thing.......I used 20m lines on the Flux's, got a set of 25m lines for the Adam 8.5.

went back to 20m after 10 minutes, I found the handling too slow on 25m, and (as previously mentioned) still slower than the Flux's when I switched to 20m.





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[*] posted on 1-25-2016 at 02:47 PM


BR, I got a Quadrifoil Competition XXXL (9.66M, open cell) from Don L. Rest his soul. He had done the power ring mod on the bridle. I only have flown that bird twice,static. It was work keeping it flying in 5mph or so, but I bet in motion I bet it will pull like a truck. The kite is still crispy, as it probably takes the just right conditions that I haven't yet encountered. I can imagine with just the right tension on the top power line, you could find that sweet spot, and acceleration would then be up to you! If you could get 5-8 mph with lots of room, well, it's in the bag just in case...



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[*] posted on 1-25-2016 at 04:07 PM


I flew Tridude's big red XXXL. It was the most powerful kite I had ever flown. So much kite and so flat to the wind. It all made power. He was always in teaching mode and loved to make kiters mouths drop open by surprising them and getting them to try something beyond their familiarity. :thumbup::thumbup:



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[*] posted on 4-25-2016 at 08:47 PM


Heres a chap with an Adam 10.5m:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GhwONcUQk6k

My Pansh Genesis 6m experience:

Today, I tried another kiter's Pansh Genesis 6m. Flies straight out of the bag. (Except shortened the Z-lines 6cm). Inflates quickly and easily. Even in low winds. Flies in very light winds and will generate pull with apparent wind (but not as much as the Aurora). Turns tightly and quickly. Good depower. Will overfly if you don't manage it. Low aspect ratio, and deep profile. Light crispy slippery water proof Pansh fabric. Yes because of the low cell count, the Genesis is lightweight and will get flying in very little wind. Experienced help needed to set up with the Pansh bar.

Reminds me of a stubby Unity or Voodoo profile with less cells. (Which are not low wind traction kites).

If I were to imagine the Genesis 6m fully powered and twice the size (12m), on 40m lines, it is not the low wind power monster I think you are looking for.

Not the answer you're looking for, but hope that may shed some insight with the big Adam question?




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