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Originally posted by pbc Vlieger Op was not able to use that technology due to North Sails' exclusive license.

Moot point I expect, but that's kind of interesting as I believe Windfire Designs uses cuben fiber in some of their kites (not foils).

PX would be interesting for the rods.

ATB,
Sam

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Originally posted by BeamerBob A poster on Arcusers forum said the Phantom II is confirmed Sizes will be 6,8,10,13,16,20 & possibly a 30Meter low wind monster. Anyone seen one of these out at NABX? They speculated on a Christmas release.

30M? April fools? That would be one scary Phantom.

Gotta be April Fools joke.

Its not nice to play dirty tricks about new kites...

Would make a nice event tent

Bobby arrived at NABX this afternoon. I am going to have him hunt down Marijn and make him talk. Bobby is a big strapping boy...

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Originally posted by acampbell Bobby arrived at NABX this afternoon. I am going to have him hunt down Marijn and make him talk. Bobby is a big strapping boy...

But Bobby is devious because he only relayed part of the message from Arcusers. Does no one check sources anymore?

I thought it was an inspired joke.

Philip

tomorrow im taking out the Phantom II for a test run. there are two available right now at NABX

i will report back later

ok. today is the 02.04. can we stop possible april jokes and say something about the promised "new kite" at nabx ? is it a phantom II? or the first (opencell) bridled depower kite from PL ?

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Originally posted by herc ok. today is the 02.04. can we stop possible april jokes and say something about the promised "new kite" at nabx ? is it a phantom II? or the first (opencell) bridled depower kite from PL ?

We'll everything I said--save for my previous message--was a fabrication. I got nothin'.

Philip

Just talked to Bobby. He met Marijn last night and he has some Phanny II's with him. Bobby will try for a run with one if the line is not too long. Sounds like Marijn has not even seen them yet, as he got them back from the first testers and had to throw them in to the shipping crate bound for NABX. He will get Pics at any rate.

Bobby says he showed up yesterday afternoon and was credited with bringing winds, as it piped up from nothing to 10 mph and they all got some good runs. He was running the Montana V 9.5 and had speeds in the 30's, catching up to anyone he wanted except for the Dutch with the Vapors.

I can't say for certain.. But I bet it looks alot like this:



What sizes do they have with at NABX?

I THINK Bobby said 8, 10, 12 but can't be sure. I'm sure the news will break soon enough...

@rudeboy: the kite in your picture doesnt look like an high aspect ratio kite .. is the new phantom less stretched ?

If this kite is indeed the next "Phantom" I think it seems alot different then what the old one was like. I've haven't flown it, only saw it flown and heard feedback from the guy who does fly it. I think it's still fairly high aspect. More so then the Chargers at least. And unlike the old phantoms, this thing turns FAST! I guess if PL is demoing it at NABX, Feyd might be able to say more about it now? He's the guy with the time on it and I remember him using the words.. "I'd kill for a quiver of these." I think he might actually KILL for them he liked it that much. I think if people are expecting a re-release of the same old Phantom though, it might not be that. Sure didn't look like an old phantom to me. I took a bunch of other photos to send to Pepijn of the kite in action, maybe it's ok for me to post more of them if it's being publicly demoed now. There will certainly be lots of photos of it from NABX soon I'm sure...

Bobby told me he asked Marijn and yeah, it's OK to talk it up. Out of the closet, so show it all and spill the beans...

OK.. If Marijn says its ok.. then here are a few more pics:


http://www.mnadventure.com/images/IMG_2548.JPG


http://www.mnadventure.com/images/IMG_2550.JPG

http://www.mnadventure.com/images/IMG_2551.JPG

Those are probably some of the better close up pics I got of the profile.

cool! thanks for the pictures! very interesting. air inlets seem to be improved? somehow long and narrow..

Any word on a release?

Last I heard, end of year was a reasonable expectation, but they are working hard to get it right, so they will wait until they are all happy.

That's not a Phantom - it's a Synergy on a diet

A synergy on a diet taking ampthetamines....

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Originally posted by borntofli A synergy on a diet taking ampthetamines....

The uppers will make you thinner. Let's just hope it's not a case of "live fast, die young".

Philip

on the foildesign mailing list they say that the aspect ratio is still the key to highest performance per squaremeter. so the new phantom should have at least the same aspect ratio, or even better the same projected (!!) aspect ratio as the flysurfer speed 3. that would be cool ! if it will have, and then turn faster than the speed3, that would be AWESOME !
so there must/should be some new innovation regarding the problem of inverts and bowties. if that could be solved (diagonal cell ribs ? even higher internal pressure as with charger? thin, very flexible spars inside the kite? a thin internal tube to be pumped that gives some basic rigidity (blasphemy ;-) ) ? ... )

how was it back in the day with the f-arc? had it uber-performance, besides its difficult handling ?

www.peterlynnkites.com/news/0112news.htm

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F Arcs are high aspect ratio- the 1500/9.5 is 7.5, the 1200/7.5 is 6.5 and the 950/6.0, will be 5.5. They have more de-power than any previous kite we've produced. They are better upwind than any kite we've ever made before, maybe than any kite anywhere. They jump VERY well, especially hang time- hence the name. They are very gust responsive and exceptionally luff resistant. But, F Arcs are not for bunnies*: Their pre-inflated flying is not as easy as for the standard Arc range. Their water relaunch is not as reliable- especially the 1500/9.5. It can develop a twist when nose down in light winds which is difficult to get out. And -bunnies are not birds.

not for bunnies*
And -bunnies are not birds.

The farther they depart from the original design, besides moving the zips and other minor convenience features, the greater the risk of disappointment. I too would be suspicious of a lower A/R kite. It's theirs to screw up and it should not be hard (to succeed), but these are the same guys that took the Synergy, the last ARC with autozenith, off the market...

Looks like faster turning is a priority for the PII...

Lynn himself said he particularly likes the park-n ride-with-eyes-off aspect of the original Phanny....

Whether he has any input into the final PII design............?

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Originally posted by acampbell The farther they depart from the original design, besides moving the zips and other minor convenience features, the greater the risk of disappointment. I too would be suspicious of a lower A/R kite. It's theirs to screw up and it should not be hard (to succeed), but these are the same guys that took the Synergy, the last ARC with autozenith, off the market...

That's my thinking !

Possibly the best combo I could think of is the hands free , park and ride quality of the Syn' combined with the adjustable stopper on the Newer bars. The Charger feels like a step away from that ?

How big would an Phanny have to be to equal a 19m Speed 3 in projected area ? :wow:

Is there some reason they can't bring back the Syn's design pretty much unaltered ?

I see a small business opportunity for a little boutique making old-school custom arcs to order ... I'll have an 18m Phantom in black and pink with the graphic on the inside, please!

Isn't that is sort'a what Vieglers is doing already? If they had no original P plans to start with, they are just hand assembling the prototypes from scratch?

Without unpicking and making diagrams of an original Phantom it seems ... that proto just looks like a high AR Synergy to me ...