Power Kite Forum
Not logged in [Login - Register]
Go To Bottom

Printable Version  
Author: Subject: Charger for a big boy
BeamerBob


Avatar


Posts: 8169
Registered: 5-11-2007
Location: Down on the bayou
Member Is Offline


[*] posted on 12-8-2011 at 11:04 PM
Charger for a big boy


Ok, you large guys with Charger experience in the water help me out here. I am going to get a Charger now that they are at this discounted price. The dilemma is between the 15m and 19m. Looks like we usually have winds in the mid 20s here so I'm considering the 15. I'm also thinking 19 since I'm SO used to getting skunked while water riding. When riding at OBX last year I had my 15 Synergy and was never overpowered even when the winds rose above 26 to 27. The guys on LEIs were riding 9s in the same winds.

I'm 6'4" and usually have a summer weight of about 225. I go over 230 in the colder months.

So which way do I go here?

To really complicate matters, going down this path, I also have an eye turned to the HQ Matrixx. I love the Montanas and they love me, so I feel the Matrixx would be a good match as well. Then the dilemma of 12 or 15 kicks in. HELP!




Coastal Wind Sports Team Rider
Landsegler Disc wheels
PTW Hero Buggy - XXtreme ApeXX Buggy US 88 - Libre Hardcore
IvanpahBuggyExpo.com
Youtube link
Bob Muse
HQ Montana VIII 8m, HQ Ignition LEI 5m, HQ Prodigy 3.4m, 10.5m
PL Phantom 6m, 12m, 15m, Big Blu 24m+, Synergy 10m, Venom 10m, 13m , Phantom II 6m, Vapors 2.7, 3.2, 3.8, 4.5, 5.4, Crosskite Sonic 7m, PKD Combat 10.3m
Uturn Butane 2.5m PKD Buster 3m Genetrix Hydra 7m Ozone Yakuza GT 14m
View user's profile Visit user's homepage View All Posts By User
AD72




Posts: 1080
Registered: 2-4-2009
Location: Davis, CA
Member Is Offline


[*] posted on 12-8-2011 at 11:36 PM


Get a 19 Charger and a 15 Synergy!:smilegrin:
View user's profile Visit user's homepage View All Posts By User
Kamikuza


Avatar


Posts: 6382
Registered: 1-9-2005
Location: Shiga, JAPAN
Member Is Offline


[*] posted on 12-8-2011 at 11:50 PM


Mid-20 knots or mph?

20mph = 17knots? ... I'd go the 19 cos it's not exactly slow either and at 100kg you'll need the grunt. There's mountains of depower but IMHO the Synergy is less aggressive and doesn't over-power so viciously. The Chg15 is a fast kite but they need to be worked more than the Synergy IMO again ...

With the FSer Speed3 12 I have, it's not much use to me below 20 knots on the Door ... I'd need good consistent 25knots (or much flatter water!) to use my small board. I'm looking for a 15m to fill in between the 21 and the 12 ...




Yeah... I got a kite. Or two...
View user's profile Visit user's homepage View All Posts By User
bigkahuna




Posts: 713
Registered: 11-21-2006
Location: OBX of North Carolina
Member Is Offline


[*] posted on 12-9-2011 at 12:52 AM


@BeamerBob - Sounds like you and I are about the same size, I'm a hair under 6'5" and weight 230 +/- a couple of pounds depending on the time of year. My most flown kite is my Bularoo 16 which is probably the equivalent of a 20m kite which I'm guessing is closer to the Charger 19 than the 16. All the PL's I've ever flown had better top ends than bottom ends so I think you'd be safe to get the 19. I know back in Hawaii I flew my V19 almost all the time, only rarely putting it down for my Phantom 15. That is assuming you're riding a moderately sized twin tip.
View user's profile View All Posts By User
PHREERIDER


Avatar


Posts: 5781
Registered: 2-13-2008
Location: SC
Member Is Offline

Mood: chilled....but ready to SAIL!

[*] posted on 12-9-2011 at 06:12 AM


19 ...in 15 -25mph you'll be powered with quick turning, don't think twice about it.



