I just flew my stunt kite I got off eBay for $25 dollars and it was hard. I would get it in the air and then it would be coasting then there would
slack in my lines and I would back peddle to get the slack out and it would crash. I am not sure if it was me or if the wind died down to much. I just
had a hard time keeping the slack out of the lines.That is my first time flying a two handle kite. Is a foil kite like a prism snapshot easier to
keep in the air? Thanks!
It depends. I flew stunt kites for 10+ years before I picked up my first foil so I had an excellent understanding of the wind window and how to fly
the lines not the kite and fund foils on handles much easier to fly compared to tricking a sport kite and having total command of the lines and pitch
of the delta. But if I had never had that experience and had to fly a soft, frameless foil, in crap wind.... well, I imagine that could be a
challenge to learn.
Smooth wind makes up for a lot of pilot error. Crap wind retards the learning.
Depower Quiver: 14m Gin Eskimo, 10m Gin Eskimo III, 6m Gin Yeti, 4.5m Gin Yeti (custom bridle and mixer)
Fixed Bridle Quiver: MAC Bego 400, JOJO ET Instinct 2.5 & 5.5, Lil Devil 1.5, Sting 1.2
Rides: Ground Industries
One of the problematic things I think many new pilots (especially in sport kite world) do is over control the kite and thus pull it out of the sky in
light winds or collapse the foil or cause it to spin and then over correct it into another problem spin or canopy collapse.
One of the best things you can do is learn how to finesse the kite, fly the lines and not overcontrol the kite. While strops are required for
harnesses (which you should not be using when learning) strops are also great to limit the amount of throw you can add to the kite and thus teach good
habits from the get-go. I'd recommend you add a strop to your handles and learn to fly with pull turns, push turns, brake turns and combos of each.
Then you can fly the lines and control but never over-control the kite. Picture of a strop below. Proper strop length is, at most, the length of
your shoulder to your wrist - but never longer, as that length when hooked in to a harness will always allow you to reach the handle if you drop one
side and the handle is in the furthest position away from you that the strop allows.
Depower Quiver: 14m Gin Eskimo, 10m Gin Eskimo III, 6m Gin Yeti, 4.5m Gin Yeti (custom bridle and mixer)
Fixed Bridle Quiver: MAC Bego 400, JOJO ET Instinct 2.5 & 5.5, Lil Devil 1.5, Sting 1.2
Rides: Ground Industries
Maybe it was crap wind. It was never steady for very long. But when it was in the air for alittle while. It was a big rush. I have not flown a kite
since I was alittle kid.
Sounds like classic crap wind. You need to try someone's foil kite - once you go foil, you'll be hooked. If you have no one around with a foil kite
to try, then save up for a 2 to 3 meter, 4-line foil kite from HQ, Peter Lynn, Flexifoil, PKD, Ozone, Prism, Skydog Kites, or other reputable
manufacturer. Heck, somebody on the forum here may even be willing to let one go for much less than new...
Welcome to the "power" side.
2m Radsails Pro (from crazyherb), 2.1m Symphony Beach II (from Amazon), 3m HQ Beamer IV (from K-Bid), 4m Pansh Flux (from garydog), 4.7m Flexifoil
Rage (from mougl), 5.6m PL Twister IIR (from Big Mike), 6m Flysurfer Peak 1 (from Flysurfer USA), 11m HQ Neo II (from kiteplace), 19m PL Venom II
(from Smeagol), MBS Core 95 ATB (from Overstock.com), couple of ROSSIGNOL snowboards w/ SIS "click" bindings
Thanks pongnut. I was thinking of going with the Prism Snapshot 2.5 for my first power kite when I save up enough money. It has two handles, but can
convert to a quad line if you buy the extra stuff. I am wondering if this would be a good starter one or if anybody else has some suggestions, I would
be glad to hear them. Thanks
Hey, I found 2 more cents... for a few bucks more, I'd skip the 2-line Prism and get yourself a 4-line kite with handles - way easier re-launching and
landing, and the extra lines add a dimension of control that 2-lines won't provide. There, my pocket is empty now.
