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sad.gif posted on 2-25-2013 at 07:00 PM
Never go kitesurfing / kitesailing in an off-shore wind


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Kitecat in an offshore... you've had better ideas Tom


Obvious I guess.



I was at Cambersands yesterday with my friend James for my first flat water session. It's something I've been dying to try. :shocked2:

The off-shore breeze kept the sea nice and flat.

XC online weather forecasted 18-25mph x-off-shore, it was in-fact just light winds 5-10mph directly off-shore with 15mph gusts every now and then. The tide was in all the way and beautifully flat.

Easy launch and ride away. No spray, just smoooth sailing. I had to keep the kite looping tho or it would have fallen out of the sky.

The flat water was a dream to sail on but things quickly went from good to bad.

Never again will I go out in an off-shore wind.

I also know now not to downloop a kite in a KiteCat unless you're pointed in the general downwind direction or the KiteCat will flip you out...an OCE (Out of Cat Experience). I ended up in the water and out of reach of the KiteCat with little chance of reaching it.

Even tho the wind was light, it was enough to drag me out to sea. I thought that if I flagged the kite out on the 'oh #@%$#! handles' that I could somehow swim back in while towing the kite behind me....wrong! Flagging the kite out still leaves enough kite poking up out of the water to act like a sail.

I OCE'd just 30ft from shore. It might as well have been 30 miles. I was out of my depth and could not touch the bottom or get any purchase.

Wear a life jacket. I wasn't wearing one and became exhausted very quickly trying to swim the kite back to shore and when I realised I hadn't made any progress, I had to make a sad decision. I had to let go of the kite or it would kill me. By the time you read this my lovely Flexifoil 10.5m ION should have made landfall somewhere in northern France.

If I had hesitated another minute or two I may not have had the strength to swim back.

My friend James was the hero of the day. He swam out and saved the KiteCat.

All of this just 30ft from shore. Lesson learnt.

After we changed out of our wet gear we went back to the beach to see the kite. It had gone!....it was just a tiny speck out at sea. :sniff:

I called 999 and explained to the coastguard that I lost the kite in an off-shore. I did this to prevent a full scale search and rescue should someone find it out at sea or washed up somewhere.

I know I'm going to get flak for this but if maybe someone will read this and learn from my foolish ways then it's worth it.

Peace out

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[*] posted on 2-25-2013 at 07:25 PM


I've passed on great conditions that would've not been life threatening but if anything had gone wrong me and or my kite would've been across the colorado river and a 3 hour drive away. You need a boat with a driver if you are going to take chances in offshore conditions. So many things totally out of your control and regardless of your skill can ruin the day at some level.



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[*] posted on 2-25-2013 at 07:30 PM


thnx for sharing.
have not sailed on open/salt water so this is a good lesson to learn.
i sail on lakes so if flip/pitchpole overboard i can pick up boat on other side if necessary.

always were my life jacket though... a good knock on the head in the even shallowest of water and u might not make it.
hopefully you'll be re-united with your kite.




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[*] posted on 2-25-2013 at 07:35 PM


Tough lesson. I have learned a few that could have been worse.

1. Wear a life jacket is the strongest advice I can say. I have swam back in several times and despite being a competent swimmer, without a life jacket a couple of times I would have had to abandon the kite.

2. If you ditch the kite, swim to it and wrap it up. I thought my 19m would float on top of the water and maybe I could relaunch it. I spent an hour swimming about 40 yards towing the kite. When I finally reached shore the kite was full of water, enough that I couldn't lift it. I spend about another 45 minutes with a friend draining the kite. In the past I swam to the kite wrapping up the lines and then rolled it up. Much easier to swim in.

3. Kite with a buddy. You are lucky you did. It isn't always necessary but if you need help it is nice to not be SOL

No flames here bro but glad you are ok. We pay for our lessons one way or another.




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[*] posted on 2-25-2013 at 08:02 PM


What is the saying...experience is something you get a second after you needed it? I had a similar experience with my F.S. 19...ditching in unfavorable wind and filling it with water. A jet ski driven by the wife made the difference in my being able to save my kite.

It was stupid on my part but I learned alot real quick. Glad you are ok. You can replace the kite.




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[*] posted on 2-25-2013 at 09:43 PM


From the video, sure doesn't look like you were being crazy. Another good lesson that any situation can go bad fast.



