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Originally posted by snobdr Yet everyone learns on a fixed bridal kite with no depower and alot of you guys fly fixed bridal so why make a big deal about how much depower a kite has???

A fixed bridle trainer and a 10+ meter inflatable aren't even slightly comparable except for the fact that they are both kites.

What exactly is your point here? Do you just want people to agree that it is okay to learn on C kites? Fine, you said that you learned on C kites. You lived. So I guess its okay.

Or do you think that C kites are best to learn on (better than bows or SLE's)? Is that your point?

Or are you just a troll picking fights on another guy's thread because that's what you're really here for?

i vote for troll!!!!!!!!!!

and ive decided not to feed him anymore!

First off a 10m on water might as well be a trainer. I use a 9m for my high wind kite 25+. In average winds 15-20 you would have to be on a surfboard unless you weigh 125.

My point Yes you can learn on a c kite.

I never said they were the best to learn on, I never said they were better then a bow or sle. They are just not as bad as you guys make them out to be.

Most of my kiting experence is on the water. So i think my advice is valid. They guy bought a c kite. he can learn on it. He has kite experence on foils, most of which are probably fixed bridal so why would this be any different? He probably got it for much less then a bow or sle. So why not. hes learning, the kite will probably take a beating anyway so why spend the cash?

How much experence on water do you both have? How much experence flying LEIs? I dont jump in on foil kite threads because i dont have as much experence on them.

When anyone on this forum voices an opinion that is different that what you guys think they are picking a fight and are a troll.

I actually just didn't really understand what your position was, but I gotcha now. I have very little inflatable experience. I just thought the FB trainer vs inflatable kite comparison was a bit of a stretch. But I don't have any opinion on the c vs. sle thing.

I've got no problems with opinions or arguments. I just didn't get what yours was and it sounded like you were just stirring it up. Plus hijacking the guy's post. No problem.

End of [my] hijack here.

I think the problem is, he bought a C-kite and thinks it a hybrid and some people are worried that his lack of experience will f**k him up and said a C-kite is #@%$#! to learn on and some people disagreed. I disagree too but have no experience other than my own to back it up ...

I'd rather learn on my big fat lazy C than on any of my rabid foils I bought the cheapest kite for the water I could, so that when I smash it up I don't cry

And from a newbie POV, the 5th line safety is very impressive ... my advice is get it installed, set it up and practice how to use it till it's second nature.

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Originally posted by carltb Quote: Originally posted by yt35 it is a 2007 yarga. is the it the only way to reverse launch with a 5 th line all my comments came about because of this statement......... obviously you havnt flown a c kite or had any lessons and think you can reverse launch a kite on the 5th line. it just shows to me that you need a totally differant kite then the yarga. i dont know who sold you this kite but i can guess it wasnt a kite shop. most probably ebay special!!!!!! anyway its your life and what happens in your country doesnt effect my beach , so go nuts. i suggest taking it out in 30+mph during a thunderstorm just to try it out. lol.:wee::wee: snobdr can give you advice on this!!!!!!!!!!

YES I am glad that you can interpret my question and tell me what i need, thank you. I need a totally DIFFERENT kite. And yes it was an Ebay special and not a specialized kite shop. Whatever.

I can tell by your helpful comments and your bad spelling that you are very young and offering very little help to those asking. SO, I suggest that if you have no constructive comments to add, keep it to yourself.

:puzzled: Wow. I don't have a horse in this race at all, but after all the posts on this, I figured I should come see just how much can be said about this yarga 5th line thing. I didn't know there was a brawl going on. :wow:

It seems from my perspective that the whole bunch here is at least partially right.
This probably isn't the best kite for yt35 to learn on.
C kites aren't the best kites to learn on for water activities.
yt probably ought to get some lessons either formal or informal before he heads out on the water.
yt probably could mush through the learning process on this kite but it will likely take longer and he could hurt himself or someone else.
Isn't this what everyone is saying?

So yt35, can you find a way to get some lessons and some professional advice on your kite? Maybe you can learn on something else and get someone that knows about this type kite to help you safely get some use out of it. You probably need another kite to get you to the point where you can safely ENJOY your yarga. This probably isn't the best kite to go pump it up and just figure things out as you go.

Getting lessons before going into the water is a must do. At the least from a fellow kiter who knows what hes doing.

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yt probably could mush through the learning process on this kite but it will likely take longer and he could hurt himself or someone else

This is what gets me going. There is no reason to say he could hurt himself or someone else because of the kite. He has the chance of that on any kite.

YT Get lessons or at least get with another kiter. Dont be discouraged buy what is said on this form. I used to fly the yargas and the are a great kite.

Does your yarga have a bridal attached to it. I would probably try to run it with the bridal and 5th line. Best site says the fith line was a kit, you might want to call and ask them, i would bet the kit is just the fith line itself you would just have to attach to kite. Running the SLE bridal and fith line give you the best of both worlds, Maximum depower for the kite and fith line safety.
Best has the manual on this kite on their website.
Also what bar are you using?

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Originally posted by snobdr Quote: yt probably could mush through the learning process on this kite but it will likely take longer and he could hurt himself or someone else This is what gets me going. There is no reason to say he could hurt himself or someone else because of the kite. He has the chance of that on any kite.

Snobdr, you disagree with everyone I've ever heard mention a "C" kite with respect to learning to kiteboard. That is the reason I say he is more likely to hurt himself with a kite that depowers less. It is not an absolute thing, it is relative. Yes, you can hurt yourself or someone else with any kite, but conventional wisdom says the chances are greater if an inexperienced pilot is learning with an inflatable kite that has less depower than other inflatable kites that have more. Are there any schools out there using C kites for teaching beginners? That would certainly help you back up your stand here, which with your penchant for safety really puzzles me.