2m Radsails Pro (from crazyherb), 2.1m Symphony Beach II (from Amazon), 3m HQ Beamer IV (from K-Bid), 4m Pansh Flux (from garydog), 4.7m Flexifoil
Rage (from mougl), 5.6m PL Twister IIR (from Big Mike), 6m Flysurfer Peak 1 (from Flysurfer USA), 11m HQ Neo II (from kiteplace), 19m PL Venom II
(from Smeagol), MBS Core 95 ATB (from Overstock.com), couple of ROSSIGNOL snowboards w/ SIS "click" bindings
Can anybody point me in a Brand direction for a 2.5m kite with quad lines that is decent price? I liked the 2.5 snapshot because of the price. I have
found some 2.5 kites with 3 lines and a bar. How would that work? I am having a hard time searching the internet for one. Thanks
In my (albeit limited) experience, larger kites are easier to fly than small ones because they turn slower and are less twitchy. You may very well
find that a 2.5m foil will be easier to control than a small 2-line stunt kite... I know I did! They are different beasts. I started out flying
2-line stunt kites and have a Prism Nexus and a 4D. When you compare the Nexus to a larger kite like a Quantum, the Quantum feels easier to fly
because you need more user input to get it to turn. With the Nexus, it's easy to make too big a movement and then over correct it, leading to a
nosedive or somesuch. The smaller the kite gets, the smaller the movements needed to control it. Having said that, it sounds like you were flying in
nasty, lumpy winds, and no kite is easy to fly under those circumstances.
Prism Snapshot 2.5
Prism Tensor 3.1
HQ Apex III 7.5
HQ Montana III 12.5
I would also go a four line power kite on handles rather than the prism snapshot. I have a snapshot and while it's a great little kite, I very rarely
fly it now that I have a good selection of 4 line kites. 4 lines are much easier to manage and relaunch. 2.5m Ozone Imp Quattro, Zebra Checka or Z1,
Peter lynn Hornet, HQ Beamer, Flexifoil Sting or Rage - all really good kites - if you can a find one new or s/h in the 2-3m range at the price you
like, do it!
Here's a 3 year old Imp Quattro still flying pretty well....
As others stated just go for a 4-line right off the bat. My first power kite was a Prism Stylus P3 which was the predecessor to the 2.5 Snapshot. I
bought it because it was cheap and I didn't ask on here first. In hindsight I would have just put what I spent on the P3 towards my first 4-line kite
which was a 2M Hornet. I still have the Hornet and it does get to come out in really high wind days. I still have the P3 but I can't even venture to
guess the last time it was out of it's stuff sack.
I have checked all of the prices and the kites and brands that you all mentioned above. I am thinking of going with the cross kite Quattro 2.5 when I
get the money. Have to some how get it with out making my wife to mad at me. Also forgot to mention that I weigh 130lbs, so I am guessing the 2.5 will
pull me some good?? I live in Charlotte, North Carolina which is not near the beach. So hopefully there will be constant wind sometime to keep it up
in the air instead of the lumpy air I had the other day. LOL
This sport gets very addictive. You will notice that almost all of us have a few kites. In general you won't be happy until you have a low , med' and
high wind kite. Best thing is to get the Wife interested as well. Makes buying all those kites for her a worthwhile gift !
What is the difference in a high,medium and low wind kite? I am looking for a LOW to medium wind kite since I don't live in a high wind area. Some
days where I live there does not seem to be much wind. Is the Cross Kite Quattro 2.5 a low to medium wind kite??? Thanks
Remember that the dual line will pull you on a buggy (what most people are here for anyway).
I flew my Prism Quantum today at Ivanpah and it pulled me to 23.1mph.
Not too shabby!
Btw...I have owned them all. Skip the P2 and/or slingshot and get a proper 4-line and never look back. The control you get on the quad-line is much
much better.
Peter Lynn - Resurrected Vapors (thanks to Tenacious Tape): 3.2, 3.8, 4.5, 5.4m. Size 2.3m (dead) - all internal bellows shredded
Pansh - Cerberus - 3, 4, 5, 6, 7.5, 9m. (red)
Peter Lynn - Viper - 2.6m
Flexifoil - Rage - Rasta 1.8, 2.5 (dead), 3.5 (dead), 4.7 (v2). New backup of 2.5m and 3.5m.
