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thanson2001ok
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Skate recommendations and sourcing
Newbie question from a newbie... I just took up kite skiing and dang, winter ended way to early and the snow is gone and the lake will be open in
days.
I have GOT to get into skating but struggling with research on what the gold standard is for skates. There do not seem to be many firms manufacturing
them any more.
So, two things... what skates do most use and where can you find them.
Thanks in advance.
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Ozone 4m, 10m AccessXC
PL 19m, 16m Venom | 10m, 13m Venom II | 17m Vortex | 2.6m Viper | 2.3m Vapor | 6m, 9m, 15m Phantom | 22m Guerilla
Flysurfer 8m, 12m DLX Unity |8m Outlaw| 19m Speed 2.5 SA | 2.5m, 6m Viron
Action Vortex 6.6m Foil (FOR SALE) | Mac Bego 600
Flexifoil 1.2m, 2.4m Sting | 6.6m Blade III
The Original Flexifoil and Hawaiian Team Kite
Snow: Volant Alpine Skis | SnowBlades | PL Ice Buggy | PL KiteSled Land: Coyote Skates | Ivanpah Buggy
Water: Peter Lynn KiteCat
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Kamikuza
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You mean like Rollerblade Coyotes or like regular inline skates?
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thanson2001ok
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Good question. Off road/all terrain skates like Coyotes.
Todd... NAPKA US59 \"Have you taught a kid to fly lately?\"
Ozone 4m, 10m AccessXC
PL 19m, 16m Venom | 10m, 13m Venom II | 17m Vortex | 2.6m Viper | 2.3m Vapor | 6m, 9m, 15m Phantom | 22m Guerilla
Flysurfer 8m, 12m DLX Unity |8m Outlaw| 19m Speed 2.5 SA | 2.5m, 6m Viron
Action Vortex 6.6m Foil (FOR SALE) | Mac Bego 600
Flexifoil 1.2m, 2.4m Sting | 6.6m Blade III
The Original Flexifoil and Hawaiian Team Kite
Snow: Volant Alpine Skis | SnowBlades | PL Ice Buggy | PL KiteSled Land: Coyote Skates | Ivanpah Buggy
Water: Peter Lynn KiteCat
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Kamikuza
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Nobody makes them anymore IIRC. There's things like Trailskates which come close ...
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thanson2001ok
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So do interested fliers just troll e-bay, craigs list, ect. for used skates?
Todd... NAPKA US59 \"Have you taught a kid to fly lately?\"
Ozone 4m, 10m AccessXC
PL 19m, 16m Venom | 10m, 13m Venom II | 17m Vortex | 2.6m Viper | 2.3m Vapor | 6m, 9m, 15m Phantom | 22m Guerilla
Flysurfer 8m, 12m DLX Unity |8m Outlaw| 19m Speed 2.5 SA | 2.5m, 6m Viron
Action Vortex 6.6m Foil (FOR SALE) | Mac Bego 600
Flexifoil 1.2m, 2.4m Sting | 6.6m Blade III
The Original Flexifoil and Hawaiian Team Kite
Snow: Volant Alpine Skis | SnowBlades | PL Ice Buggy | PL KiteSled Land: Coyote Skates | Ivanpah Buggy
Water: Peter Lynn KiteCat
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Kamikuza
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Yeah pretty much - a few guys here mention when they turn up on eBay but it's once in a blue moon ... and always sizes too small for me 
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thanson2001ok
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What size do you need? I will be watching and can let you know if I find any. I wear US 9.
Todd... NAPKA US59 \"Have you taught a kid to fly lately?\"
Ozone 4m, 10m AccessXC
PL 19m, 16m Venom | 10m, 13m Venom II | 17m Vortex | 2.6m Viper | 2.3m Vapor | 6m, 9m, 15m Phantom | 22m Guerilla
Flysurfer 8m, 12m DLX Unity |8m Outlaw| 19m Speed 2.5 SA | 2.5m, 6m Viron
Action Vortex 6.6m Foil (FOR SALE) | Mac Bego 600
Flexifoil 1.2m, 2.4m Sting | 6.6m Blade III
The Original Flexifoil and Hawaiian Team Kite
Snow: Volant Alpine Skis | SnowBlades | PL Ice Buggy | PL KiteSled Land: Coyote Skates | Ivanpah Buggy
Water: Peter Lynn KiteCat
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Kamikuza
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US 13 or so ... check your U2u's 
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lad
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There is some Dutch company (can't remember the name right now) that makes what looks like coyote knockoffs. They're sometimes on eBay and you can
order direct. I posted a pic and a link here last year somewhere - search here on coyote(s) for the past year
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Bladerunner
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I have been riding Coyotes for almost 3 years and this trip to NABX will mark the 1st time I will ever have ridden in a pack ! 
