crazyherb
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Long Live LONG LINES!!
I like long lines....and big kites...
This dude is cranking on a 17M and 70M lines in 3-6kts...woot!!?
https://vimeo.com/84118442
Awesome
https://vimeo.com/86701972
Enjoy!
Steve
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Switch Element 2 15M, Element 3 11M, Helium 18M
Liquid Force Proof 161, MTH Custom (Water)
Flexboardz Haize (Land)
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zero gee
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It's the foil boards that are amazing.  I have seen guys here smoking upwind on
24m lines and 7m kites when absolutely no one on surfboards or lightwind twins and 13.5 to 17m kites could get off the beach. You can go on those
things in winds too light to relaunch your kite. My 9m kite would definitely be my big kite with a foil board.
2016 CORE Section wave 6m and 9m
CORE Sensor2 controlbar
2016 5'2" North WHIP surfboard
Zeeko Spitfire XLW foil and 5'0 custom foilboard
Electric Outback MountainBoard
Any old $100 snowboard
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zero gee
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Double post.
2016 CORE Section wave 6m and 9m
CORE Sensor2 controlbar
2016 5'2" North WHIP surfboard
Zeeko Spitfire XLW foil and 5'0 custom foilboard
Electric Outback MountainBoard
Any old $100 snowboard
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crazyherb
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That too Zero...I agree foil boards I think are here to stay...read somewhere they have like a 20% performance boost over standard race board.
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Switch Element 2 15M, Element 3 11M, Helium 18M
Liquid Force Proof 161, MTH Custom (Water)
Flexboardz Haize (Land)
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zero gee
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Yup. They need their own class since other race boards cant keep up.
2016 CORE Section wave 6m and 9m
CORE Sensor2 controlbar
2016 5'2" North WHIP surfboard
Zeeko Spitfire XLW foil and 5'0 custom foilboard
Electric Outback MountainBoard
Any old $100 snowboard
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erratic winds
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wholeheartedly agree. if you don't have a race foil board and you are trying to race, it's like you showed up at today's Indy 500 in a 1980 vintage
race car. You're completely outpowered.
Tide? What's a tide? Man, it's 1000 miles to any ocean.
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PHREERIDER
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Nice stuff , just traded for a race board . The guy I got it from is getting a foil. So the education begins , I been on the race before Sensitive
!and fast in 8-10 ! Definitely will be trying the foil as soon as he gets it. Foil for me is prolly a year away . Long lines wow that's a bit much
cool stuff man
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grigorib
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Back to the topic - long lines are amazing. Peter Lynn FAQ says every 3 meter of lines are comparable to adding one meter in kite size. My first
exposure to long lines was when I started wrapping down my 19m Flysurfer Speed3 Deluxe once as I couldn't get going anymore in dying wind when Jimbo
kept riding his 17m Core LW on 35m or 40m lines - I can't recall the length exactly. I gotta mention here that his launch was literally an upward kite
throw by two guys from direct downwind but once up in air the 17m kept going and looked like 10m being far. I got a chance to ride it the same evening
and it had enough power for landing a smooth backroll, not only for cruising.
I took the note and did ride my 10m Rally on 30m lines later in conditions when 12m wing would not have been enough. In a combination with 159cm
Spleene Door board it is a bliss - quick kite, large board. Sweet.
The main difference of bigger kite vs. longer lines, as I see it - on initial dive you get so much more time as kite travels the arc - enough to get
planing and start working the kite gently, while on short lines you end up having to start working it before gaining speed and attempt dies. Also
there's more wind "up there"
A race board or even better a foil must be fun too aside from being racing gear but I like versatility and ease of a twintip for common freeride.
After all long lines must be hatred by kite manufacturers since the length of lines is the most cost efficient "kite size" tuning knob.
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crazyherb
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At 2:10 you see why I like my long lines... HUGE power stroke "S" gives you fun initial start...then it's all apparent wind...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5FM7Nlz3yhM
NAPKA US70
Switch Element 2 15M, Element 3 11M, Helium 18M
Liquid Force Proof 161, MTH Custom (Water)
Flexboardz Haize (Land)
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grigorib
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Steve, how long are your lines? I'm curious if I should build and try 37m
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crazyherb
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Grigorib... The sweet-spot for the big 24M Phantom is 55M lines...
Keep in mind, I've found that line length can impact smaller kites more...due to line drag.
If you're flying anything over 10M, hit those 37M lines...and go have fun!!
NAPKA US70
Switch Element 2 15M, Element 3 11M, Helium 18M
Liquid Force Proof 161, MTH Custom (Water)
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grigorib
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So I put together 7m extensions plus 30m lines and rode 16m Liquid Force NRG on it and 10m Rally. While I expect and get 7 knots low-end from the NRG
anyways the Rally transformation was amazing - I rode along others riding 14-15m wings. Long lines screw up jumps timing but for a downwinder and nice
smooth downloops they are a steal. A steal from dealers' revenue since I don't need a kite between normal 10m and 16m lightwind kite. Not that I can't
afford one but I just love the 10m so much that after riding it a 12m feels like a slow dull truck. One would say it's not a big difference between
10m and 12m but if feels as big a difference as between 8m and 10m - and that's huge!
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tridude
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Mood: Semper in excretum sum sed alta variat................alwayz in the crap but the depth varys.........
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The winner of this years race across the harbor was flying a 9m Chrono and used a foil board. His avg speed for the 5 mile course with a tail wind was
just over 30 kts............
17m Ozone Zephyr (2012)
15m Flysurfer Silver Arrow 2
12m Ozone Catalyst (2013)
10m Ozone Catalyst (2012)
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grigorib
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Aren't race lines limited to 30.5m?
Well, no surprise...
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grigorib
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So I heard nice words again, literally "you rode when no one else could" from a guy staying couple of houses away in Rodanthe last week.
I think it comes at cost of carbon fiber Spleene Door, 19m Speed3 Deluxe and experience of riding light wind.
Upgrading to Lotus would be nice but would cost me a thousand so I'm opting out for Flysurfer 6m line extensions which by Peter Lynn assessment should
result in 2m of "added kite size" and hopefully will get me riding water in 6 knots.
I've got the lines, I'll update the forum on the effect once I try it.
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