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lunchbox
Posts: 1248
Registered: 3-13-2007
Location: Agoura Hills, CA.
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Navigator bar and lines are $485 alone. Chargers Complete start at $1,045 for the 6m |
Holy Crap!!! Guess I'll be hanging on to my VII's a little longer...
Flexifoil Blurr 2.5, Ozone Cult 3.5, Nasa Star 3 4.0 Ozone Yakuza 4.0, PL Reactor 4.9, JoJo RM+ 5.0, Ozone Method 5.0, Ozone Yakuza 6.0, Flexifoil
Blade IV 6.5, Nasa Star 3 7.0, PL Vapor 7.8, JoJo RX 8.0 (in route), Flexifoil Blade VIP 8.5, PL Vapor 9.4, Ozone Yakuza 10.0, PL Reactor II 10.8, PL
Vapor 16.1, PL Venom II 13, PL Charger 15, 19, Flysurfer Unity 12, Flysurfer Pulse 2 14, Flysurfer Speed 2 SA 19, Flysurfer Speed 3 21, MBS Comp 95
landboard, PL Folding buggy, PL XR+ buggy, Slingshot LFT, Lots of surfboards
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power
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I don't get what makes a bar so expensive. Its just not very complicated of a thing, at least it shouldn't cost over 200.
-08 Best Nemesis HP 14m
-07 North Rhino 10m
-05 Best Nemesis 10m
-04 Slingshot Fuel 13m
-05 Flexi Storm 8m, 10m, 12m, 14m (FOR SALE!!)
-05 Naish 5.5m (FOR SALE!!)
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carltb
Posts: 1610
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Location: preston
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THE CHARGER IS IMMINENT IN THE UK, 1ST DECEMBER IVE HEARD
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acampbell
Posts: 3879
Registered: 7-26-2006
Location: Las Cruces, NM. Sometimes
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Mood: Digging Deserts and Mts.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by power
I don't get what makes a bar so expensive. Its just not very complicated of a thing, at least it shouldn't cost over 200. |
Well for what it's worth, it does appear to have a lot of engineering into it with adjustable width, new safety at the chicken loop, adjustable throw.
And they all come with 3m line extensions. But yeah I blinked too and I kinda knew it was coming.
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kiteNH
Posts: 708
Registered: 10-28-2007
Location: Seacoast, NH
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Looks like the Navigator is only $315 if you get it with a new Charger. That seems pretty reasonable to me.
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ripsessionkites
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the bar is supplied with lines
the Twinskin Bar RTF is $ 390.00 USD
its its only 90.00 more if you think about it.
it would be nice if they ship Kite + Bar ... I could use my old lines.
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stephdip
Posts: 118
Registered: 7-26-2007
Location: gatineau.canada
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yep !!! not that bad
i can't wait,ican't wait,i can't wait   
8m charger 2
12m charger 2
15m phantom 2 
16m venom2
quadrifoil xm
u-turn oxygen2 5.5 |
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Bladerunner
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Registered: 10-17-2006
Location: Vancouver
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Am I correct in the opinion that any long throw bar will get the most out of your new Charger ?
That the zero 7 bar will work but you won't get the most of the kite ?
Would it not be possible to just put a kit on your zero7 ( or other 4 line bar) to make it long throw? I think Best sell a kit for 1 or $150 ???
Any chance P.L. will sell a kit to upgrade your Zero7's throw ?
Kites: 2.5m Profoil , Quadrifoil XL kitesurfer, NPW 5 Danger.
Flexifoil: 1.7m Sting, 4.9m Blade 3, 9m Blade 2.
Flysurfer : 19m Speed 2 SA, 7m Pulse
Peter Lynn :18m Phantom, 15m Synergy, 10m Synergy, 1200 Farc, 460 Sarc, 130 Tarc, 5m Peel, 4.2m , 6.4, 8.5 C-Quads, 3.5 LS2 single skin.
Rides: Flexi / P.L. Frankin'Buggy , Shaped + straight skiis, sand skis, Coyote blades. Core 95 ATB. RKB R2 ATB .