YES ,
I troll Ebay for good deals on Coyote rollerblades. Use the search words Coyote rollerblade and off road skates. That company Lad refers to is the
only one I know of making them.
The good news..... There are a good # selling on Ebay so if you are size 12 U.S. or less it shouldn't take forever. These skates fit on the small
size. Go up one size but don't go down a size. They usually go for under $200 and are extremely well built.
I LOVE my Coyotes and find they are a pretty good cross over from skis.
You can Fab " wheels of Doom " these are the way to go if you simply want to go high speed. I feel a lot safer jumping with my Coyotes.
We are out in left field . Even here on the dark side. But trust me ! You will enjoy Coyotes if you Love snowkiting ! 
P.S. there is a dude selling size 10 ( not that common ) on Ebay right now. His starting price of $200 is the highest I have ever seen 
Kites: 2.5m Profoil , Quadrifoil XL kitesurfer, NPW 5 Danger.
Flexifoil: 1.7m Sting, 4.9m Blade 3, 9m Blade 2.
Flysurfer : 19m Speed 2 SA, 7m Pulse
Peter Lynn :18m Phantom, 15m Synergy, 10m Synergy, 1200 Farc, 460 Sarc, 130 Tarc, 5m Peel, 4.2m , 6.4, 8.5 C-Quads, 3.5 LS2 single skin.
Rides: Flexi / P.L. Frankin'Buggy , Shaped + straight skiis, sand skis, Coyote blades. Core 95 ATB. RKB R2 ATB .
Ken (K2)
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thanson2001ok
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Thanks for the insight gents.
A question regarding Coyotes, can you carve with them. I read something about only three wheels making them hard to turn.
Todd... NAPKA US59 \"Have you taught a kid to fly lately?\"
Ozone 4m, 10m AccessXC
PL 19m, 16m Venom | 10m, 13m Venom II | 17m Vortex | 2.6m Viper | 2.3m Vapor | 6m, 9m, 15m Phantom | 22m Guerilla
Flysurfer 8m, 12m DLX Unity |8m Outlaw| 19m Speed 2.5 SA | 2.5m, 6m Viron
Action Vortex 6.6m Foil (FOR SALE) | Mac Bego 600
Flexifoil 1.2m, 2.4m Sting | 6.6m Blade III
The Original Flexifoil and Hawaiian Team Kite
Snow: Volant Alpine Skis | SnowBlades | PL Ice Buggy | PL KiteSled Land: Coyote Skates | Ivanpah Buggy
Water: Peter Lynn KiteCat
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macboy
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You will not ever be disappointed with Coyotes. They are super nimble because of the short wheelbase and totally hold a line solid as can be. I have
never ridden them on anything but hard turf or sports field grass and never had a problem with them sliding out on me. If that's what you mean by
carving......if you mean can I carve nice curves then yes - they do that too ; )
I waited and waited for mine but ended up paying close to $300. You can find better deals but I got tired of waiting. Even at $300 I'd say they were
totally worth it. I think new retail was $4-500?
If you get some, pull the brake mechanism out - I found that the boot flex under a hard carve applied the brakes no matter how much I backed it off.
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Skis, Ski Skates, Nobile RM Pro, MBS Pro 90, Kailolo 5' 11" Custom Phish, Kailolo 5'9" Custom Phish, Plyboard, Proof 151,
FlydoorM, F-One 198, Coyotes, Comp XR+, and the BEST WIFE IN THE WORLD!
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thanson2001ok
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By carving, I meant being able to turn hard. Keeping a straight line is important, but being able to cut upwind or turn sharply/switchback was
something I want to be able to do.
