joedy
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Initial For Sale posts - Make uneditable
Would it be possible to make an initial For Sale listing uneditable? Some sellers are removing their posts or their asking prices when they sell their
items.
Making their initial listing uneditable would allow PKF to keep a "history" or permanent record (of sorts) of what past selling amounts have been for
particular items.
This will help power kiters have a way of researching either asking prices or negotiating current offers.
-joedy
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erratic winds
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I believe users do that to not kill resale value just because someone might have unloaded a nice kite for a steal. One fire sale shouldn't
necessarily be able to drive market prices from then on, in my opinion.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by joedy
Making their initial listing uneditable would allow PKF to keep a "history" or permanent record (of sorts) of what past selling amounts have been for
particular items.
This will help power kiters have a way of researching either asking prices or negotiating current offers.
-joedy |
Why block editing ? Tracking resale values ? Trying to turn a buck ? Wanting to hold someone's feet to the fire ? Yeah, those are ALL very bad ideas
around this bunch
The market today on a particular item may be completely different than six months from now. Let's just trust folks judgement about what is or is not a
good value for their dollar.
Particularly bad idea as edits allow easy updates on "sold" items and price drops at the top of the page.
I was far more concerned with trader reputation and found the "Good Trader List" was a far more valuable tool. After several flawless transactions
with members on the forum I feel fully confident there is little to fear in terms of misrepresented product. These guys police their own very
effectively. 
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indigo_wolf
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| Quote: | Originally posted by joedy
Would it be possible to make an initial For Sale listing uneditable? Some sellers are removing their posts or their asking prices when they sell their
items.
Making their initial listing uneditable would allow PKF to keep a "history" or permanent record (of sorts) of what past selling amounts have been for
particular items.
This will help power kiters have a way of researching either asking prices or negotiating current offers.
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The problem with making posts uneditable is that it would apply to all posts, not just those in the "For Sale" section. I am on at least one forum
that makes posts unavailable for edit past the first 10-20 minutes after it is initially made..... it's a royal PITA. Mostly with regards to
responding to technical questions or for the OCD-tainted that go back and correctly spelling/grammer errors weeks... even months later  .
It's not a technical issue, it's a cultural thing. There are other forums where people leave prices (even incremental price drops) up.
For clarification:People can't delete their posts or other people's posts.
People can edit there posts down to nothing.
People can't edit other people's posts (except for moderators).
Think about that that slowly and carefully... there are two solutions for your complaint that don't require admin/moderator intervention or
forum changes.... and at least one of them will tend to piss off some people.
| Quote: | Originally posted by erratic winds
I believe users do that to not kill resale value just because someone might have unloaded a nice kite for a steal. One fire sale shouldn't
necessarily be able to drive market prices from then on, in my opinion. |
IMHO, a thoroughly ridiculous notion.
Previous sales are a guideline and nothing more. If there are 5 sales for an item and the prices are all over the place, it's quite obvious
that some of them are "fire" sales. More importantly, if you actually read the full listings and you see that people are selling kites because they
are moving or trying to fund another kite purchase, it's quite apparent when pricing is being driven other factors above and beyond merchandise value.
Prior listings do help (a lot) when neither party is sure of what price is "fair." It's helped me and another seller on at least one other
forum.
In another case, it was a kite there are very, very few of in the US. The seller and I contact 3 other long time flyers and asked for their opinions
on "fair market value".... just like prior listings, there opinions were just used as guidelines.... the final deliberation
was between me and the seller.
No one's going to get struck lightning for deviating from any perceived guidelines from prior listings. We're all grown-ups and should be able to
suss out pricing anomalies in prior listings without the need to artifically obfuscate them.
Feel like someone is "holding your feet to the fire" (regardless of what side of the transaction you are on)? Walk away... negotiations are not a
binding committment here or anywhere else. As long as you are clear in your communications about turning down an offer, that should be the end of the
matter.
"Drive down the market price"? When did kites become pork belly futures?
As far as someone editing/"marking up"/"marking down" a kite after the sale, I expect that would immediately redline the bulls|t meter with
pyrotechnic results.
ATB,
Sam
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B-Roc
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I have asked in the past here too that sellers not delete the asking price of the kite after it is sold. If you sell it for less or make a private
deal, that is between you and the buyer but I would ask all sellers to LEAVE the original or last posted price in their post after the sale. It makes
benchmarking a lot easier when it comes to selling your own kites of the same or similar size / model. I don't sell a lot of kites but I have sold my
share and I always try to base my asking price on what I paid and what other similar kites have sold for. When all the asking prices are removed it
makes it hard to determine fair market value in the current economy.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by B-Roc
... I would ask all sellers to LEAVE the original or last posted price in their post after the sale. It makes benchmarking a lot easier when it comes
to selling your own kites of the same or similar size / model. I don't sell a lot of kites but I have sold my share and I always try to base my
asking price on what I paid and what other similar kites have sold for. When all the asking prices are removed it makes it hard to determine fair
market value in the current economy. |
What he said.
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joedy
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B-Roc summaries my rationale in asking that the selling price (or, if possible) if the original listing can remain intact. It's not an intent to make
or find a kite windfall, but knowing what the market has borne for a specific kite model makes it possible to post realistic prices or to negotiate
fair prices.
Sam mentions that the software tools to do this must be applied universally and that obviously won't (and shouldn't) stand muster with the vast
majority of regulars who hang out at PKF. So, this answers my initial question.
If a user quotes the original listing, won't the quoted speech be listed in posterity?
-joedy
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indigo_wolf
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| Quote: | Originally posted by joedy
If a user quotes the original listing, won't the quoted speech be listed in posterity?
-joedy |
If you quote the original posting, than only you or a moderator can edit/delete that quoted text.
That's what I was alluding to in the paragraph that begins "Think about that that slowly and carefully... "
Fur may fly, feathers may ruffle, but I don't think the stars are in any danger of falling from the sky.
ATB,
Sam
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pkf
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There are suficient reasons to leave the original post editable. Also we tend to remove for sale threads older than 3 months - gonna get to that one
of these days.
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