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[*] posted on 10-10-2012 at 03:30 PM
Thoughs on Directional Boards?


Got a question for all experience kite-boarders out there.

A little background:
Been kiteboarding for a few months. I wouldn't call myself proficient yet but I AM trying.
I have no problem riding downwind, upwind and I am pretty confident with turning transitions. Thats about it =/
I started out with my 146 x 46 board which I would say was great to learn on. Big board but not too big.
Now that I am able to ride, I've felt like I need a board with a better low end than this one.
Ive ridden it side by side with Jim's Litewave Wing, Aarons Spleene FT Door and Konrad's Glider. Every time Ive had problems riding my board, I have been fine with either of the above.

Now the question is: To go with a big fat and flat TT or with a Directional (North Nugget to be specific).
I understand directionals have their own learning curve and I am up for the challenge if it makes sense.
If you all think I am better off with a big TT until I become a better rider I am OK with that.
Now If you are not familiar with the Nugget. It is a Short and wide combination between a surfboard and a skimboard.
It is not a raceboard or freerace board, it is meant to be ridden in light winds and chop up to small waves. A review can be found here http://epikoo.com/kiteboarding/gear/kiteboards/north-nugget-...
I understand these directionals have better low end and more fun in marginal winds! It seems like a great board to learn directional riding both strapped and strapless.

My local conditions have a lot of light winds around 10+/- mph. Local spots have no to medium chop. Once I get better I can take it out to the ocean side where there are small waves.
How do these type of boards work with big Foils? Say my FS Speed3 19m DLX?

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[*] posted on 10-10-2012 at 04:50 PM


here's the ease factor question. can u surf? windsurf? SUP wave? if so jump on it?

if you had better luck with flat fattie TT in low then add it and get the extra rides.

the surfy nature really hasn't appealed to me and for my size it take decent wind to somewhat fun once past getting the directional wired stage just to ride! def couple decent sessions to get things sorted to the fun level, but still gotta have decent wind.

a race style board, more twitchy! but ultra low wind! with a 19, that would be frightening!

cabrinah makes this board called a subwoofer, softer then a race for sure and the direction i am heading ATM. i still need decent wind for it, but a smaller guy could rock in light flat with no doubt.

http://www.cabrinhakites.com/surf-boards/subwoofer.html

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[*] posted on 10-10-2012 at 05:30 PM


Phree the nugget seems to cover the same conditions as the subwoofer .
Seems like the main difference is the length, the nugget at 5' is supposed to be a little more maneuverable and feel more like a skateboard as oppose to a surfboard. It doesn't seem like its supposed to be a race style board as its meant to handle waves and chop nicely.

Ive done some surfing in small waves no tricks or anything.

Ive had good luck with the big TT but I've never had a chance to try a surfboard. This is my chance to get one as the cost of the big TT is similar or a bit more than the nugget I am looking at.



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[*] posted on 10-10-2012 at 06:29 PM


looks like a super skim , shinn makes a similar i think ...pelican on it or something. if its flat def would better than a sub woofer . here its shallow and washes out just from small in the surf and only leaves current,

i have ridden a big skim here and a wake skate which is skatey for for sure and it 's fun . for a flat bay it would be supreme! toe bars def help get things grippy for upwind drive. by far easier for a quick start strapless ride



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[*] posted on 10-10-2012 at 06:51 PM


Didn't you ask me this already? :D

Nugget eh... short but wide, flat (kinda), and high volume. The bottom has a double concave thing that's supposed to help for easy planing too. Surfboards don't have that magic bottom shape :D
Supposed to be close to a raceboard in terms of low end performance, but with a much broader range of use - you can play in waves on a raceboard! Apparently...

I've never tried a directional either but everyone says the Nugget is easy to learn on and fun to ride in all conditions, up to 'real' surfing conditions.

If it wasn't for the lack of job thing, I think I'd have just bought one already... the only thing that puts me off is how short it is - I'm worried I'm too heavy for it!



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[*] posted on 10-10-2012 at 06:53 PM


Oh forgot to add...

I'm starting to believe the people who say you can get away with smaller kites in light winds, like the 15m Naish Fly and Epic Infinity etc... I've been using my Speed3 15 and the Flydoor in what is apparently as little as 10 knots and been having an ok time.

Think perhaps my technique has just 'leveled up' a little bit... with the benefit of experience!



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[*] posted on 10-10-2012 at 06:57 PM


PPS. I think it's Kober who has an Airush Sector 60 which is, IIRC, similar size to the Nugget (60" = 5'?) and is more freeride than race board - get him in here! :)



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[*] posted on 10-10-2012 at 07:26 PM


Yes kami, was looking for some input from people that ride directionals.

About konrad having the sector that is correct however the sector is a freerace board and its not meant to be ridden in chop or waves. I think the the double-concave helps it in the chop and waves.