Todd... NAPKA US59 \"Have you taught a kid to fly lately?\"
Ozone 4m, 10m AccessXC
PL 19m, 16m Venom | 10m, 13m Venom II | 17m Vortex | 2.6m Viper | 2.3m Vapor | 6m, 9m, 15m Phantom | 22m Guerilla
Flysurfer 8m, 12m DLX Unity |8m Outlaw| 19m Speed 2.5 SA | 2.5m, 6m Viron
Action Vortex 6.6m Foil (FOR SALE) | Mac Bego 600
Flexifoil 1.2m, 2.4m Sting | 6.6m Blade III
The Original Flexifoil and Hawaiian Team Kite
Snow: Volant Alpine Skis | SnowBlades | PL Ice Buggy | PL KiteSled Land: Coyote Skates | Ivanpah Buggy
Water: Peter Lynn KiteCat
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Kamikuza
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... interested in the link for the Coyote knock-offs ...!
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thanson2001ok
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I searched but did not find the link yet.
Todd... NAPKA US59 \"Have you taught a kid to fly lately?\"
Ozone 4m, 10m AccessXC
PL 19m, 16m Venom | 10m, 13m Venom II | 17m Vortex | 2.6m Viper | 2.3m Vapor | 6m, 9m, 15m Phantom | 22m Guerilla
Flysurfer 8m, 12m DLX Unity |8m Outlaw| 19m Speed 2.5 SA | 2.5m, 6m Viron
Action Vortex 6.6m Foil (FOR SALE) | Mac Bego 600
Flexifoil 1.2m, 2.4m Sting | 6.6m Blade III
The Original Flexifoil and Hawaiian Team Kite
Snow: Volant Alpine Skis | SnowBlades | PL Ice Buggy | PL KiteSled Land: Coyote Skates | Ivanpah Buggy
Water: Peter Lynn KiteCat
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Bladerunner
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YES ,
Coyotes carve. At least equal to skis. Doomwheeel require a step turn.
This isn't a great video but I am carving turns in it.
http://vimeo.com/6154435
Kites: 2.5m Profoil , Quadrifoil XL kitesurfer, NPW 5 Danger.
Flexifoil: 1.7m Sting, 4.9m Blade 3, 9m Blade 2.
Flysurfer : 19m Speed 2 SA, 7m Pulse
Peter Lynn :18m Phantom, 15m Synergy, 10m Synergy, 1200 Farc, 460 Sarc, 130 Tarc, 5m Peel, 4.2m , 6.4, 8.5 C-Quads, 3.5 LS2 single skin.
Rides: Flexi / P.L. Frankin'Buggy , Shaped + straight skiis, sand skis, Coyote blades. Core 95 ATB. RKB R2 ATB .
Ken (K2)
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Kamikuza
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Hey AJ you got/had a Kava too huh?
You don't mean these - http://www.crosskate.com/Images.html - or Terrablades do you, Lad?
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thanson2001ok
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OK, I found a pair of Coyotes.
Does everyone suggest pulling out the brakes?
Regarding kites, I have a Ozone Frenzy 5m. Thaink that is way too much?
Todd... NAPKA US59 \"Have you taught a kid to fly lately?\"
Ozone 4m, 10m AccessXC
PL 19m, 16m Venom | 10m, 13m Venom II | 17m Vortex | 2.6m Viper | 2.3m Vapor | 6m, 9m, 15m Phantom | 22m Guerilla
Flysurfer 8m, 12m DLX Unity |8m Outlaw| 19m Speed 2.5 SA | 2.5m, 6m Viron
Action Vortex 6.6m Foil (FOR SALE) | Mac Bego 600
Flexifoil 1.2m, 2.4m Sting | 6.6m Blade III
The Original Flexifoil and Hawaiian Team Kite
Snow: Volant Alpine Skis | SnowBlades | PL Ice Buggy | PL KiteSled Land: Coyote Skates | Ivanpah Buggy
Water: Peter Lynn KiteCat
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Maven454
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Depends on wind and weight. But generally a 5m Frenzy would be for higher winds, say 20+ mph
"I gave up on wind speeds... its either crappy, gravy, epic, or stupid... in that order"
--Drewculous
Ozone: Imp III Quattro 1m and 1.5m, Flow 2m, 3m, 4m, and 5m.
