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| Simple kite designs for student program? 
 
 
 Hey everyone, 
HWK is working on putting a kite program together for "at risk youth" kids at a local school. The program will be focused on powerkites and flying
them but I want part of the program to entail actually making some very basic foil/sled type kites.  
 
I've never made a kite from scratch so this is all new to me as well.
 
Anyone have any suggestions or thoughts I'd appreciate the input.  These kids are amazing when they get into something and I think they would eat this
kind of thing up.:wee:
 
Thanks in advance, Chris.
 Chris Krug-Owner @ Hardwater Kiting. Authorized Dealer of Ozone, Flysurfer, HQ  kites.www.hardwaterkiter.com  603-986-2784
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 Hey Feyd could you put me into contact with these people i'd like to get in on it as well.  I work almost exclusively with at risk kids, and on top of
that I have my kite club.  I'd like to talk to them as well as pick up some of those designs to see if we could make some kites. | 
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 You most likely know about them and depending on age of kids but....I bought some of the pre-made tyvek kites that the kids got to put together and
design with paint/markers themselves. It was a big hit. Not exactly power kite in design, but they were a foil.  
You can buy them in packs of 20 or ?...You may also try to just look at the design and buy a roll of tyvek or ask a builder friend if they have any
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 http://2e5.com/
This site has all sorts of cool designs.
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 This is great input guys I really appreciate it.  BEC we carry HQ and they have a line of those type of kites.  Thought about going that route but
these kids are a little past that age wise.  Mainekite, I do the bike thing in the summer time but if you want some assistence from me let me know.
Indigo, as always, awesome. Ditto Blade and Herc.  Fly I'll keep you up to date on what we come up with. 
Thanks again everyone.
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| IMO 
 
 
 I think http://2e5.com/   is the one to go with. A Nasa-like  wing without all the work of the bridals(nost of the work).
 
This seems a fair kite for a real pulling power, controlable 4-line(quad-they can even make the handles!), crashable powerkite that's easiest to
make... and soon use. 
  
 Sled is easy...but what control?. Foil?..... too advanced and too long to make.. complexity makes easier to mis-sew..? 
 If the at- risk kids are frustrated on too long or complex a project...Chris will be at risk from these kids:shocked2: | 
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  | Quote: |  | Originally posted by skimtwashington I think http://2e5.com/  is the one to go with. A Nasa-like  wing without all the work of the bridals(nost of the work).
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Chris didn't specify where funding is coming from but even on the used market  X functional sewing machines and support supplies would be fairly
spendy.  Not to mention a classroom type environment that would be able to support them all being set up simultaneously.  
 
The advantage of new-sew Tyvek kites are they they basically just require a workspace with long tables and folding chairs. 
 
From Chris's original post it sounded that the kids would be exposed to foils/powerkites of a RTF flavor and the construction of a simpler type kite
was supplemental. 
 
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 Thanks Feyd, i'd appreciate that greatly | 
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 I still want to make a duct tape tarp kite....just for giggles... 
A 6x9ft tarp would make a 5M kite...very low aspect ratio...though..
 
Couple of tip battons and inflatable LE....could get interesting... 
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 That " tarp "  kite in the video from crazy H is too cool for school!  
Just the kind of thing to keep a troubled child out of trouble ! Duct tape wins again!    
I want one!
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