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doneski
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![[*]](./images/perspective/default_icon.gif) posted on 9-15-2009 at 06:37 AM |
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Extreme Rx4 buggy- any good?
There are a few buggies on Ebay that I've never heard of before. Anyone know anything about them. Their website is very basic- almost no info.
Here's a link to one on ebay:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=280395921824&ssPag...
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BeamerBob
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Mood: 100 kph. That's the goal! I'll be tickled to break 50 mph though.
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Stay away from that seller. He makes knock off products based on other company's R&D. When asked about it, he claims stuff like the big
companies ripped him off. The picture further down the listing shows a libre buggy and he doesn't think that is a conflict to show another buggy in
the picture. A buyer could think they are getting that cool buggy when they are really getting a knock off of a kite trike. The real one has
complaints about quality and durability so a knockoff probably isn't as good.
HQ - Beamer IV 2m, 3m; Montana V 9.5m
Peter Lynn Reactor II 5.5, 8.6
Peter Lynn Arcs Synergy 15m, Venom 19m, Phantom 15m
Flexi - Blurr 7m,
PKD - Combat 4.2
Peter Flexi Bigfoot Buggy
Liquid Force 151 Proof
Coastal Wind Sports Team
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lunchbox
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Ditto BB's comments...I bought a kite trike from this seller...long story short...what a piece of crap...it's running good now though...after
replacing the seat, new wheels (hubs, bearings, tubes and tires) and getting the front pegs welded because I couldn't find nuts and bolts that would
allow me to tighten them enough so they wouldn't move...
The old adage is really true here...you get what you pay for!
HQ Beamer II 1.8, 2.5
Ozone Cult 3.5
Ozone Yakuza 4.0
PL Reactor 4.9
JoJo RM+ 5.0
Ozone Yakuza 6.0
PL Reactor 6.4
PL Reactor 8.3
Ozone Yakuza 10.0
Flysurfer SA 1.5 17
PL Venom II 10, 13, 16, 19
Dirtsurfer
MBS Comp 95 landboard
PL Folding buggy
PL XR+ buggy
Rockville buggy
Slingshot LFT
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doneski
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| posted on 9-15-2009 at 03:12 PM |
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Extreme Rx4 kite buggy review
Thanks for the feedback.
I searched but couldn't find anything about this vendor or the buggy. I added the above subject so that anyone else searching for info on the Rx4
buggy will find this posting.
R&D takes time and money. I choose to not deal with people (and countries like China) who rip off designs and don't respect patents and other
types of intelectual property.
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Bladerunner
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He used to claim this was a some other buggy but used the same rip off pictures of a Libre? When asked about who designed it he was not straight
forward with answers. This is NOT a staright forward dealer or a proven product. Avoid this seller. He has obviously changed the name to side step
previous bad press. Search Kite Trike and Romano buggy for previous names.
Kites: 2.5m Profoil , 4.9m QuadrifoilXL kitesurfer, 5m Pansh Ace, , 9m Flexi Blade II, 7m Flysurfer Pulse , 4.6m NPW-5
Peter Lynn :19m Charger , 15m Synergy, 10m Charger, 7.7m Twister II, 5m Peel, 4.2m , 6.4, 8.5 C-Quads
Rides: Flexi / P.L. Frankin'Buggy , 170 switch board, Shaped + straight skiis, Technica + Coyote blades. MBS Comp 16 ( For sale ), Core 95
ATB
accessories - GPS, Wind meter, Bullet cam. Skatewing
Ripsession Kiteboarding Shop
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acampbell
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Good catch Bobby and all. I see the new name, but when you look at the other stuff he is selling, it's pretty clear he's the same guy. The worst
offense is the copy of the HQ Montana 2 where he even uses HQ's own ad copy from their catalog, verbatim!
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BeamerBob
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Mood: 100 kph. That's the goal! I'll be tickled to break 50 mph though.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by acampbell
Good catch Bobby and all. I see the new name, but when you look at the other stuff he is selling, it's pretty clear he's the same guy. The worst
offense is the copy of the HQ Montana 2 where he even uses HQ's own ad copy from their catalog, verbatim! |
Not to mention the graphics on the kite and the same font as on the Montana IV. I enjoyed picking on the guy asking about some news articles about
the European kite wins with his Montana knockoff. He dodged the question. He had the audacity to use the word Montana in his product description!