TEAM RIDER for Coastal Wind Sports

http://www.coastalwindsports.com/

VIDEOS for your entertainment while you wait.

http://vimeo.com/user4948152/videos

http://www.youtube.com/user/goldendmd?feature=mhsn
View user's profile View All Posts By User
flyjump


Avatar


Posts: 2068
Registered: 4-7-2009
Member Is Offline


[*] posted on 12-9-2011 at 06:18 AM


Get the 19! Its an awesome ride



View user's profile View All Posts By User
lunchbox




Posts: 1248
Registered: 3-13-2007
Location: Agoura Hills, CA.
Member Is Offline

Mood: Feeling Lucky...

[*] posted on 12-9-2011 at 07:30 AM


+ 1 on the 19.

I ride both. I'm a little lighter about 214 lbs with no gear. If I get to the beach and it's in the low 20's I'll put up the 15. If it runs from teens up to low 20's I'll definitely put up the 19.

...but I'm riding my old school fish surfboard with a lot of volume and float and in the waves. In those conditions I just want the kite to get me into the waves and that's it so I don't really need that much power.




Flexifoil Blurr 2.5, Ozone Cult 3.5, Nasa Star 3 4.0 Ozone Yakuza 4.0, PL Reactor 4.9, JoJo RM+ 5.0, Ozone Method 5.0, Ozone Yakuza 6.0, Flexifoil Blade IV 6.5, Nasa Star 3 7.0, PL Vapor 7.8, JoJo RX 8.0 (in route), Flexifoil Blade VIP 8.5, PL Vapor 9.4, Ozone Yakuza 10.0, PL Reactor II 10.8, PL Vapor 16.1, PL Venom II 13, PL Charger 15, 19, Flysurfer Unity 12, Flysurfer Pulse 2 14, Flysurfer Speed 2 SA 19, Flysurfer Speed 3 21, MBS Comp 95 landboard, PL Folding buggy, PL XR+ buggy, Slingshot LFT, Lots of surfboards
View user's profile View All Posts By User
geokite


Avatar


Posts: 458
Registered: 2-26-2004
Member Is Offline

Mood: name is mud...

[*] posted on 12-9-2011 at 08:56 AM


Where are they discounted?



Steve Bateman
Arcs: P:6,6,9,12m; Syn:8,10,12,15,19m; V2:8m
PL Monster Buggy, 1994 Flexi buggy (original owner), MBS board
Slingshot Glide 149, Litewave 137 Spirit, 2006 Crazy Fly Pro 137x41, 5' Sweet Potato
View user's profile View All Posts By User
BeamerBob


Avatar


Posts: 8169
Registered: 5-11-2007
Location: Down on the bayou
Member Is Offline


[*] posted on 12-9-2011 at 09:20 AM


Well, you guys locked in what I knew in the back of my mind. I guess I'll have to pull the trigger on the 19 so I'm ready for water play again.

Several dealers are passing along a discount from the factory right now.




Coastal Wind Sports Team Rider
Landsegler Disc wheels
PTW Hero Buggy - XXtreme ApeXX Buggy US 88 - Libre Hardcore
IvanpahBuggyExpo.com
Youtube link
Bob Muse
HQ Montana VIII 8m, HQ Ignition LEI 5m, HQ Prodigy 3.4m, 10.5m
PL Phantom 6m, 12m, 15m, Big Blu 24m+, Synergy 10m, Venom 10m, 13m , Phantom II 6m, Vapors 2.7, 3.2, 3.8, 4.5, 5.4, Crosskite Sonic 7m, PKD Combat 10.3m
Uturn Butane 2.5m PKD Buster 3m Genetrix Hydra 7m Ozone Yakuza GT 14m
View user's profile Visit user's homepage View All Posts By User
markite


Avatar


Posts: 1693
Registered: 3-8-2004
Location: Cambridge, ON, Canada
Member Is Offline


[*] posted on 12-9-2011 at 09:23 AM


I don't think they are actually discounted - many kite companies offer dealers year end Christmas discount packages. It is incentive to get some stock at a little lower pricing for dealers so they in turn could either make a little more profit or in some cases dealers will offer a sale. The list price on the kites hasn't changed.



