Hi there,

I missed out on a flexifoil rage..it went for £140 on ebay :@.

I've since then discovered a new kite, titled "Pansh Ace 7.0" it looks promising and fun...(and cheap aswell :p) I just want to ask you guys what your thoughts are on this kite? and how much i should pay for it..

thank you, any help is appreciated as always..

bye for now.

hello I have just got the blaze 7 and I love it... I do believe the ace is a "race" type kite with an aspect ratio of 4.66 which is high ,so is more powerful and a bit more flighty than the Blaze to handle go on to the web site www.pansh.com and they are £156.87 RTF and FREE Del and a FREE Flux 2.0mt (no handles or lines with the free one) I ordered mine on Sunday and it arrived on Friday....
video link of it http://www.panshkite.com/video/ lot of kite for your money

I think you need to read more about these kites. You will certainly end up hurt if you buy that kite. You need to stay around2.5m -3.0m for your first fixed bridle kite.When you learn to NOT get spanked in all kinds of wind ,THEN you will be ready for something bigger.

thank you for your replies.

thank you for the information and the link nomad, but the vidoes dont work for me :@

weldngod - I wont be flying it in high winds, i think max winds ill get around here is about 6-10mph, I have a 2.2m kite, which i use at the beach :D..

bye for now

I you get that ACE ,be very careful. We have had numerous serious injuries w/ those. The MOST dangerous kite I own is a little red 2m ACE !

Hmm, could you tell me why please? ..thats actually quite frightening :o

Thanks as always.

the rage and the ace are nothing alike. The rage is more of a lower aspect kite where the ace is a higher aspect kite. The rage is made by flexifoil so it is made to top quality standards. The ace is made by pansh and they have no quality standards.

If I were looking for a new kite on a budget I would be patient and find a quality used kite I could afford.

Very high lift kite.My 2m can throw you like a piece of styrofoam in a gust! But it has zero float........... You will get more float w/ a big one, but you also get ALOT more power and risk. Recently NJLandboarder had a 5m Ace and ended up in a back brace! There have been a few others over the yrs. that have been spanked by the ACE. And a few injured by 'em.
What exactly are you're intentions as far as kiting? Buggy? board?

Dak - I knew quality would be an issue, however.. I plan on taking the kite out 3-4 times a year maximum. this is because local to where i live there are no high speed winds, we usually go on a weekend away to the coast. I dont want to spend too much either, as Im not going to be doing it alot..

weldngod-kitebuggy,recreational,jumping. as i said before, only a few times a year. I'll get a harness,helmet, ground held rope etc..I just want to go through the thrill, in the 3-4 chances that we get.

Thank you for responding guys..

bye for now

small kites are perfect for starting out, provided you fly them in light winds and slowly work your way up--i'll give you an example of how even these small kites can be deadly..... 2 days ago me and a bud were flying --buggying, actually in 20mph winds with a 2.7 pl viper and we both fly as good as anyone on this site......even with all our skill, it was hard to control the kite as the winds are always gusty around here and my bud had a small obe and i had the buggy on 2 wheels a few times (not planned) the pull for even that size kite was incredible --so be careful--even the small kites can be dangerous in gusty/strong winds.....

now, now.......
the rage and the ace are nothing alike. The rage is more of a lower aspect kite where the ace is a higher aspect kite. The rage is made by flexifoil so it is made to top quality standards. The ace is made by pansh and they have no quality standards.
Claws in........;-)
Thats a sweeping statement if ever I have seen one.. Nowt wrong with the quality of my Pansh's thank you very much, in some areas they are better than my HQ beamer.......But you get what name you pay for I suppose!

I have a small kite already, but ive grown out of it.. :S its boring. I want a decent jump with soft landing, with a budget of £150 maximum.

thanks again..

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Originally posted by RePT Dak - I knew quality would be an issue, however.. I plan on taking the kite out 3-4 times a year maximum. this is because local to where i live there are no high speed winds, we usually go on a weekend away to the coast. I dont want to spend too much either, as Im not going to be doing it alot.. weldngod-kitebuggy,recreational,jumping. as i said before, only a few times a year. I'll get a harness,helmet, ground held rope etc..I just want to go through the thrill, in the 3-4 chances that we get. Thank you for responding guys.. bye for now

Please tell me that you meant something to park the kite with not something to hold you.:o

The ace is like a blade on meth, Powerful with great lift but twitchy and undependable also likely to mug you for your pocket change.

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Originally posted by RePT ground held rope etc..

If you mean "tie one end to the ground and the other to yourself and the kite", please, PLEASE do not do this. Injury is nearly certain to occur.

AWCH. no no not like that(lmao) ..I mean like someone holding it and letting it run along with me then drawing it back in slowly :p AWCH again at that video!

Thanks for showing me that though, must admit ..I might have considered doing that!

my best friend was lifted higher than a billboard sign, we have a photo of it somewhere. that kite is really powerful but not the most predictable kite on the market. you can learn any kite by starting in very low wind conditions, its when people make bad choices and decide to fly in stronger winds, or with an unexpected gust that can put you in harms way. good luck on your search

strong wind, no skills, no protect gear, bad decision day to fly this kite=noob................... moral to this story dont be a noob and heed above advice.................

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-HWJ33JQuAc

DON'T EVER tie a rope to you with the intent of someone else holding it, paying it out and reeling it in or whatever. Instinct is to grab on tight and that will get both of you hurt or killed.

Read the comments posted on that vid and decide if you want to be the ridiculed, trying to defend what you did or if you want to be the wiser "Why on earth did you do that" guy.