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PrairieWind
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The Dutch Skates are Nijdam skates,... as referenced in this thread..........
www.powerkiteforum.com/viewthread.php?tid=9133&page=1#pi...
Glad you found some Coyotes. I'm going to set to making some budget friendly terrablades for myself.
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lad
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Yes, Nijdam is it...I dunno how they compare quality-wise to Coyotes. I don't think my ankles take well to skates anyway. ;(
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Bladerunner
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| Quote: | Originally posted by thanson2001ok
OK, I found a pair of Coyotes.
Does everyone suggest pulling out the brakes?
Regarding kites, I have a Ozone Frenzy 5m. Thaink that is way too much? |
YES, I remove the brake completely.
The frenzy will be too small eventually, not too big but a good place to start! I fly everything from 2.5 to 19m on my Coyotes depending on the winds.
I'm thrilled you found a pair and certian you will enjoy them. Please let us know how you take to them.
Kites: 2.5m Profoil , Quadrifoil XL kitesurfer, NPW 5 Danger.
Flexifoil: 1.7m Sting, 4.9m Blade 3, 9m Blade 2.
Flysurfer : 19m Speed 2 SA, 7m Pulse
Peter Lynn :18m Phantom, 15m Synergy, 10m Synergy, 1200 Farc, 460 Sarc, 130 Tarc, 5m Peel, 4.2m , 6.4, 8.5 C-Quads, 3.5 LS2 single skin.
Rides: Flexi / P.L. Frankin'Buggy , Shaped + straight skiis, sand skis, Coyote blades. Core 95 ATB. RKB R2 ATB .
Ken (K2)
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PHREERIDER
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take off the brake it is a hindrance.
coyotes are fun, you want be disappointed!
they work something like this
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R6hulYnKPbs
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thanson2001ok
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Again, great insight. I love this forum.
I also have an Ozone Frenzy 7.5m. That should be better in lower winds.
Nice vid Phreerider.
I'll post once I get the Coyotes howling.
Todd... NAPKA US59 \"Have you taught a kid to fly lately?\"
Ozone 4m, 10m AccessXC
PL 19m, 16m Venom | 10m, 13m Venom II | 17m Vortex | 2.6m Viper | 2.3m Vapor | 6m, 9m, 15m Phantom | 22m Guerilla
Flysurfer 8m, 12m DLX Unity |8m Outlaw| 19m Speed 2.5 SA | 2.5m, 6m Viron
Action Vortex 6.6m Foil (FOR SALE) | Mac Bego 600
Flexifoil 1.2m, 2.4m Sting | 6.6m Blade III
The Original Flexifoil and Hawaiian Team Kite
Snow: Volant Alpine Skis | SnowBlades | PL Ice Buggy | PL KiteSled Land: Coyote Skates | Ivanpah Buggy
Water: Peter Lynn KiteCat
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Kamikuza
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| Quote: | Originally posted by thanson2001ok
OK, I found a pair of Coyotes.
Does everyone suggest pulling out the brakes?
Regarding kites, I have a Ozone Frenzy 5m. Thaink that is way too much? |
I hate you people with little girly-sized feet! 
You'll probably find you want a bigger kite so you can go faster in lighter winds too  
Good find!
Yeah... I got a kite. Or two...
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thanson2001ok
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Got the Coyotes yesterday. Was really bummed with their condition.  Must
have been a stock photo the guy took.
Regardless, had too much wind for the 5m Frenzy, too little for my 1m trainer. Looking for another kite and another day! I'll post when I do.
Hey, I need to add some air to the tires. Any recommendation on PSI?
So, still looking for size 9's.