Mark Groshens NAPKA KC 13
WindSpeed kites & design - Canada
Peter Lynn: Ch2 22 +18 + 15 + 6.5, Scorp 16 + 10, Phantom II 12 + 9, Orig Phantom 9 + 6, Syn 8, Charger I 6, F 1200, 840
Ocean Rodeo: Flite 17 + 12, Rise 13 + 10 + 7, Razor 9 + 6
Foils: PL Leopards and Lynx, Airea Raptors, some PL Reactor IIs + IIIs, Libre Spirits, Cross Kite Sonics, Ozone Flow
Peter Lynn Kite Cat for cruising the lakes
buggies: PL XR+, Cameleon Pagona, custom bigfoot, PL Bigfoot, custom ice buggy
Boards: 2 custom directionals, O.R Surf series 6-3 and 5-11, Mako Duke, Mako Skinny, Mako 140 Wide, Mako 150 Wide, Mako King, Brunotti
lots of old school skis, snowboard
View user's profile View All Posts By User
BeamerBob


Avatar


Posts: 8169
Registered: 5-11-2007
Location: Down on the bayou
Member Is Offline


[*] posted on 12-9-2011 at 10:35 AM


http://www.dakitez.com/servlet/the-558/Charger/Detail

I know Dino is offering them at a sale price so I assumed others would as well.




Coastal Wind Sports Team Rider
Landsegler Disc wheels
PTW Hero Buggy - XXtreme ApeXX Buggy US 88 - Libre Hardcore
IvanpahBuggyExpo.com
Youtube link
Bob Muse
HQ Montana VIII 8m, HQ Ignition LEI 5m, HQ Prodigy 3.4m, 10.5m
PL Phantom 6m, 12m, 15m, Big Blu 24m+, Synergy 10m, Venom 10m, 13m , Phantom II 6m, Vapors 2.7, 3.2, 3.8, 4.5, 5.4, Crosskite Sonic 7m, PKD Combat 10.3m
Uturn Butane 2.5m PKD Buster 3m Genetrix Hydra 7m Ozone Yakuza GT 14m
View user's profile Visit user's homepage View All Posts By User
g00fba11




Posts: 1195
Registered: 1-4-2011
Location: Wisconsin
Member Is Offline

Mood: Itching to Mush!

[*] posted on 12-9-2011 at 10:48 AM


Quote:
Originally posted by BeamerBob
Ok, you large guys with Charger experience in the water help me out here.

I'm 6'4" and usually have a summer weight of about 225. I go over 230 in the colder months. Well in all honesty closer to 280 when its really cold. In the winter you could call me BeamerBlobby!

So which way do I go here?



Sorry Bobby...... I don't think they make a 24m Charger..... Maybe you will have to wait and see if they make one that big in the Charger2 platform...... or lay off the Cannoli, Tiramisu, and Ricotta Cheesecake at Trevi's..... :lol:




Enough to play in the snow!
View user's profile View All Posts By User
BeamerBob


Avatar


Posts: 8169
Registered: 5-11-2007
Location: Down on the bayou
Member Is Offline


[*] posted on 12-9-2011 at 10:50 AM


Actually they DO make a 24 Charger. You don't have 2 already? :lol: :saint:



Coastal Wind Sports Team Rider
Landsegler Disc wheels
PTW Hero Buggy - XXtreme ApeXX Buggy US 88 - Libre Hardcore
IvanpahBuggyExpo.com
Youtube link
Bob Muse
HQ Montana VIII 8m, HQ Ignition LEI 5m, HQ Prodigy 3.4m, 10.5m
PL Phantom 6m, 12m, 15m, Big Blu 24m+, Synergy 10m, Venom 10m, 13m , Phantom II 6m, Vapors 2.7, 3.2, 3.8, 4.5, 5.4, Crosskite Sonic 7m, PKD Combat 10.3m
Uturn Butane 2.5m PKD Buster 3m Genetrix Hydra 7m Ozone Yakuza GT 14m
View user's profile Visit user's homepage View All Posts By User
awindofchange




Posts: 1939
Registered: 3-14-2006
Location: Salt Lake City, Utah
Member Is Offline

Mood: Awesome - totally awesome

[*] posted on 12-9-2011 at 01:42 PM


I think Brian has a 19m Charger. Get with him and give it a go. Nothing like trying before you buy. :)



View user's profile Visit user's homepage View All Posts By User
tridude




Posts: 4097
Registered: 10-20-2006
Location: South Carolina
Member Is Offline

Mood: Semper in excretum sum sed alta variat................alwayz in the crap but the depth varys.........

[*] posted on 1-3-2012 at 08:48 PM


thinking back to our semi skunked Edisto session on the 19m V I would go with the 19 CH..................Phree holds down his 15m CH in to the low 20s at 200 lbs.................I had the 19m VI out in 20 mph winds and had no isues. I was 190ish at the time. I had her a bit depowered but was vrry comfy..........add the correct board and you wont be skunked often if at all..................