The bottom line here is to give yt35 some good sound advice that will help him progress on the best path possible. Getting lessons seems to be something everyone agrees on.

How much time do u have in the water Bob? Any personal experence with a c-kite? Ever fly a yarga? do you know anything about the 07 yargas? Are you speaking out of experence or out your bottom end?

I stated in my post that I was speaking from what I had learned from many others whose experience and opinion I trust. I have several friends that had been into kiteboarding before I got my first 4 line kite that told me their horror stories about why they don't fly "C" kites anymore. They then referenced the low prices that could be found on them because the technology had improved significantly making learning easier and safer with the newer bow kites (among other designs) so throngs of people were dumping their C kites on the market. I made no delusional comments indicating I myself was expert. So maybe now I've circumvented your attempt to discredit my personal experience with C kites by saying I have none. My point was that your opinion is in opposition with ALL of them. These are both local and not so local personal contacts as well as way too many hours scouring forums to learn all I can about this fine sport. I won't resort to personal attacks to help make my point in a discussion. I'm merely pointing out that your opinion is very different from everything I've learned these past few years. Can we make this discussion about the kites instead of each other? This topic was started by YT35 and should be about helping him move forward safely and effectively.

So all you can talk about is heresay. I have heard horror stories about c kites also, and i have heard horror stories on other kites as well.
They are not the BEST KIT TO LEARN but that does not mean its the worst either.
If he takes his time, gets some lessons/help he can learn on this kite just as easy.
This is a hybrid c kite, it has more depower then a standard c, almost as much as some SLE kites as it uses an SLE bridal
Many of us learned on c kites, we are not superheros, its not that hard. Lesson centers get new kites almost every year. They get the best of the best. Does that mean we need the best to learn on. NO

Depower isnt that much of a factor, Many land dwellers fly fixed bridal( no Depower), Why dosent everyone switch to depower kites if its the only safe way to go?

You want to help YT stop making him feel like hes got junk that will get him hurt.
IM done with this, YT you want help with it U2U me ill do the best i can to get you going.

thanks man, i appreciate your input.

We've chewed this fat before to no avail............................like they say opinions are like a** holes...........everybodys got one and it stinks 30 minutes after you wash it........................:duh::duh:

Snob you alwayyz run when the heat turns on................................If you cant take the heat shut your hole:duh::duh:

didnt you know that we live in snob world and his word is law!!!

ps i also learnt on C's, but i now dont use them. i am also not a kid but thanks for the compliment. ive been kiting for many many years and people who know me tend to agree that i know what im talking about (re kites)

oh yeah an arc has more in common with a C then a bow.

and my comment still stands re yt35 if you dont want to take good advice then dont ask for it. there is only 1 person recommending that you use your yarga to learn on, doesnt that tell you something?

anyway, good winds

flysafe
and get some lessons

Whatever!!

None of you have flown the 07 yarga so .......Dont talk about the flavor if you havent chewed the bubblegum.

ive flown most kites being a shop rider and all so im sure the yarga was in there somewhere. oh btw it tasted of strawberry!!!!

Oh so sorry, carl you must be the man. Tell us then, how does the 07 differ from an older yarga? what size did you fly? Did you fly it in both configurations? SLE and non SLE? How much difference in depower was there in each configuration? How did it handle on the water in both configurations? IM sure you can tell us all about it, as being a shop rider i know you gave it a good demo session.

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Originally posted by snobdr Oh so sorry, carl you must be the man. i accept your apology.

Come on now,you say you flew the kite fill us in?

I tried to tell ya'll...............................................:duh::duh:

snob, honestly you're like a one legged man in an ass kickin contest...................just go away..........................:duh::duh:

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We've chewed this fat before to no avail............................like they say opinions are like a** holes...........everybodys got one and it stinks 30 minutes after you wash it........................

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Snob you alwayyz run when the heat turns on................................If you cant take the heat shut your hole

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I tried to tell ya'll...............................................

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snob, honestly you're like a one legged man in an ass kickin contest...................just go away..........................

Tridude you seem to have nothing to add at all so why dont you go away.

Everyone is saying the guy will have problems learning on this kite. This is based on "he said this, they said that" No one here has any experence with the kite, well except Carl says he has flown one, but dosent have any opinion on it at all and cant answer any questions it.
Not to mention most of you dont have any water experence at all or very limited experence.

Why can people fly non depower kites on land but yet you must have depower on water?

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im not saying a C is a bad kite but a bow or sle are better to learn on

Oh wait if you actually flew the kite then you would know that this kite can be flown as an SLE. It comes with an SLE bridal which extends the depower range of this kite.

None of you have made any valid arguement of why he cant learn on this kite. SURE he could have paid more money and got a kite more suited for a beginner. YES there are kites out there that are suited to a Beginner. He dosent have one of them. He wants help with what he has. With the 5th line this kite is as safe as anything out there. And he will be able to learn with this kite.

actually I have alot to contribute but you're another story......your ninja mind games wont work here young grasshopper but anytime you'd like to meet up for a little one on one counseling Ill be more than happy to contribute..............warning.....................your chances of success are slim, very slim............................glad to be here proud to serve.................:duh::duh:

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actually I have alot to contribute

Hmmmmmmm i listed you posts on this topic above. Looks like you have contributed NOTHING.

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but anytime you'd like to meet up for a little one on one counseling Ill be more than happy to contribute..............warning.....................your chances of success are slim, very slim..

And were reduced to making childish threats.]

no threats just promises.............................again you're way out of your league.................
:duh::duh:

you're def worth a ban.....................................:duh::duh:

tridud your a joke.

you come on this thread, add nothing, just attack me

And im the one who should be baned?

havnt you got a bridge to go play under!!!!!