Sleezy. Oh, and a PKF member realized he sold the scumbag a Montana which was certainly taken apart and copied to make his kite. No shame at all.
HQ - Beamer IV 2m, 3m; Montana V 9.5m
Peter Lynn Reactor II 5.5, 8.6
Peter Lynn Arcs Synergy 15m, Venom 19m, Phantom 15m
Flexi - Blurr 7m,
PKD - Combat 4.2
Peter Flexi Bigfoot Buggy
Liquid Force 151 Proof
Coastal Wind Sports Team
Rider
SoFKA member, NAPKRA# US-92, My
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BeamerBob
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Mood: 100 kph. That's the goal! I'll be tickled to break 50 mph though.
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This takes the cake. I was looking at the ebay listing and they have links to 2 "kite forums". I quote them because it looks like they went to the
trouble to set up these forums in order to post reviews on their Nova Montana knockoffs and their kite trike buggy knockoff. This is where it gets
interesting. I found a post where a guy said he just got his nova 9.5m depower kite and low a behold, HE BOUGHT IT FROM BEAMERBOB! I use that
screenname on at least 3 different forums so I guess he figured it would be recognized and lend some credibility to their shell game. Why not just go
to market with your own kite via normal channels instead of all this cat and mouse stuff? I was very vocal against him on this forum in the past. He
actually became a PKF member posing as a buyer interested in this Nova kite and ended up buying one even though there were none sold on ebay in the
same time frame. ALL his posts were in defense of these knockoff copies. Pretty shallow which explains alot. The forum thread that mentions my name
is conveniently locked to keep anyone from casting shadows on their sleazy operation.
EDIT: I don't think he made up the story but copied another one from here on PKF. That's why my username popped up.
HQ - Beamer IV 2m, 3m; Montana V 9.5m
Peter Lynn Reactor II 5.5, 8.6
Peter Lynn Arcs Synergy 15m, Venom 19m, Phantom 15m
Flexi - Blurr 7m,
PKD - Combat 4.2
Peter Flexi Bigfoot Buggy
Liquid Force 151 Proof
Coastal Wind Sports Team
Rider
SoFKA member, NAPKRA# US-92, My
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BeamerBob
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Mood: 100 kph. That's the goal! I'll be tickled to break 50 mph though.
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I looked at another review on an Extreme Apex buggy and that wsa copied from this forum from a post when Ripsessions got his apex. Looks like word
for word with some names changed. Yep, the thread is locked. Where is this guy? I'm ready to get a posse together.  
EDIT: He even links to Rips photobucket page to illustrate the assembly.
EDIT 2: Montana III review was copied word for word from a racekites review.
HQ - Beamer IV 2m, 3m; Montana V 9.5m
Peter Lynn Reactor II 5.5, 8.6
Peter Lynn Arcs Synergy 15m, Venom 19m, Phantom 15m
Flexi - Blurr 7m,
PKD - Combat 4.2
Peter Flexi Bigfoot Buggy
Liquid Force 151 Proof
Coastal Wind Sports Team
Rider
SoFKA member, NAPKRA# US-92, My
Pictures
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furbowski
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Mood: stuck on a small island with big trees and tiny beaches...
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man, he's back!!!!!!!
the bugger is fearsomely determined, eh?
this slimy little despicable sleazeball of an ebay parasite deserves to have his hard drives nuked.
i'd likely spare his family jewels, tho, he's likely human after all and maybe somebody somewhere loves him, I'd hate to risk breaking that
person's heart, unlikely as the prospect might be.
i inquired about this guy a while back, the forum sorted me out, and make no mistake it is indeed the spot of spew involved here.