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[*] posted on 2-25-2013 at 09:47 PM


Hey Redsky,
Good job on bailing on your kite! Lesson learned!
I've been there. I went out in offshore waves, wind died, kite fell, couldn't relaunch it. I tried self rescue. But there was only enough wind to go prependiculer but not "upwind" toward shore. All I could do was parallel the beach. I tried around an hour to get that kite back in. But there was no way so I paid my respect and let go with little fan fare.
I'm still waiting for Kami to U2 me saying he found my kite on the other side of the Pacific.
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[*] posted on 2-25-2013 at 10:29 PM


This happened to me windsurfing once. The wind got too high for the size sail I was useing and I couldn't get back to shore. I derigged my sail and tried paddleing back in but I couldn't. I desided to wait it out and float to the other side of the lake since I was exhasted from paddleing and lifting the sail. I was about 100 yards from the other side when a jet skier kindly towed me back. After that happened I was scared to go on the water for a bit. I was reseaching "land windsurfing" when I came across one of carltb's videos and I knew kiteing was the answer. It's been 8 months since I first discovered kiteing, 7 months since I first used a kite, 5 months since I first flew a real power kite, 3 months since I first flew a depower, 2 months since my first ride, 2 1/2 weeks since I can say I have a quiver of kites and 1 1/2 weeks since my first atb ride.



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[*] posted on 2-26-2013 at 06:00 AM


No need to rag on you - you played the odds, had some bad luck but ultimately made the right decisions.

I've been out in cross off-shore conditions and before I hit the water, decided that I would just kiss the kite good-bye if it went screwy. Always been out in good strong wind though, so I felt I could get back to shore with a body-drag etc.

Did you try deflating the leading edge only, rolling up the kite and swimming in on it like a surfboard?

... no sign of it, Flyfish :( sorry!




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[*] posted on 2-26-2013 at 06:09 AM


Glad you are ok- story told how fast things go bad on the water- If you had the vest on it you might still have the Ion and none of us would be writing now.....at least you had a suit on! Mine gives some buoyancy but not enough to hold me up.

Good call on contacting the CoastGuard- many times here they have false alarms from getaway kites and the owners not doing that.




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[*] posted on 2-26-2013 at 06:41 AM


glad you made it out.

Brother please get a life jacket!
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[*] posted on 2-26-2013 at 07:18 AM


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glad you made it out.

Brother please get a life jacket!


Thanks! I won't be going out again without a life jacket or lid. New respect for the sea. Even in the most placid conditions things can go bad. Lesson learnt.

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Hey Redsky,
Good job on bailing on your kite! Lesson learned!
I've been there. I went out in offshore waves, wind died, kite fell, couldn't relaunch it. I tried self rescue. But there was only enough wind to go prependiculer but not "upwind" toward shore. All I could do was parallel the beach. I tried around an hour to get that kite back in. But there was no way so I paid my respect and let go with little fan fare.
I'm still waiting for Kami to U2 me saying he found my kite on the other side of the Pacific.


Scary stuff. I too paid my respects to my kite with a final salute before letting go with the words...you were good. :sniff:
It was a bit like that scene from Titanic. In the grand scheme of things tho, a kite is just a kite. :)


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This happened to me windsurfing once. The wind got too high for the size sail I was useing and I couldn't get back to shore. I derigged my sail and tried paddleing back in but I couldn't. I desided to wait it out and float to the other side of the lake since I was exhasted from paddleing and lifting the sail. I was about 100 yards from the other side when a jet skier kindly towed me back. After that happened I was scared to go on the water for a bit. I was reseaching "land windsurfing" when I came across one of carltb's videos and I knew kiteing was the answer. It's been 8 months since I first discovered kiteing, 7 months since I first used a kite, 5 months since I first flew a real power kite, 3 months since I first flew a depower, 2 months since my first ride, 2 1/2 weeks since I can say I have a quiver of kites and 1 1/2 weeks since my first atb ride.


Glad there was someone on hand to tow you back. Another reason to not go out alone I guess.

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Did you try deflating the leading edge only, rolling up the kite and swimming in on it like a surfboard?


Good idea. I'll remember that for next time in an on-shore but with an off-shore and the coast just 30ft away I made a swim for dry land.

I had a moment of quiet panic when I was thrown over board as what to do. I have zero kitesurf experience. I had to take two deep breaths to calm myself and try to think the problem throu wasn't as easy as I thought. It's a scary and lonely experience.