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[*] posted on 10-10-2012 at 08:23 PM


O h well.....
I think this right moment to tell my story about tryouts with Sector ....
Lets start with ..... Board is beautiful, well build and attract lots of attention .... and thats where I find to have first problem .... Every time I bring it to the beach I have hundreds of questions ....
"Are you training for olympics ??" " Are you pro ? " " You must be very advance to ride with that ..... " .... and please tell me how now I can go in water and try for half hour to get on that thing ... lol
Ok ... I am pass that .... All videos and comments on forums did not help me with that and I develop my own technique that works well for me .... and I can get on board as easily as on TT ....
I give up at first when trying at our local spot witch mostly is deep .... Board was running away from me all the time .... When at OBX with plenty of shallow water I dedicated whole day to master "get in " technique and some of ways to ride that board ...
You can get very good speed very quick if you use proper technique .... Keep you board flat , legs extended and lean back .... ride the fins .... That will get you going fast in no time on flat water .... On chop it will make you feel like you landing a jump every second or two and get you frustrated .... I ride ocean with it too and it feels better if you ride behind area where waves forms ... Than its a question why to use directional there if you not riding waves .....
Kite size ....
I was able to use 7m kite and ride just fine, generating power from speed of the kite where everyone around use 12-14m kites with TT ... As longest there is enough power in kite to put you on top of board and kite is a "fast" one it works ok .... and jumps can be done using that speed you board is generating ....
Upwind is unbeatable ... if you use fins ... not edge of the board....
Size of fins make you want to know where are shallow spots in area so you can avoid them .... so far my fins did not hit anything
Transport .... Dont forget about that part .... This board takes a lot of space if you keep fins attached ... also ... its harder to carry it when waking long distance to you launch spot
Fragile ..... It is way easier to scratch that beautiful surface then typical TT .... when in my car board is positioned side way .... and it have countless scratches from sand in my car ...
and last ...
JIBE ..... I try .... and try and try ..... that is my next goal for next year ... I need to get that done ... There is so many thinks going on at same time ..... and all needs to be perfect ....

Final words ....
Airush Sector ..... that is a bit different from board you plan to purchase .... would be awesome tool for advanced rider ..... that can use it as shown on promotional video of that board .... At this moment I know I try to do too many things at same time .... and it was mistake to purchase it when my TT skills still need a lots of work .... I am dedicated right now to master kite and TT technique on water before advancing to continue directional tryouts .... I got some taste of speed and different way of kiting and I am sure I will continue that direction after I dial my TT goals ...
I am not saying I will sell my board or stop using it ... oh no .... but it will not go with me to the beach every time I am going .....



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[*] posted on 10-10-2012 at 08:58 PM


Can you ride toe side? I went from Spleen Session to Mako King and then Aguera Race board. I learned to ride toe side on the Mako King then I should have switched to a directional surf so I could get better at jibes and tacks. Instead I went straight to the race board and have been learning to tack. It is tough. I can ride that thing at high speed up wind for miles riding the board flat and letting the fins do the work. I have done it with a 10M, 13M, and 19M in barely any wind. But when trying to turn, I just mess up my tack and turn the board and go the other direction. I am close to nailing it though, I just need to get the muscle memory in repetition.
So.....I would try out a directional and see how you like it. You will be falling off and flipping over the board and going the other direction. It will take some balance and muscle memory work. I have been told to try out a 6' x 19" wide surf board. Also Litewave DV8 would be a good board to look at for a first directional. A friend of mine has an Underground Kipuna which is a great board but is no longer produced. I have not tried a Nugget - it looks worth giving a go.
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[*] posted on 11-10-2012 at 04:07 AM


Go for the nug, my favorite directional was a 6'0 fish that my Dad rides now. It had a low entry rocker, tons of mass and a decent width, a blast to ride!



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[*] posted on 11-10-2012 at 05:43 AM


@AD thats my next goal. toeside.
Yes I expect a steep learning curve in which ill be falling off the board a LOT.

I'll mull it over for a few days. I think even if I get the Nugget I will want a big TT, and I can't afford both.



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[*] posted on 11-10-2012 at 07:47 PM


Sorry I can't comment on the Nugget or using them with a bridled foil. However, ARC's work great with directionals.

I have yet to try to ride a raceboard. It looks like it might be harder since most riders stance on the board does not look natural to me compared to a surfboard. They also remind me of Formula windsurfers (short and wide) easier to tack well but harder to gybe well too (because they are so wide and have so much fin too).

I'm not sure what the big deal is about riding directionals. So many guys psych themselves out about these directional thingies. It's not any harder than a twintip, just a bit different. Gybing is also no harder than any other move. Back in 2000 so many guys started on a directionals and then advanced onto a twintips because the TT's had boots on them. Mutants were also used by some as a transition board to get directional riders into TT's that didn't want to commit fully to the TT. There were so many bad directionals back then too. Way better now, but there are lemons still.

Commit fully to the directional and leave the TT at home so all you have is the directional to use. Keep your tacks short and try to gybe every time. Your going to end up in the water anyways might as well be trying to gybe.



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