OK, THAT'S MY INNER TROLL DONE WITH FOR THE DAY!!!!!!
fixed bridles, flying static, been two years now... ??? folks must be wondering....
sting 1.7, dp power 2.5, crossfire 3.2, ace 5, blade iv 6.5, ace 8, ace 12...
also a couple of arcs, 12 syn and 12 phanny, but i'm not yet up to speed on them.
(13.11.09)
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Bladerunner
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| posted on 9-16-2009 at 05:40 PM |
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HOLY CRAP 
Does Rip' know about this ? That is the same software PKC runs on and I'm sure he posted that review there.
This seems illegal to me ????? 
A new low for sure!
Kites: 2.5m Profoil , 4.9m QuadrifoilXL kitesurfer, 5m Pansh Ace, , 9m Flexi Blade II, 7m Flysurfer Pulse , 4.6m NPW-5
Peter Lynn :19m Charger , 15m Synergy, 10m Charger, 7.7m Twister II, 5m Peel, 4.2m , 6.4, 8.5 C-Quads
Rides: Flexi / P.L. Frankin'Buggy , 170 switch board, Shaped + straight skiis, Technica + Coyote blades. MBS Comp 16 ( For sale ), Core 95
ATB
accessories - GPS, Wind meter, Bullet cam. Skatewing
Ripsession Kiteboarding Shop
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FloRider
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| posted on 9-16-2009 at 06:20 PM |
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Shady. Everything about this seems so shady.
16m Cabrinha Black tip
16m Naish X4
15m PL Synergy
8m Pansh Ace
MBS Comp 95x
GI Conflict
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Big Earl
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| posted on 9-16-2009 at 06:28 PM |
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That picture of the Libre buggy was tacken off of BMWs website. They used it in an add for a new suv or something
In the bag:
'07 North Rhinos 10, 12, 14
'06 Slingshot Fuel 7, 13
U-Turn Helium 2.2, 3.5, 4.4, 5.5 6.8
U-Turn oxygen IIs 2.5, 3.5,4.5, 5.5
U-Turn Butanes 2.5, 3.5, 5.5
Libre speedy II 2.6
Libre Radical 6
Pansch ace 2, 3.5, 6
PKD busters .7, 1.4
Prism p3
Riding:
Libre V-maxII
Home build buggy w/ suspension
North 08 rocketfish
Home build carbon kiteboard
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WELDNGOD
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it's that time of year again . Whatta douchebag!
(coming soon) something in the 7-7+ catagory)
PKD CENTURY 5.5
FLEXIFOIL RAGE 4.7 ,2.5
FLEXFOIL STING 1.7
FLEXIFOIL BUZZ 2LINE
PANSH SPRINT 5.0 ,3.3
PANSH ACE 2.5, 2.0
PANSH LEGEND 2.5 ,3.0
REVOLUTION 1.5 SLE
SCRUB ATB
3 custom Alum. Buggies W/ 3 tandem trailers
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BeamerBob
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Mood: 100 kph. That's the goal! I'll be tickled to break 50 mph though.
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I don't think anyone actually posted on that "forum". The screennames even look like 1 guys just started coming up with names. There was even one
on there called "BeamBob" as a member. I recognize the text from almost every post I looked at. Most threads are locked so you can't ruin the
illusion they have created. They couldn't review on a real forum because they couldn't control the replies that dismissed their stuff for what it
is. The conditions under how you join are very strict mainly stating that they can pull your post if it says anything bad or stuff they don't like.
All the posts were late spring and early summer. None before and none after.
HQ - Beamer IV 2m, 3m; Montana V 9.5m
Peter Lynn Reactor II 5.5, 8.6
Peter Lynn Arcs Synergy 15m, Venom 19m, Phantom 15m
Flexi - Blurr 7m,
PKD - Combat 4.2
Peter Flexi Bigfoot Buggy
Liquid Force 151 Proof
Coastal Wind Sports Team
Rider
SoFKA member, NAPKRA# US-92, My
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acampbell
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BeamerBob
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Mood: 100 kph. That's the goal! I'll be tickled to break 50 mph though.
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In the purest definition.