Me? A 20 foot flight and thrown to the ground by a 3 meter kite.....my "trainer" kite. We've all got stories and you will too no matter what you do so why set yourself up for it right from the get-go? Work your way up - you'll still get spanked by your little kites soon enough. Just hope you're lucky like me and not like others here that really paid the price.

We here at PKF care about you but also for our beloved addiction. The more people going out and doing risky things, the more likely our sport gets a bad rep and we're no longer able to fly in our parks, beaches or lakes.

my favorite thing about kiting is jumping really high in the air. I had to work my way up to boosting really big, but I also crashed a lot in the beginning, and i still crash alot. the trick is learning how your kites react in the wind you are experiencing and know how to crash and slide so that you do not get hurt. you will not land perfectly on your feet or board everytime, the trick is knowing when its ok to take your kite out, and when it is time to pack up and go home. take the advice of the guys tht are on here, some have been hurt pretty bad. Don't be scared away from jumping like some guys are, just know that theer is a lot of risk, and you must practice a lot to get to a point of knowing your limits.

having good gear vs sketchy gear makes a huge difference in your learning curve. a cheap kite can give you lots of power, but maybe not lots of control

be careful, have fun, and fly:Ange09:

the rope would be tied to the harness, not on my body :S.. if this is a bad idea, then how do people stop themselves from going super high :o..i appreciate the advice very much guys.

I have found a pansh ace 7.0m (ill be flying in low low winds) for £100(GBP) anyone know if this is a good deal? it is used but in top condition.

thanks again

You have to know a thing or two about kite dynamics to know why ropes don't work. The only time it should ever be possibly considered, is in the hands of a professional, with a strong steady wind, a constant updraft (like over dunes), a depower kite, and top notch safety gear. You do not have any of the above.

Kites do not pull straight up. They do not set you straight back down. In order to produce pull and lift, a kite must be in motion. After you get yourself into the air, you have to redirect the kite to the opposite direction from whence it came so that it continues lifting just enough to get you back down safely. When you're stuck at the end of a rope, the ways you can move your kite are very limited. Even after you redirect, IF you redirect, since you are at the end of a line and not going with the kite, you'll most likely plummet instead of float. The only thing that would keep you in the air would be a strong updraft. Anything involving a power kite (ESPECIALLY A PANSH), a rope, and an anchor is probably a bad idea. Not to mention, the "slingshot effect" you saw in the video above where the handles were yanked out of his hands so hard that the kite killers snapped.

Another thing. 3-4 sessions a year is not enough to learn to fly any 7m kite. Especially if you're concerned that you will be flying in enough wind that you'll need an anchor and rope to keep you from taking off. The difference in power between a 2.2m kite and a 7m kite is enormous. I've had a few years of kiting experience, and I managed to mangle my wrist when I was safely flying a 4.1m Twister II. A 7m Pansh? That quadruples the risk factor... I don't mean to be oppressive, I'm just telling you like it is...

thank you for the advice/information.

I wont be flying this 7m in high winds, and certainly not in speeds where i would consider anchoring myself to a rope. I hope to fly this kite in low winds only, ill use my 2.2m to drag me about(and it does in high winds)

I want a big kite because in my area, the wind levels are always low..and a small kite just wont work,(well my 2.2 doesnt).

do you think £100 is a good price for the pansh ace 7.0?
(the reason why im not going to buy a expensive one, such as flexifoil/pl/etc.. is because I simply wont be using it enough)

Thank you again, i really appreciate your responses.

In the simple answer to your question £100 is a very good price for an Ace... But a Blaze would be a better buy an Ace is a race derived kite for buggys and boards it is a speed power kite .... at the end of the day its up to you :dunno: but buy a helmet, gloves, pads, and defenitly kite killers and keep it in low wind if you are intent on getting it and good luck ;-)....

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Originally posted by WELDNGOD You will certainly end up hurt if you buy that kite.

:o

And so you know, I live in a place where you need big kites too - so I feel your pain. It was a conundrum for me but I had a bit more $$ on my side so I was able to get a very diverse quiver very quickly. The ONLY time I've ever used a rope to anchor a kite was the first day I launched my 7.5m Brooza. I was still new to the scene and unsure how much power the thing was gonna generate so I tied the kite killers off to a basketball pole - I was not wearing them. I was not connected to the kite in any way other than my hands holding the handles. I launched it, flew it, and landed it. Then untied it, donned the kite killers and proceeded to flood myself with the rush of flying such a smooth, powerful kite.

As for the Ace vs Blaze vs Legend vs Any Other Brand - Ace will get you ripping in the buggy but turn hot or wrong and it will LIFT you leaving the buggy behind. Blaze will get you ripping in the buggy and allow you to turn hot. Ditto for the Legend but the Legend will be more stable. Any other brand will do the same and they all have their own flight characteristics. Pansh has brought a lot of people into this addiction - kudos to them! You have come to a place where all we care is flying and flying safely. Kudos to you (and us ; )

Had an Ace. Scared by the lift. Sold the Ace.

AHHHHHHHHHHHHHH, I bought the Ace for £100!..

You guys have scared me :O!, i know its for my own safety/good..

I think ill just keep the ace in the shed, and stick with my 2.2m!

thank you for all your comments, your responses, advices and information. I really do appreciate it!

From wanting to run out there and fly with a kite, now I dont want one! (just kidding)

I'll let this thread die now! its been up at top for too long!

thanks again, bye for now!