I love my big new kite.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vruP8nvoYGk

how BIG is that...? something for a future release...? :wow:

It's a 24 proto, of what PL...? not enough looks at it to know. Synergy shape?

Looked like great fun, which can be more important than high speed. Use anything to help inflate that monster?

or...is it the New Ph*nt*m?

I'm confused. Hardwater posted a comment that said it was a 19m Flysurfer. The only "24m Big Blue" light wind machine I know of is a blue 24m Synergy... that was not a Synergy... :puzzled: New Phantom maybe? But I don't know how he'd have it.

Somewhere it said it was a prototype PL. It could be a synergy prototype but looks to be a higher AR than a Syn.

The 19m Flysurfer was the other kite Chris's wife was flying.

I'm not clear what model of arc that is. I'm as always stuck on how you can ride hard Ice and edge so well. Dude is one super ski tech as well as kiter !

Prototype big blue looks great!
Also, have you had the F-Arc out for any speed runs? Any comments on how it flys??

X2 BR!!! I would never of thought skis would edge so well on hard ice as seen in Chris' other "high speed" video. They sure are capable of serious speed compared to skates.

Chris, What skis are you using?

CH II

the Phanny II will be higher AR and be more like the original w/ improvements

starting gossip. :moon:

Well that's just it. It looks like the underside of a Phantom, and it definitely has the AR to be one, but there's conflicting labels... One says a 24m "Big Blue" light wind machine, AKA PL Synergy... Another (read his comment) says it's actually a 19m SA DLX. It definitely is not a 24m Synergy. Maybe it really is a SA DLX? I'm not ready to rule it a Phanny II yet.

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Originally posted by Seanny Well that's just it. It looks like the underside of a Phantom, and it definitely has the AR to be one, but there's conflicting labels... One says a 24m "Big Blue" light wind machine, AKA PL Synergy... Another (read his comment) says it's actually a 19m SA DLX. It definitely is not a 24m Synergy. Maybe it really is a SA DLX? I'm not ready to rule it a Phanny II yet.

You gotta understand that BOTH kites are in the vid. A PL proto and a flysurfer. His wife is riding the FS. He is riding the PL proto.

Oh I thought that was his FARC prototype ... nice to see an arc rolling in that low wind though!

Guys don't jump to conclusions so easily. It's not exactly what you think

its starting to sound like a conspiracy to keep us really on the edge of our seats from all the PL Folk. Come on guys if we tie them up they will have no choice but to tell us their secrets.

Of course both kites are in the vid, but he had a comment... Which, for some reason is not there anymore... That said something along the lines of,
"
1) This is actually a 19m SA DLX
2) Don't ever post your wife's weight if you know what's good for you.
"
Did anyone else see this? It looked to me like he was referring to his own kite. That's why I am confused. But either way, it's definitely not a Synergy. And he said it isn't the Phantom 2. :x

It's so awesome to see an arc with a better low end than a flysurfer..............:D

Feyd, what angle do you tune your edges to for kiting on ice like that... 88, 87 or ??

Yea Feyd let out some trade secrets! I set up one pair stone ground flat with 85 bevel the whole length , another flat with 90 the first and last 10" mid section 87 , another flat with 85 the whole length and just touched the first and last 10" with fine steel wool am I close or are you saying WTF!

Chris, don't let too many people know what it is! Let me know how my sewing holds up. When I was completing it I didn't have in mind you might rack up tons of miles flying it. Looks like you'll put it to good use! Thanks for sharing, good to see it in action! Always fun to see something come to life!

That comment makes me think it's two f-arc 1200's sewn together for some reason....

Would that work? :o

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Originally posted by rudeboysaude Chris, don't let too many people know what it is! Let me know how my sewing holds up. When I was completing it I didn't have in mind you might rack up tons of miles flying it. Looks like you'll put it to good use! Thanks for sharing, good to see it in action! Always fun to see something come to life!

Ok enough suspense. What is it?

getting closer to the truth. lovin the suspense.

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Originally posted by ripsessionkites getting closer to the truth. lovin the suspense.

Great job on the kite BTW!

I'm kind of stuck on calling the other kite a 19m SA DLX....why? I thought Silver Arrow & DLX were the same material?

Okay, okay I'll let some of the cats out of some of the bags.

In order.....

1) The kite, a G2 proto. Yes, a Guerilla 2. Nice work Rudeboy, I hope she holds together. I may have to look into stouter pockets but for now I love her! The fabric seems funky and she weighs 7.5lbs with the spars so She may be lighter than what one would expect.
2) Can't share my tuning secrets but I will say that it can only be done by hand. I will also add that for most clean ice a 88/0 will hold an edge on all but the hardest ice and will last the longest. My edge will burn out in about an hour of agressive skiing and I usually tune the life out of 2 or 3 pairs of skis a year. Also, there is a certain amount of strength required to ski my edge as you have to actively disengage it whenever you need to stop or turn. There is no relaxing involved with riding my skis.
3) I ski SG/DH skis supplied by Rossignol. My favorite was a pair of hand me downs from Picabo Street but I killed them riding today. The base came off which is a common occurence with our kite speed skis. I could only have tuned them maybe one more time so no great lose. I have to mount another ski in the morning.
4) Oh, don't mess with the steel wool. Razor shape tip to tale with no detune is part of the equation. Of course that makes for a burly ride if you aren't careful. :o
5) I haven't gotten out on the Farcs yet. Still waiting for the right day and waiting to get a little stronger. Looking forward to it tho!
6) Silver arrow deluxe are spec'd differently with custom colors and blah blah blah. Basically it got us a 19m P4 SA that is colored in a way that if you stay below treeline nobody will see you. I have my reasons.

So, I'm glad everyone had fun trying to guess the kite. She really is a dream to fly. Maybe Peter Lynn should offer a kite like thgis? Sort of a lightwind only wing ala Ozone's Zephyr but that actually flies with a 200+ rider?

Thanks Chris for the info. I knew the 85 angle was sharp but it surprised me that 88 will hold. My almost 13 year old clocked 32 mph on Oneida lake today with my 5.3 PL viper , he's a natural, you'll have to talk to him at Kitestorm.

32mph is pretty zippy. Damn I wish I had kites when I was 13! Then again kites available then probably would have been quite as user friendly way back then. I'd love to meet the kid, he sounds like he's into it.

Yes an 88 will hold well as long as it's a smooth and sharp tip to tail. Smooth edges are key.

How are the conditions on Oneida? I've never ridden there and was thinking about heading over that way to check it out.

The wind is gonna nuke today at about 4mph. Gonna bust out Big Blue and do some cruisin. I may try my big F-Arc and see how that goes. Psyched!

Wow - low wind and low end on a G2? Hardly seems possible. What did you do it, Aaron? Did you release the rear strap from the center cells and relax the trailing edge? C'mon, let on...

Up here on Chequamegon Bay in WI with a couple front-bridled arcs, waiting for the rain to stop and some wind to appear.

krumly