Ken (K2)
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sofa king
Posts: 108
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| Quote: | Originally posted by acampbell
Navigator bar and lines are $485 alone. Chargers Complete start at $1,045 for the 6m |
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herc
Posts: 445
Registered: 10-1-2009
Location: Bielefeld and Rostock in Germany
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@Bladerunner: as the chargers new bridle is basically the old VPC system with added pulleys that double the steering impulse (afaik), i am quite sure
that any normal kitesurfing bar with long throw will work fantastic on the charger. i am using a SLE naish 2009 bar for my scorpion. works fantastic,
see my youtube video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n7EBwSDB5mg .
Kites:
Tubes: Ozone Zephyr 17 * Naish Helix 2009 10.5 qm * Cabrinha Access 2003 9qm * Wipika Hydro 2001 9qm *
Arcs: PL Scorpion 13, 16 qm; PL Synergy 10 qm
open cell: PL Twister I 7.7 * PKD Buster II 3qm
Paragliders: Gradient Bright Classic (with check) * Swing Mistral 1 (groundhandling) *Advance Alpha 3 (groundhandling)
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Bladerunner
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It was while watching that video that I saw what looks like the perfect bar to me. I'm glad you spoke up.
Naish know their stuff 
I am too lazy to check but I doubt your bar goes for the price the Nav' is reported to be ?
I have to think that with VP3 and a stiffer kite you should see huge improvement even on you old P.L. bar?
I think the Nav' has it all. I would hate to think that people may shy away from a great kite because they can't afford the bar .
I doubt there will be a substitute for the Charger but I see options for controling it ?
Kites: 2.5m Profoil , Quadrifoil XL kitesurfer, NPW 5 Danger.
Flexifoil: 1.7m Sting, 4.9m Blade 3, 9m Blade 2.
Flysurfer : 19m Speed 2 SA, 7m Pulse
Peter Lynn :18m Phantom, 15m Synergy, 10m Synergy, 1200 Farc, 460 Sarc, 130 Tarc, 5m Peel, 4.2m , 6.4, 8.5 C-Quads, 3.5 LS2 single skin.
Rides: Flexi / P.L. Frankin'Buggy , Shaped + straight skiis, sand skis, Coyote blades. Core 95 ATB. RKB R2 ATB .
Ken (K2)
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herc
Posts: 445
Registered: 10-1-2009
Location: Bielefeld and Rostock in Germany
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Mood: wanting a Charger
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well, the naish bar is not bad, but it hase imho some drawbacks:
1. the swivel does not really turn (maybe if you put some special weapon oil on it)
2. if the swivel would finally turn, the yellow safety line that goes to one frontline would tangle around the depower chord. if too often wound
around the depower , a would be afraid that it would not properly work if quickreleased.
but otherwise, i really like my naish bar. and you can often get it on ebay for a bargain.
Kites:
Tubes: Ozone Zephyr 17 * Naish Helix 2009 10.5 qm * Cabrinha Access 2003 9qm * Wipika Hydro 2001 9qm *
Arcs: PL Scorpion 13, 16 qm; PL Synergy 10 qm
open cell: PL Twister I 7.7 * PKD Buster II 3qm
Paragliders: Gradient Bright Classic (with check) * Swing Mistral 1 (groundhandling) *Advance Alpha 3 (groundhandling)
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kiteNH
Posts: 708
Registered: 10-28-2007
Location: Seacoast, NH
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Is the Synergy bar the Zero 7?
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acampbell
Posts: 3879
Registered: 7-26-2006
Location: Las Cruces, NM. Sometimes
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Mood: Digging Deserts and Mts.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by kiteNH
Is the Synergy bar the Zero 7? |
Yes, although it's just called the "Twinskin bar" bar now, as they don't associate it with a year anymore.
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Bladerunner
Posts: 9679
Registered: 10-17-2006
Location: Vancouver
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Sorry,
My Syn has a " twin skin " bar. I just like saying Zero 7 . Sounds so 007 !
I am not going to allow the cost of the Navigator stop me from ordering a Charger.
Kites: 2.5m Profoil , Quadrifoil XL kitesurfer, NPW 5 Danger.
Flexifoil: 1.7m Sting, 4.9m Blade 3, 9m Blade 2.
Flysurfer : 19m Speed 2 SA, 7m Pulse
Peter Lynn :18m Phantom, 15m Synergy, 10m Synergy, 1200 Farc, 460 Sarc, 130 Tarc, 5m Peel, 4.2m , 6.4, 8.5 C-Quads, 3.5 LS2 single skin.