17m Ozone Zephyr (2012)
15m Flysurfer Silver Arrow 2
12m Ozone Catalyst (2013)
10m Ozone Catalyst (2012)
MTH Colonel Reb customs 160x45 carbon, 141x43 wood
Wainman Joke & Demitri Pro
11'6 Naish Nalu
6' Davo Fish
View user's profile View All Posts By User
tridude




Posts: 4097
Registered: 10-20-2006
Location: South Carolina
Member Is Offline

Mood: Semper in excretum sum sed alta variat................alwayz in the crap but the depth varys.........

[*] posted on 1-3-2012 at 08:53 PM


If you go Matrixx go with the 15......................this will get you out in the lower teens and once you get into the mid 20s your 12m Syn comes into play.........................



17m Ozone Zephyr (2012)
15m Flysurfer Silver Arrow 2
12m Ozone Catalyst (2013)
10m Ozone Catalyst (2012)
MTH Colonel Reb customs 160x45 carbon, 141x43 wood
Wainman Joke & Demitri Pro
11'6 Naish Nalu
6' Davo Fish
View user's profile View All Posts By User
BeamerBob


Avatar


Posts: 8169
Registered: 5-11-2007
Location: Down on the bayou
Member Is Offline


[*] posted on 1-3-2012 at 10:36 PM


I'll be giving the Coastal Wind Sports 19m Charger a try as a loaner. I figure I'm good for 15 to 25 with it and the right board. Tridude I think you are right that I should be able to ride the 19 till the 12 kicks in.



Coastal Wind Sports Team Rider
Landsegler Disc wheels
PTW Hero Buggy - XXtreme ApeXX Buggy US 88 - Libre Hardcore
IvanpahBuggyExpo.com
Youtube link
Bob Muse
HQ Montana VIII 8m, HQ Ignition LEI 5m, HQ Prodigy 3.4m, 10.5m
PL Phantom 6m, 12m, 15m, Big Blu 24m+, Synergy 10m, Venom 10m, 13m , Phantom II 6m, Vapors 2.7, 3.2, 3.8, 4.5, 5.4, Crosskite Sonic 7m, PKD Combat 10.3m
Uturn Butane 2.5m PKD Buster 3m Genetrix Hydra 7m Ozone Yakuza GT 14m
View user's profile Visit user's homepage View All Posts By User
AD72




Posts: 1080
Registered: 2-4-2009
Location: Davis, CA
Member Is Offline


[*] posted on 1-3-2012 at 11:04 PM


You would need some serious wind on a twintip or be on a floaty surfboard to have the 12 kick in.
View user's profile Visit user's homepage View All Posts By User
BeamerBob


Avatar


Posts: 8169
Registered: 5-11-2007
Location: Down on the bayou
Member Is Offline


[*] posted on 1-3-2012 at 11:56 PM


I remember laserman talking about how the 12 charger was overpowering him in 30-32 mph that day at Alameda. So I figure 25 or so to be the beginning of the 12 working as fast as it turns. Hopefully I can find out this summer how they all fit together.



Coastal Wind Sports Team Rider
Landsegler Disc wheels
PTW Hero Buggy - XXtreme ApeXX Buggy US 88 - Libre Hardcore
IvanpahBuggyExpo.com
Youtube link
Bob Muse
HQ Montana VIII 8m, HQ Ignition LEI 5m, HQ Prodigy 3.4m, 10.5m
PL Phantom 6m, 12m, 15m, Big Blu 24m+, Synergy 10m, Venom 10m, 13m , Phantom II 6m, Vapors 2.7, 3.2, 3.8, 4.5, 5.4, Crosskite Sonic 7m, PKD Combat 10.3m
Uturn Butane 2.5m PKD Buster 3m Genetrix Hydra 7m Ozone Yakuza GT 14m
View user's profile Visit user's homepage View All Posts By User
tridude




Posts: 4097
Registered: 10-20-2006
Location: South Carolina
Member Is Offline

Mood: Semper in excretum sum sed alta variat................alwayz in the crap but the depth varys.........

[*] posted on 1-4-2012 at 05:14 AM


Quote:
Originally posted by AD72
You would need some serious wind on a twintip or be on a floaty surfboard to have the 12 kick in.


or skill..................I rode that kite in 17/18 mph and had no problem going....................lol actually my KGB is a great all round board with very nice low end.................I used to ride a 13m Venom is 13/14 mph on the same TT.........................