Todd... NAPKA US59 \"Have you taught a kid to fly lately?\"
Ozone 4m, 10m AccessXC
PL 19m, 16m Venom | 10m, 13m Venom II | 17m Vortex | 2.6m Viper | 2.3m Vapor | 6m, 9m, 15m Phantom | 22m Guerilla
Flysurfer 8m, 12m DLX Unity |8m Outlaw| 19m Speed 2.5 SA | 2.5m, 6m Viron
Action Vortex 6.6m Foil (FOR SALE) | Mac Bego 600
Flexifoil 1.2m, 2.4m Sting | 6.6m Blade III
The Original Flexifoil and Hawaiian Team Kite
Snow: Volant Alpine Skis | SnowBlades | PL Ice Buggy | PL KiteSled Land: Coyote Skates | Ivanpah Buggy
Water: Peter Lynn KiteCat
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Bladerunner
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What a shame your 1st experience wasn't good. I remember mine. I was so friggin happy with them !
I just sort of pump by feel. I make them as hard as my little hand pump allows without damaging the little pump.
It must have been very windy for a 5m Frenzy to be too big ?
I'll keep an eye out for size9's for you.
Kites: 2.5m Profoil , Quadrifoil XL kitesurfer, NPW 5 Danger.
Flexifoil: 1.7m Sting, 4.9m Blade 3, 9m Blade 2.
Flysurfer : 19m Speed 2 SA, 7m Pulse
Peter Lynn :18m Phantom, 15m Synergy, 10m Synergy, 1200 Farc, 460 Sarc, 130 Tarc, 5m Peel, 4.2m , 6.4, 8.5 C-Quads, 3.5 LS2 single skin.
Rides: Flexi / P.L. Frankin'Buggy , Shaped + straight skiis, sand skis, Coyote blades. Core 95 ATB. RKB R2 ATB .
Ken (K2)
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anything broken ?
rough lookin' is one thing but function is what you are after.
tires pump, wheels spin(bearings are cheap), no broken rims , no broken frame...all good.
you need to be really selective on the wind at first, high gusty winds are just a tough game. you have to be comfortable with a very active kite
while cruising. speed control with the kite is essential. keep at it .
hill billy pants if you don't have them already , you will soon .
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thanson2001ok
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Actually, it was great wind for the 5m Frenzy. It flew great. Not sure I was ready for a maiden voyage on the Coyotes with that much grunt,
though.
Todd... NAPKA US59 \"Have you taught a kid to fly lately?\"
Ozone 4m, 10m AccessXC
PL 19m, 16m Venom | 10m, 13m Venom II | 17m Vortex | 2.6m Viper | 2.3m Vapor | 6m, 9m, 15m Phantom | 22m Guerilla
Flysurfer 8m, 12m DLX Unity |8m Outlaw| 19m Speed 2.5 SA | 2.5m, 6m Viron
Action Vortex 6.6m Foil (FOR SALE) | Mac Bego 600
Flexifoil 1.2m, 2.4m Sting | 6.6m Blade III
The Original Flexifoil and Hawaiian Team Kite
Snow: Volant Alpine Skis | SnowBlades | PL Ice Buggy | PL KiteSled Land: Coyote Skates | Ivanpah Buggy
Water: Peter Lynn KiteCat
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thanson2001ok
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Finally got out late today with an Action 6m foil on handles in about 6 mph winds. Just enough power to get a few short runs on turf and get
comfortable with the high COG with the Coyotes.
Once I was comfortable enough to move to tarmac, the wind was gone. So, I took the opportunity to put some time on the Coyotes... under human power.
The tarmac got me thinking... I better get elbow and knee guards. Any recommendations on equipment and sources?
Any thoughts on this product? http://www.dainese.com/us_en/catalogsearch/result/index/cx/0...
ijer
Todd... NAPKA US59 \"Have you taught a kid to fly lately?\"
Ozone 4m, 10m AccessXC
PL 19m, 16m Venom | 10m, 13m Venom II | 17m Vortex | 2.6m Viper | 2.3m Vapor | 6m, 9m, 15m Phantom | 22m Guerilla
Flysurfer 8m, 12m DLX Unity |8m Outlaw| 19m Speed 2.5 SA | 2.5m, 6m Viron
Action Vortex 6.6m Foil (FOR SALE) | Mac Bego 600
Flexifoil 1.2m, 2.4m Sting | 6.6m Blade III
The Original Flexifoil and Hawaiian Team Kite
Snow: Volant Alpine Skis | SnowBlades | PL Ice Buggy | PL KiteSled Land: Coyote Skates | Ivanpah Buggy
Water: Peter Lynn KiteCat
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