HQ - Beamer IV 2m, 3m; Montana V 9.5m
Peter Lynn Reactor II 5.5, 8.6
Peter Lynn Arcs Synergy 15m, Venom 19m, Phantom 15m
Flexi - Blurr 7m,
PKD - Combat 4.2
Peter Flexi Bigfoot Buggy
Liquid Force 151 Proof
Coastal Wind Sports Team
Rider
SoFKA member, NAPKRA# US-92, My
Pictures
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Bladerunner
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| posted on 9-17-2009 at 04:17 PM |
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I notice he rips off most of our names and twists them around.
I have never heard of anyone using Roadrunner as a kite name ? I'm assuming that is my ripped off name.
How does a person inform Ebay of these types of things?
Kites: 2.5m Profoil , 4.9m QuadrifoilXL kitesurfer, 5m Pansh Ace, , 9m Flexi Blade II, 7m Flysurfer Pulse , 4.6m NPW-5
Peter Lynn :19m Charger , 15m Synergy, 10m Charger, 7.7m Twister II, 5m Peel, 4.2m , 6.4, 8.5 C-Quads
Rides: Flexi / P.L. Frankin'Buggy , 170 switch board, Shaped + straight skiis, Technica + Coyote blades. MBS Comp 16 ( For sale ), Core 95
ATB
accessories - GPS, Wind meter, Bullet cam. Skatewing
Ripsession Kiteboarding Shop
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ripsessionkites
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Mood: Tuning Vapors for NABX. Eat my dust Dutch Boys! Sponsoring NABX. Dino wears a pink skirt.
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lol ... cool im famous "ripviper" from a spammer. NOT
wtf, can we sue now?
thanks for bring this to my attention.
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acampbell
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did you see the PTW Cougar II Buggy Review? Where was that copied from?
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furbowski
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That's bibbler from racekites writing the original review above.
fixed bridles, flying static, been two years now... ??? folks must be wondering....
sting 1.7, dp power 2.5, crossfire 3.2, ace 5, blade iv 6.5, ace 8, ace 12...
also a couple of arcs, 12 syn and 12 phanny, but i'm not yet up to speed on them.
(13.11.09)
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popeyethewelder
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| posted on 9-17-2009 at 10:51 PM |
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lol, is this guy for real or what....I have just sent Bibbler a copy of this...
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Kamikuza
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... perhaps he works for Pansh? 
Flexifoil Bullet 4.5 : Peter Lynn Vibe 2.3 & Rebble 5.0
Airush Lift 16
Peter Lynn Vortex 10 : Scorpion 13 & 16 : Synergy 12, 15 & 19 : Phantom 15 : Venom II 19
Kitewing IV8 Dacron
North Sumo 155 : Airush Square One 175
Flexifoil Kava : Scrub Photon
Dakine Fusion : Ocean Rodeo Session 2
Revolution 1.5 SLE : PowerBlast 4-8
Gateskate Trailskates : Mission Proto Vi
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Bladerunner
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| posted on 9-18-2009 at 06:41 AM |
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Of course all of the reviews are ripped off of other sites.
We need to be carefull.
He found out about us do to GOOGLE and such. If his sites get too much traffic his plan will work. the 1st thing to come up will no longer be links to
us discussing his stuff anymore .
Kites: 2.5m Profoil , 4.9m QuadrifoilXL kitesurfer, 5m Pansh Ace, , 9m Flexi Blade II, 7m Flysurfer Pulse , 4.6m NPW-5
Peter Lynn :19m Charger , 15m Synergy, 10m Charger, 7.7m Twister II, 5m Peel, 4.2m , 6.4, 8.5 C-Quads
Rides: Flexi / P.L. Frankin'Buggy , 170 switch board, Shaped + straight skiis, Technica + Coyote blades. MBS Comp 16 ( For sale ), Core 95
ATB
accessories - GPS, Wind meter, Bullet cam. Skatewing
Ripsession Kiteboarding Shop
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kitebuggylover
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| posted on 10-14-2009 at 03:13 PM |
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interesting
i wouldn't buy off him by the sound of it
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dylanj423
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| posted on 10-14-2009 at 05:56 PM |
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so what everyone is saying here is that KYSON USA IS A RIPOFF?? this guy is in the houston area?? hilarious... he is selling knockoff buggies and
kites, and being dishonest about other things, too, like ink and supplies...
i wonder how you decide to cheat people out of money for kites and ink?? its a weird duo... i hope this thread gets picked up by google when people
search for kyson usa... they can read for themselves that the people that run kyson usa are ripping off images, reviews, and peoples ID's to sell
their own crappy products...
i did a search for kyson usa, and found a lot of people complaining about this guys claims... what a douchebag...
