Hi all,

New to the list membership, but not to kiting or arcs. I kite mostly on the water, but have been trying to learn an earth board.

Would like to get on the list if possible. I will probably replace my Syn-15 with a Ch15 first (first in first out). Can't justify buying a whole new set of kites, but would like to see how the Ch12 compares to my Syn10/12. I know the 15 and 10 range usually overlap, but it is just so much better to hit the sweet spot on a 12.

Dave

Got the kite today!!! now... all i need to do is rustle up some wind and kick the soccer players off them fields...

Ok, looks like it's now heading to beamerbob! Bob, send me your addy in U2U and i'll get it shipped off this week.


Thanks for the opportunity rip!!!

addy sent. I don't guess it will make it by my Nabx departure early Thursday, but I'll get in the water with it the next week. Lets hear how you got along with it! I want to know what to expect. This could be reason for another trip to the sod farm. We can put it in the hands of several of us around here on the same day.

Warning: The following is one persons opinion in one location (Idaho). The conditions are gusty where I'm at and this is what i found for inland "soccer field" flying:

Ok sounds good man! Well, I did enjoy the kite. It is definitely fast, and has great depower, actually... amazing depower. It was a bit tough comparing this 12m charger to my 15m syn. From what I had read, I thought that the 12m charger was the new 15m syn. I thought it was going to be able to give me close to the same pull and stuff. I think I had the wrong impression

I was able to get it out two days. First day it was about 18mph, gusty up and down maybe 5mph. This day it was fun but it wasn't as smooth of power that the syn delivers. In the gusty winds I feel as though it's not as smooth as the syn or older arcs. It could have been that I'm used to a larger kite but I kinda like the smoother power than the jerky feeling. IMHO I think that it's a bit squirrely for my taste . Maybe the 15m is less so, I'll never know! . but all i do know is that the 12m charger is definitely not the new 15m arc (at my location, gusty winds).

The CH 15 dials in perfect with wider window usage. It will have the timing and feel you're looking for no doubt. PASS the CH 15 would be choice. esp for the 170lbs+ crowd.

I'm going to concentrate on a good buggy eval then. At 225 I'm certainly 170 plus. I'll be hard pressed to get winds that flow enough to drag me out of the water with the 12m. I'll be looking for one to try out near the PL camp at NABX. I'll take it to the beach one day next week as well to seek out some sea breezes and get a feel for it in the buggy.

How's the Charger treatin' ya bob? what do you think of it? didja get a chance to go buggyin' with it!?

Yes, but with limited wind. I found it stable and very............Synergy like. I had to work it to make power with it. I think I can say that the kite is a little more rigid and doesn't lose its pressure if it is on the ground which it wasn't very much. Turning seemed about the same as with my Synergy 12m I had. It had some grunt when the wind would blow a little causing my buggy to side slide. I'm not done with it yet, but basically, nothing to dislike about it but nothing yet remarkable enough to make me want one instead of my synergy. I really don't get the expensive bar. If I ordered one, I would just get kite only and use my 07 bar. I do want to upgrade that chicken loop but other than that I'm happy with the 07 bar. I wish I could be more upbeat about the new product and maybe I'm not experienced enough with arcs to pick up on the nuances of this new kite, but it seems evolutionary instead of revolutionary. Still, I would like to fly it in some heavier winds to see what comes out of it when it is powered up. That would be a fairer conditions to come to a conclusion about the kite.

I never got to fly it in heavy winds but it was very stable and produced smooth power in the mid teens. My problem is that I have no other arc to compare it to, other than macboy 15m phanny I flew last week (in non-comparable winds). I used the charger in the buggy and on a board; in the buggy I was able to have it not produce much lift, which was reassuring, but on the board it would boost well. I really enjoyed the smooth power and progressive depower of the kite. Interested to hear BB's buggy review as he's got a quiver of comparason One think I never really got to do was to fly the kite powered into the window and let go of the bar. There was never really enough wind for me to feel how the kite depowers & moves to zenith.

As for the bar, I agree with BB, I didn't notice anything too special about it. The depower line was a bit dangle so it was getting wrapped up on the center lines which is usual unless the depower is at the chicken loop, which I don't much like. I found the chicken loop to be a good size, but it took a while for me to be able to reconnect the loop after releasing it. I got OK at it, but it would be a pain in the water as I needed to really push the the pin way up to get it closed properly. The one nice thing on the bar, which is really expected these days, is the adjustable stopper.

RIP,

Take me off the pass list........................after reading Phress comments the 12 wouldnt do it for me...................apppreciate your time and big ups to you for doing this for PKF members.........................

I'm jockeying for a kite day this Saturday that is promising some wind. If I get to challenge the kite a little, I'll pass it on down the road to laserman.

Is it possible to post an updated list ?

Thank you

Matt

is the charger still moving around?

Archy, you better bring it north so the mayor and I can have a whirl:bouncy::o

I have the charger right now. I've flown it twice. Once with not enough wind and another that was too much for land. I'd like one more session with it. I should have my new buggy in a couple weeks. If its cool, I'll keep it till then and then pass it on. If that's too long, I'll set it free now.

LOL I gotta go back to the beginning of this post I can't remember if i am even on the list. I thought I wanted to be on it when the Syn pass got cancelled. :dunno: see if Rip is adding anymore or if list is complete..................oh wait nevermind. I might just go pay doublespeed a visit when he gets his hands on it :singing:

Is there any chance at all of trying this out before the snow hits? Seems that we've hit a wall.

Has Bob been using it for two months now or does someone else have it?

Bob passed it to Laserman in Alameda a few weekends ago.

Alright, it had been quite some time since an update, so was wanting to know what was going on.

me too ,erratic,want to try it bad.

were is the charger?would like it for september of 2010 who has it

I sent laserman a text to see what's up.

He responded and said he would get it shipped out soon to the next person. I asked him to post his impressions, so maybe we'll hear from him here.

how long are people holding on to it for? weeks seem to turn into months.

if you anyone wants to be removed from the list thats cool with me but it looks like it will reach canada by winter. lol.

I had it a little over 3 weeks then passed it to laserman. Not sure why he kept it so long.

I'd like to be taken off the list for the Charger. It's not that I wouldn't appreciate a turn with it, I just got a new Kahoona V2 and I'll be occupied with it for the foreseeable future. I'll let someone else have a turn. Thanks for offering such a great opportunity for PKF'rs!

i just check the list your not even on there,florider

Is it possible to post an updated list, I'm not sure that I'm on the list ( I asked for it 4 mounths ago )

Thank you

Matt

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Originally posted by doublespeed360 i just check the list your not even on there,florider

That's cause I changed my name to Florider. Used to be live2hover.