Ozone - Method 6.5m (w/ Ozone Turbo Bar)
Libre - Bora - Yellow 3.0 & 4.5 (both on their last breath of life)
Peter Lynn - C-Quad - 6.3
HQ - NPW9: 3.4 & 5.3. NPW5: 1.0
Buggies (Kite and Land)
#1 Buggy: Libre Full-Race
#2 Buggy: Peter Lynn Suspension buggy
#3 Sailer: Homemade Land Sailer
#4 Buggy: Windspeed Pro Ivanpah Buggy named Bruce (because he weighs 130 lbs!!)
Ok come on guys some people dont need to move instantly to the 4 line kite ha. I mean yes I love flying the HQ Beamer practically every single
day......, but 2 line foils are still pretty fantastic! I personally think stunt kites are stupid and pointless, but the revolution was a beast!
Its a process learn how to fly the 2 lines in every single wind condition and learn the different sizes before you jump into the 4 line kites! Just my
oppinion, I just think everyone should have a quiver of all sorts to show and give their friends kites to practice on also. I mean Im not gonna give
my 4 line kite to one of my friends right away before he can fly the 2 line properly
Respect for the Kite.................... My Passion....... KITES....... Eat, Sleep, Dream Kites
Originally posted by SFKITER
Ok come on guys some people dont need to move instantly to the 4 line kite ...
.... I mean Im not gonna give my 4 line kite to one of my friends right away before he can fly the 2 line properly
Why would you slow someones progress to a 4 line kite down? One has way more control with a four line than a 2 line, they tend to handle poor wind
better and the ability to recover and relaunch is siginigicantly better if you are by yourself.
Additionally, there is no reason not to give a total newbie a 4 line kite since they can always fly it like its a 2 line kite by simply initiating
pull turns and forgetting about the brakes.
People can fly whatever they want but no one is going to progress too far in this sport with just a 2 line kite (I recognize that some have modified
Blades, etc. to 2 line configs and jump just fine but most will not go that route).
Depower Quiver: 14m Gin Eskimo, 10m Gin Eskimo III, 6m Gin Yeti, 4.5m Gin Yeti (custom bridle and mixer)
Fixed Bridle Quiver: MAC Bego 400, JOJO ET Instinct 2.5 & 5.5, Lil Devil 1.5, Sting 1.2
Rides: Ground Industries
Yeah, go 4-line. Why, just yesterday, a friend of mine, his girlfriend's 14 yr old son, and myself were out flying static. The 14 yr old had only
flown 2-line foils twice before, so was already familiar with the mechanics. He was flying a PL Vibe 2.6 (2-line) for a little while and had a smile
the whole time. After explaining to him the basics of 4 lines, I let him take my 3m Beamer for a spin - his smile turned into chuckles of amusement
when he realized he could back the kite down into the power zone and fly back out. He also crashed it leading edge down and began yanking the lines
to get the kite to flip back over. I told him to simply apply the brake lines when the kite pops up, turn it and fly away - he did, and as the kite
floated up, rolled over, and launched, I knew he was hooked. He exclaimed that he likes the 4-lines way better - we had to pry his hands from the
handles when we were done
2m Radsails Pro (from crazyherb), 2.1m Symphony Beach II (from Amazon), 3m HQ Beamer IV (from K-Bid), 4m Pansh Flux (from garydog), 4.7m Flexifoil
Rage (from mougl), 5.6m PL Twister IIR (from Big Mike), 6m Flysurfer Peak 1 (from Flysurfer USA), 11m HQ Neo II (from kiteplace), 19m PL Venom II
(from Smeagol), MBS Core 95 ATB (from Overstock.com), couple of ROSSIGNOL snowboards w/ SIS "click" bindings
My movements on the 4 line are a lot crisper since I started on the 2 line instead of the 4 line. Yes its great to have so much control but at the
same time not everyone wants the larger pull and is more comfortable on a smaller 1.2 or 1.4 the objective is to get them interested. Not all parents
want there kids going straight into a $200 and higher kite not knowing if they are going to like it.