17m Ozone Zephyr (2012)
15m Flysurfer Silver Arrow 2
12m Ozone Catalyst (2013)
10m Ozone Catalyst (2012)
MTH Colonel Reb customs 160x45 carbon, 141x43 wood
Wainman Joke & Demitri Pro
11'6 Naish Nalu
6' Davo Fish
View user's profile View All Posts By User
Mostly Harmless




Posts: 104
Registered: 11-5-2010
Location: New York
Member Is Offline

Mood: Need a kiting fix...asap

[*] posted on 1-4-2012 at 05:17 AM


How does the Charger 19m compare to the FS Speed 3 19m?



2010 Crazyfly Raptor Pro
2010 Crazyfly Lightwind Crusier
6m Ozone Catalyst
8m Ozone Catalyst
10m Zian Aquila
10m Ozone C4
12m Ozone Catalyst (x2)
17m Ozone Zypher (x2)

IKO Certified Instructor
View user's profile View All Posts By User
tridude




Posts: 4097
Registered: 10-20-2006
Location: South Carolina
Member Is Offline

Mood: Semper in excretum sum sed alta variat................alwayz in the crap but the depth varys.........

[*] posted on 1-4-2012 at 05:39 AM


Quote:
Originally posted by Mostly Harmless
How does the Charger 19m compare to the FS Speed 3 19m?


low end? turn speed? upwind? lift? float?.................




17m Ozone Zephyr (2012)
15m Flysurfer Silver Arrow 2
12m Ozone Catalyst (2013)
10m Ozone Catalyst (2012)
MTH Colonel Reb customs 160x45 carbon, 141x43 wood
Wainman Joke & Demitri Pro
11'6 Naish Nalu
6' Davo Fish
View user's profile View All Posts By User
Mostly Harmless




Posts: 104
Registered: 11-5-2010
Location: New York
Member Is Offline

Mood: Need a kiting fix...asap

[*] posted on 1-4-2012 at 07:19 AM


Low wind conditions, what will get you up on plane in the lowest of wind?



2010 Crazyfly Raptor Pro
2010 Crazyfly Lightwind Crusier
6m Ozone Catalyst
8m Ozone Catalyst
10m Zian Aquila
10m Ozone C4
12m Ozone Catalyst (x2)
17m Ozone Zypher (x2)

IKO Certified Instructor
View user's profile View All Posts By User
tridude




Posts: 4097
Registered: 10-20-2006
Location: South Carolina
Member Is Offline

Mood: Semper in excretum sum sed alta variat................alwayz in the crap but the depth varys.........

[*] posted on 1-4-2012 at 07:33 AM


Flysurfer SA/SA2/SA3 reins supreme in this department.......................when I weighed 195lbs I was upwind and jumping in 10 mph winds on the 19m SA2.....checkout the forum gallery.......................pics tell the story


also the older 17m Psycho 3 had great low end as well if you can find on of those...................attatched is a low wind vid of mine on the 17m SA with Powerzone 1.5 mod.........................winds were 10 to 12 kts tops.................

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UhWxscpv1Uk




17m Ozone Zephyr (2012)
15m Flysurfer Silver Arrow 2
12m Ozone Catalyst (2013)
10m Ozone Catalyst (2012)
MTH Colonel Reb customs 160x45 carbon, 141x43 wood
Wainman Joke & Demitri Pro
11'6 Naish Nalu
6' Davo Fish
View user's profile View All Posts By User
Mostly Harmless




Posts: 104
Registered: 11-5-2010
Location: New York
Member Is Offline

Mood: Need a kiting fix...asap

[*] posted on 1-4-2012 at 10:10 AM


Awesome video. My 17m will fly around 12-13 knots with my crazyfly lightwind cruiser but I would really like to take advantage of the summer light wind days here. I guess I need to start saving for the FS Speed 3 19m.



2010 Crazyfly Raptor Pro
2010 Crazyfly Lightwind Crusier
6m Ozone Catalyst
8m Ozone Catalyst
10m Zian Aquila
10m Ozone C4
12m Ozone Catalyst (x2)
17m Ozone Zypher (x2)

IKO Certified Instructor
View user's profile View All Posts By User

  Go To Top

Hosted by: Mad Moose Studio