Theed
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Tips on setting up Twister 5.5 with bar
I got some problems getting my Twister 5.5 to fly properly on a steerbar, i got the original PL bar. The kite flies great on handles though.
But once i attach the bar it keeps either flying backwards or when i adjust the steering lines i tends to "over-fly" me. Anybodyot the same issues or
do have tips, maybe some pics of your steering bar could help me out..
Thx
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flyguy0101
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Just making sure of obvious power lines on the outside brakes to the middle on FB
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Bladerunner
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When I demo tested my 7.7 on a bar it flew like a wet rag. It took the whole window to turn. It flew real well on handles so I fixed the problem by
returning the bar and ordering my kite with handles.
Even if you get the kite tuned to fly on the bar you have effectively taken away all fine break input from a kite that thrives on it ?
Kites: 2.5m Profoil , Quadrifoil XL kitesurfer, NPW 5 Danger.
Flexifoil: 1.7m Sting, 4.9m Blade 3, 9m Blade 2.
Flysurfer : 19m Speed 2 SA, 7m Pulse
Peter Lynn :18m Phantom, 15m Synergy, 10m Synergy, 1200 Farc, 460 Sarc, 130 Tarc, 5m Peel, 4.2m , 6.4, 8.5 C-Quads, 3.5 LS2 single skin.
Rides: Flexi / P.L. Frankin'Buggy , Shaped + straight skiis, sand skis, Coyote blades. Core 95 ATB. RKB R2 ATB .
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acampbell
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If it's an original Twister, the larger sizes will not fly well on a bar. Peter Lynn people knew this and the Twister II did better. Your kite would
benefit a bit from a cross-over bar, which amplifies brake inputs.
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Demoknight
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From when I saw Ssayre's Twister laid out on the ground, it looks very close to a HQ Toxic in sail shape and aspect ratio. From what he tells me
about the way it flies, it flies very similarly as well. LOTS of brake input is needed to turn those kites effectively. My Toxic steers almost
entirely by the brakes. The only time I need to work the power lines is sometimes to pump them to help keep the sail full in light winds.
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ssayre
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All the above advice is great. Personally I can't imagine flying my twister without brake line input, you won't be able to milk the power out of it
when needed and it would just overall be less effective imo.
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Theed
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Thx all, its a twister II, so it seems thatni need to put in more brake-line instead of less, even on a bar..will give it a go next time.
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ssayre
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Thx all, its a twister II, so it seems thatni need to put in more brake-line instead of less, even on a bar..will give it a go next time.
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If you have a standard bar for it, you can't fly it with any brake input. A standard bar only steers off of the power lines.
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Bladerunner
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I wasted a lot of time and money trying to make my fixed bridle kites fly on a bar. People told me I was wasting time but ...
Here is what I found :
Standard bars with a single pulley on the brakes turns your kite into a 2 line with little to no brake input from the bar. Not all kites take to a
bar.
Crossover system adds brake input as you turn the bar. This is helpful with larger foils but not a perfect solution. The extra weight of the pulleys
plays out on the brakes when on smaller foils and it really effects them in light winds.
An interesting example is my 4.5m Bullet was awful on a bar yet my 7m Bullet flew pretty good ?
I was struggling inland one day with my 5m Ace . Basically getting no place on the bar due to shifty / messy winds. Out of desperation I put handles
on and it was like I had a completely different kite ! I managed a ride that night and slowly said good bye to FB on bars .
This was all long ago and Oz' has come out with the Turbo bar since. I haven't tried one but think they make a lot of sense? So do the new Nasa wings
if you want a bar ?
Years ago I was taught to hook in with my handles proper. Holding my handles out like a bar and controlling the kite with brake trim, like my depower
kites. This method has served me well and I think made me a better pilot. I realized someplace along the line that I was trying to build a bar to make
up for my lack of real pilot skills. Learning how the FB is really designed and to be controlled by handles was far more valuable than all the time
and money spent on bars!
Folks all told me but I had to learn . I am not saying don't play with bars. Just saying I tried and have seen why it is time and $
wasted.
I feel of all kites on a bar a Twister is like castrating the kites design ! I am stuck on why you would want to lose all brake control from a kite
that is designed to boost you on brakes ?
Kites: 2.5m Profoil , Quadrifoil XL kitesurfer, NPW 5 Danger.
Flexifoil: 1.7m Sting, 4.9m Blade 3, 9m Blade 2.
Flysurfer : 19m Speed 2 SA, 7m Pulse
Peter Lynn :18m Phantom, 15m Synergy, 10m Synergy, 1200 Farc, 460 Sarc, 130 Tarc, 5m Peel, 4.2m , 6.4, 8.5 C-Quads, 3.5 LS2 single skin.
Rides: Flexi / P.L. Frankin'Buggy , Shaped + straight skiis, sand skis, Coyote blades. Core 95 ATB. RKB R2 ATB .
Ken (K2)
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Theed
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True....i am flying kites for over 15 years now and still havent found a good bar/kite-combi...thought maybe afger a break for 7 years things would
have changed...but i guess i am wrong. On handles the Twister 5.5 is an great kite, so i think i stick with the handels and learn how to ride my
mountainboard without a bar..
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Bladerunner
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The good bar kite combination comes with depower kites. They have certainly improved.
Fixed Bridle kites have also improved in many ways but they are designed to respond to handles .
The big change in controlling FB kites is the Ozone Turbo bar. They are not cheap and don't work on some kites. + still cost you some fine control.
You know that you can still use a harness and hook in with handles? That is the way you will get the most out of a Twister.
If you have a strong desire to ride with a bar I suggest you look at a depower kite. I enjoy riding ATB most with a good depower on a bar so I
understand your position. I was there once. After much resistance I accepted that FB are best on handles. Kites like the Twister are designed to
perform on fine brake control. You can tune that bar to work on the Twister but effectively castrate it and will be left mowing the lawn with it. It
will simplify flying but too much IMHO.
Kites: 2.5m Profoil , Quadrifoil XL kitesurfer, NPW 5 Danger.
Flexifoil: 1.7m Sting, 4.9m Blade 3, 9m Blade 2.
Flysurfer : 19m Speed 2 SA, 7m Pulse
Peter Lynn :18m Phantom, 15m Synergy, 10m Synergy, 1200 Farc, 460 Sarc, 130 Tarc, 5m Peel, 4.2m , 6.4, 8.5 C-Quads, 3.5 LS2 single skin.
Rides: Flexi / P.L. Frankin'Buggy , Shaped + straight skiis, sand skis, Coyote blades. Core 95 ATB. RKB R2 ATB .
Ken (K2)
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