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Glad you are ok- story told how fast things go bad on the water- If you had the vest on it you might still have the Ion and none of us would be writing now.....at least you had a suit on! Mine gives some buoyancy but not enough to hold me up.


Thanks, without the vest I'd have lasted about two or three minutes at most I reckon. I bought the wetsuit just two days before. I never really thought I'd get thrown overboard. I was going to just use a leaking drysuit to keep the wind at bay!


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What is the saying...experience is something you get a second after you needed it? I had a similar experience with my F.S. 19...ditching in unfavorable wind and filling it with water. A jet ski driven by the wife made the difference in my being able to save my kite.

It was stupid on my part but I learned alot real quick. Glad you are ok. You can replace the kite.


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[*] posted on 2-26-2013 at 07:25 AM


That sucks Tom. Glad you are ok. Shows how quickly a good time can turn into despair. You can always get another kite.



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[*] posted on 2-26-2013 at 11:28 AM


Some folks have lost a kite to sea while buggying on the sand...never mind being on the water :shocked2: !

If it makes you feel better I lost one to Davy Jones Locker..(a Fixed bridal). Partially let go to avoid OBE..partially yanked in gust buggying. Would not drop from sky for several hundred yards till out past waves. Went in but thought it best to not go out over my head w strong off shore wind. Only nearby help was paddle boarder who was not comfortable going out to rescue.

Still don't wear kite killers...

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[*] posted on 2-26-2013 at 12:10 PM


the lesson you should have leanrt is a deep water pack down. all you wouldve needed to do is, wind in your lines until your kite was with you, then deflate the leading edge but not the struts, then rolled it up and swim in with it.

do you kitesurf?




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[*] posted on 2-26-2013 at 12:31 PM


Just glad to hear the only casualty was a bit of kit. Stay safe and I look forward to the next video!



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the lesson you should have leanrt is a deep water pack down. all you wouldve needed to do is, wind in your lines until your kite was with you, then deflate the leading edge but not the struts, then rolled it up and swim in with it.

do you kitesurf?



is there a last ditch (before you actually ditch the kite) self rescue technique for use with arcs too?




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Suds, I have had good luck with rolling up the kite from the wingtips. Pulled both together and started rolling. Lifejacket gave me the buoyancy to do it comfortably. Usually a bit of air is trapped inside that helps with buoyancy. I have only tried it with my foils but I cant see the arcs being different. I put the kite on my board and swim in. This has mostly happened when wind changed and was either too high for the kite or too low.



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[*] posted on 2-26-2013 at 02:04 PM


stetsons right. the self rescue for an arc is the same as my previous post but when you reach the kite, you bring both tips together and roll them up slowly as you are swimming in. the longer you have to swim the more you will roll the kite up as the air will gradually leak out of the kite. if you still have your board then you can also use that as a floatation device. if you still havent reached land and all the air has been squeezed out of the kite then strap it to your board with your safety leash and swim back with it like that. the main thing to remember is not to panic. even if you arent a strong swimmer, you will be suprised how much float a wetsuit gives you



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[*] posted on 2-26-2013 at 02:23 PM


CTB- applies to saltwater! if you're riding freshwater, you'd better have a PFD, can't rely on wetsuit buoyancy only...



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[*] posted on 2-26-2013 at 03:42 PM


in the uk nobody kites inland on water but i didnt know about the fresh water thing



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[*] posted on 2-26-2013 at 05:13 PM


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That sucks Tom. Glad you are ok. Shows how quickly a good time can turn into despair. You can always get another kite.


Thanks man. :)
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Quote:
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the lesson you should have leanrt is a deep water pack down. all you wouldve needed to do is, wind in your lines until your kite was with you, then deflate the leading edge but not the struts, then rolled it up and swim in with it.

do you kitesurf?


I have no kitesurfing experience. Kamikuza suggested the same thing. I've heard of the deep water pack down but didn't actually know what it was.

It makes sense tho and it might have worked. The thing is I was only 30ft from shore and very tired.

For this to work I'd have to keep afloat until I had wrapped the lines up and then do the deep water pack down and then swim in from an even greater distance.

I think your idea would have worked and afterwards I was sad about the kite but at the time all I wanted to do was to get back on dry land asap.

Thanks to yours and Kami' explanation of the deep water pack down, I will practice it next time and report back.
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