Rides: Flexi / P.L. Frankin'Buggy , Shaped + straight skiis, sand skis, Coyote blades. Core 95 ATB. RKB R2 ATB .
Ken (K2)
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ripsessionkites
Posts: 4043
Registered: 10-17-2006
Location: California, Las Vegas
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Mood: retired until racing starts
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im going with a 19 and 10
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csa_deadon
Posts: 1480
Registered: 6-24-2008
Location: Newport, Oregon
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Mood: waiting for spring sobb, fall sobb, ABE, IBX
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| Quote: | Originally posted by ripsessionkites
im going with a 19 and 10 |
Rip I thought there was a minimum height requirement just to order the 19m, let alone fly it. 
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What I ride, and fly
Custom KBSS Libre Hardcore with John Deer tires!
Ozone R1 11m, Ozone Summit 10ul, 15m ul
Wish list:
Wind powered portable coffee maker.
Chrono, Chrono, Chrono!
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edk442
Posts: 103
Registered: 6-5-2009
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i laid claim to my 15m  i had the money saved up since august. cannot wait!!!!!
Peter Lynn 10m and 15m Charger
Spleene Session 142x42
Armada El Rey 164cm skis
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carltb
Posts: 1610
Registered: 10-27-2008
Location: preston
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my quiver will be 10, 12 and 15m. cant wait
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power
Posts: 1023
Registered: 7-12-2009
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Are you getting those for free?
-08 Best Nemesis HP 14m
-07 North Rhino 10m
-05 Best Nemesis 10m
-04 Slingshot Fuel 13m
-05 Flexi Storm 8m, 10m, 12m, 14m (FOR SALE!!)
-05 Naish 5.5m (FOR SALE!!)
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furbowski
Posts: 1470
Registered: 5-1-2008
Location: hong kong
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Mood: stuck on a small island with big trees and tiny beaches...
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| Quote: | Originally posted by power
Are you getting those for free? |
If he is, no matter... search for his vids on youtube and you'll see how much he's put into the sport....
fixed bridles, flying static, been two years now... ??? folks must be wondering....
sting 1.7, dp power 2.5, crossfire 3.2, ace 5, blade iv 6.5, ace 8, ace 12...
also a couple of arcs, 12 syn and 12 phanny, but i\'m not yet up to speed on them.
(13.11.09)
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Bladerunner
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Location: Vancouver
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I see what you are thinking Power
It will take a little searching but we had a great discussion about what sponsorship / team riding gets you last spring.
Lets just say. Keep your day job !
Kites: 2.5m Profoil , Quadrifoil XL kitesurfer, NPW 5 Danger.
Flexifoil: 1.7m Sting, 4.9m Blade 3, 9m Blade 2.
Flysurfer : 19m Speed 2 SA, 7m Pulse
Peter Lynn :18m Phantom, 15m Synergy, 10m Synergy, 1200 Farc, 460 Sarc, 130 Tarc, 5m Peel, 4.2m , 6.4, 8.5 C-Quads, 3.5 LS2 single skin.
Rides: Flexi / P.L. Frankin'Buggy , Shaped + straight skiis, sand skis, Coyote blades. Core 95 ATB. RKB R2 ATB .
Ken (K2)
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carltb
Posts: 1610
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Location: preston
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| Quote: | Originally posted by power
Are you getting those for free? |
not quite
"with great power come great responsibility!!"
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ripsessionkites
Posts: 4043
Registered: 10-17-2006
Location: California, Las Vegas
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| Quote: | Originally posted by csa_deadon
| Quote: | Originally posted by ripsessionkites
im going with a 19 and 10 |
Rip I thought there was a minimum height requirement just to order the 19m, let alone fly it. |
go big or go home
the windrange for the 15 and the 19 are nearly the same. I like bigger kites than smaller ones (same thing applies for me when buggying with short
lines) ....
a. im light so ill float more
b. i've pushed the 15 / 16m arcs to the limit and than some, so the windrange is WIDE.
c. i was looking at the low end more than the high end
d. i plan on kitesurfing for the winter months (thx BR for the Drysuit) GP just became my new sandbar "the ring".
Lets ride!!! CHARGE!!!
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