WHAT I FLY:
PKD Century 1.8m-6m and 9m
Peter Lynn Phantom 12m, 15m, Venom II 19m
Flysurfer Psycho III 17m ***(FOR SALE)***
WHAT I RIDE:
GI Flight Lite ATB, Liquid Force Proof 151, (NAPKRA US529)
WHAT I'M LOOKING FOR:
***A Good Price on a libre buggy***
9m Peter Lynn Phantom
A field in Houston to fly in
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dylanj423
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| posted on 10-14-2009 at 05:58 PM |
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apparently the address is an apartment complex... and its a really bad one, with claims of having a slumlord!!!
http://maps.google.com/maps?hl=en&safe=off&client=firefox-a&rls=o... src="./images/smilies/shocked.gif"
style="border:none" alt=":o"
/>fficial&hs=4wE&um=1&ie=UTF-8&q=1500+STRAWBERRY+RD,+PASADENA,+TX&fb=1&gl=us&hnear=1500+STRAWBERRY+RD,+PASADENA,+TX&ci
d=0,0,7307597681386107105&ei=a3PWSpuRC4v0sQOYvvXRAg&sa=X&oi=local_result&ct=image&resnum=1&ved=0CA0QnwIwAA
its gotta be the same guy
WHAT I FLY:
PKD Century 1.8m-6m and 9m
Peter Lynn Phantom 12m, 15m, Venom II 19m
Flysurfer Psycho III 17m ***(FOR SALE)***
WHAT I RIDE:
GI Flight Lite ATB, Liquid Force Proof 151, (NAPKRA US529)
WHAT I'M LOOKING FOR:
***A Good Price on a libre buggy***
9m Peter Lynn Phantom
A field in Houston to fly in
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Jason1291
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| posted on 10-16-2009 at 10:57 AM |
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All out war between powerkiteforum.com & me
It looks like there is an all our war between powerkiteforum.com and me.
This whole thing is starting to be fun.
Your forum is being exposed to the world's largest online site and it is not very positive. Buyers can form their own opinions about this forum and
your sponsors will do the same.
PKF Admin note: Jason1291's ebay seller name is jonesband1998 (verified by matching email address)
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BeamerBob
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Mood: 100 kph. That's the goal! I'll be tickled to break 50 mph though.
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Hello Jason or Jonesband or whichever name you are able to use this week before your ways catch up with your names. Are these even real Flexifoil and
Peter Lynn products? Or did they rip off your design again like you said HQ did with your european contest winning NOVA? (I never did find any news
articles on those big wins BTW). It's funny that HQ is coming out with their 5th revision of the Montana. How many revisions are there of the NOVA?
Oh. None huh? I would be thrilled for your potential customers to come evaluate PKF as well as that shell forum you created copying others reviews
and comments from real forums. Any discerning person will quickly notice that your fake forum was only "posted" to for about a 2 week period with
most threads closed so real people can't mess up the facade. How hard would it be to just earn an honest living with the effort you have put into
running your cheat scam?
HQ - Beamer IV 2m, 3m; Montana V 9.5m
Peter Lynn Reactor II 5.5, 8.6
Peter Lynn Arcs Synergy 15m, Venom 19m, Phantom 15m
Flexi - Blurr 7m,
PKD - Combat 4.2
Peter Flexi Bigfoot Buggy
Liquid Force 151 Proof
Coastal Wind Sports Team
Rider
SoFKA member, NAPKRA# US-92, My
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kitejumper
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| posted on 10-16-2009 at 01:01 PM |
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well well well.......its our old buddy jason!! get a life loser!!! thumbdown: 
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