Hi guys im still pretty new to power kites and the industry but I think its quite fascinating. Ive been flying for about 3 months now but in those 3 months ive probably only had a chance to go out maybe 6 times. So still zilch. In those handful of times though ive basically gotten to fly in all the standard wind conditions. I was doing some reading on here and see a lot of you guys have kites made by a company called PANSH. I just took a quick peek at their website and see they are rather affordable prices? Why is this why is a kite from this company from what ive seen of other companies more economical. How do you even prounce the word PANSH. What does it mean? How do they rate when it comes to other companies like HQ, Prism, and Peter Lynn?

http://www.powerkiteforum.com/viewthread.php?tid=24519

All you need to know on PANSH.

Do a search here on PKF next time you have a few days free time and dive in. In a nutshell, they are bargain kites and there is some variability between kites. Lines and handles aren't on the same level as other mfrs. Some buy them because of price and enjoy flying them. Most move on to other brands.

In another nut shell, Pansh is the son, Pan, who's father owns the largest kite manufacturer in the world. They make all of about 90% of everything called a kite. Over the last few years, a couple of Kite Companies have begun manufacturing their own kites in their own factories, (PKD, Ozone, to name 2) with a few others that are having those make theirs. So with the removal of the big name brands from China, the Chinese company and the son, Pansh, are stepping up their selling by advertizing to some of us here in the States by direct email and with the public by such ways as 2 for 2 deals. These Chinese company's have had to step up the R and D of the kites they have made, make and will make in the near future, in order to compete with the big boys.
The biggest advantage of the Chinese company's is the cost of labor. Slave labor and child labor laws here in the US is not allowed but still practiced in other countries.

Is Pansh a good deal? Yes it is. But the question is at what cost. R and D costs money, so does advertizing, and dont forget the people who are paid by the big boy companies to promote that company. I know for a fact that you at the end of the kite chain pay for alot of extras that more than double the cost of the product, even before the dealers cost to get the kite for you.

Ask the right question to the right person and Low and behold, you would be so much more inclined to buy a kite for more reason than the color, skill level, cost and kite prestige with others and so on. You may even buy because it is the right thing to do, support a company with human rights and moral ethics along your beliefs.
Or Not.
Just my Honest Opinion.

For a bit of extra credit, why have some companies disappeared lately, such as JoJo to name one?

PKD completely pulling out from China goes a long way for me I am willing to eat less pizza and pay for proper labor.

Thanks for the info guys


MDK do you like your Buster Soul Fly I just took a look at their website and see the smallest one 1.5M listed at $141

Yes I do. I really like my Century's too but because I only have 8 months in a buggy the Buster treated me well in high winds until I build confidence. I will always have some Buster's as long as Jeff @ Big Kid Kites will allow me here is a video of me with the 3.3 Buster at Alvord http://youtu.be/W-EAShq20zo

holy crap thats a 3.3m pulling you on a buggy sick. What were those winds like though?

Here is a 2.2 buster and a 1.5 buster at Va Beach https://vimeo.com/53914152

holy crap thats a 1.5M pulling your brother behind you and your on a 2.2M. Gosh im so new to this sport lmao. The fact that a 1.5M is pulling a dude on buggy is sick! Do you think a 1.5M could pull a 135lb guy in 15MPH winds? Im a solid built 135lb. Since you were flying in 20mph winds perhaps maybe even 12mph winds????? Im having to much fun with this kite thing ha

Its such a small kite but it can pull is that because of the way the kite was designed that you can get so much torque out of it? Like if you were to compare a model branded car to the Buster Soul Fly what would it be?

It has ALOT to do with how they were being flown. Looping in the powerzone over and over or figure8s in the "zone". Hmmm.... I'd say the Busters are a Camaro... And the Centurys are a Corvette.... Then that would make the Combat a Lambroghini Diablo ...:bigok: Oh yeah ,I weigh 175 and my Bro weighs 185. I was in a buggy that weighs 135 and the one he was piloting weighs 87.

Thanks for the info man! I mean if your buggy weighs the same as me and the buggy your brother was on weighs less than me! I could get some goot speed going

You sure have amassed quite a bit of kit in just a "few" months.... Reminds me of someone... :saint:

until one has experience to be overpowered, 3.3m is ideal for buggying in 15mph wind. the winds in that video were around 15mph + and I was doing speeds of 35-40 mph. when the wind drops a little then you have to work the kite like WELDNGOD mentioned. working the kite increases the speed the kite is moving through the air increasing apparent wind thus giving you more power.

lol I feel like a complete noob but thats because I am a noob. I wanna hold onto all the kites I get though im really going full force at this trying to get all my friends and family into it. I think its so much fun.

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Originally posted by MDK until one has experience to be overpowered, 3.3m is ideal for buggying in 15mph wind. the winds in that video were around 15mph + and I was doing speeds of 35-40 mph. when the wind drops a little then you have to work the kite like WELDNGOD mentioned. working the kite increases the speed the kite is moving through the air increasing apparent wind thus giving you more power.

teach me more wise ones! :roll:

Yeah I was just looking at your sig. you have the engines! get a bug and go

best if you can find someone in your area that has experience to learn from you located?

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Originally posted by MDK best if you can find someone in your area that has experience to learn from you located?

Im in San Francisco

Cheez, kit? are from across the pond? or do you just talk to them a lot like me and picking up on there lango I am typing with an English accent as we speak..

any advice on finding a solid buggy for someone new to the sport and some price ranges and aspects I should be looking for on a buggy would be helpful also.

SFKITER, know anyone that bugs over there?

+1 for the 3.3m. You will find it's a keeper and nice size for introducing friends to the sport. !

It is a good size. Not too big but big enough to act like it's bigger brothers. It will power you well at 15mph.
I find smaller kites are like bumble bees on a line zipping all over with just little spurts of power.

A used buggy can go as cheap as $200. I think about $495 new for a Peter Lynn. And up from there. Shipping can be an issue.

Dakitze, A Wind of Change and BigKidKites are the dealers closest to you . The may have something ? Also try Van VTT buggies from Texas.

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Originally posted by Bladerunner I find smaller kites are like bumble bees on a line zipping all over with just little spurts of power.

You gotta work it Bro!

well I got my bug from www.popeyethewelder.com over in England but an eiser rout may be to give Jeff a call at Big Kid Kites and see what he has. there are different types of bugs, depends on what type of buggying you want to do

sweet so much information to learn about all these kites

You got buggy engines Bro.Those Beamers are plenty good for buggying. Oh yeah,welcome to the addiction!

Yeah, welcome to the newly arrived monkey on your back . Try this with your smaller kites: When flying static, try to loop or figure-8 in such a way that the tension on the lines is always about the same. It takes a lot of attention when the kite is really fast, but it's great practice for consistent traction power later.

hmmmm what exactly is static flying? And are the beamers pretty quality kites for being pulled on the buggy? What about the HQ Toxic Kite? I should change the title of this thread ha. So much to learn!!!