Would you buy your kid a $200 ( Big Kid Toy ) with out complete assurance that
it wont just be another waste of money? Parents see price tag and instantly want the small kite
You guys can obviously all say sure stick him on a 4 line kite, nothing to lose, but flying kites is what happens on this forum because most dont fly
as often as we do either.
sorry not trying to create an arguement just showing the other side also
Originally posted by SFKITER
Not all parents want there kids going straight into a $200 and higher kite not knowing if they are going to like it.
Would you buy your kid a $200 ( Big Kid Toy ) with out complete assurance that
it wont just be another waste of money? Parents see price tag and instantly want the small kite
STONEDEF is 33 and married, I don't think his parents will care if he spends $150 on a kite, his wife on the other hand...
2m Radsails Pro (from crazyherb), 2.1m Symphony Beach II (from Amazon), 3m HQ Beamer IV (from K-Bid), 4m Pansh Flux (from garydog), 4.7m Flexifoil
Rage (from mougl), 5.6m PL Twister IIR (from Big Mike), 6m Flysurfer Peak 1 (from Flysurfer USA), 11m HQ Neo II (from kiteplace), 19m PL Venom II
(from Smeagol), MBS Core 95 ATB (from Overstock.com), couple of ROSSIGNOL snowboards w/ SIS "click" bindings
LOL..yeah..33 and married with a new baby.. I have already figured out its going to be hard to fly the kite whenever I want to because we have a baby
now. I was able to fly my stunt kite for the second time on Sunday at a park with good smooth wind and was able to keep it up in the sky for a real
long time and get a good feel for flying and keeping the kite in the wind window. The stunt kite was real fun to fly.(being my second time flying a
kite since I was alittle kid). It is a stunt kite I bought on ebay for $25.00. But from what I am learning on here now, a Quad line foil kite is alot
more fun??? I planning on buying a Prism Quantum or the Quad line Cross kite Quattro 2.5. I plan to make the purchase within the next two weeks for
sure. Just have to figure out which one would be the most fun.....
Thanks, StoneDef
Flying stunt is different the a foil. I have all kids of stunt and foils. A 2 line foil tends to be a slower Moving kite that you can crash with out
fear of breaking rods. For learning a foil is perfect two line foil is a great trainer. If you want to do tricks then a god delta stunt is a great
kite kite. 4 line kite are a different kind of control. I have a revulation sle that is a 4 line wing that is a amazing kite to fly beace of that it
can do (fly backward)
Foils can deliver different power depending on how they are set up and what wind you are flying them in. Be careful with power kite until you know
there the wind window and how to fly around it.
FLEXFOIL 7m Bullett
Peter Lynn 2.6m Viper S
Peter Lynn 12m Vortex
Pansh 5m ACE
GI Flight 93
Both will be fun, but in different ways. If you want to get pulled around and have something you can use with blades/buggy/skis etc. then the foil is
the way to go, but you won't be doing too many tricks with it (basic loops in low wind and stuff). If you like the trick flying aspect then go with a
good stunt kite... the frame allows you to do the kind of slack line tricks that you'd never be able to do with a foil, but it won't pull you along
like a power kite. Or better yet, get one of each
Prism Snapshot 2.5
Prism Tensor 3.1
HQ Apex III 7.5
HQ Montana III 12.5
I wish I could even do 1% of the stunts that Dodd can pull off with my twin line stunts, foils make you way more sore and sweaty though, so yah, buy
both. I'm new to foils, and they're fun, just different than a true stunt kite.
Originally posted by STONEDEF
Can anybody point me in a Brand direction for a 2.5m kite with quad lines that is decent price? I liked the 2.5 snapshot because of the price. I have
found some 2.5 kites with 3 lines and a bar. How would that work? I am having a hard time searching the internet for one. Thanks
As previous posters said, a stunter and a 4-liner are both fun to fly, but in different ways. The Quantum is an excellent kite, stable and easy to
handle because of its size, and the shock absorbers make it nearly indestructable. For a quad, the PL Hornet 3M is an excellent choice if you want
something big enough to pull you around, if you'd rather start small I really, really recommend the Flexifoil Sting 1.7M or 2.4M for learning quad
basics.
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