pongnut
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Re-launch - freshwater vs. saltwater
I had someone tell me that it's not even worth trying to fly closed-cell foils on freshwater because they saturate way quicker making it near
impossible to relaunch if it hits the water. He said just pick up an LEI and not even mess with foils on freshwater.
What say you?
2m Radsails Pro (from crazyherb), 2.1m Symphony Beach II (from Amazon), 3m HQ Beamer IV (from K-Bid), 4m Pansh Flux (from garydog), 4.7m Flexifoil
Rage (from mougl), 5.6m PL Twister IIR (from Big Mike), 6m Flysurfer Peak 1 (from Flysurfer USA), 11m HQ Neo II (from kiteplace), 19m PL Venom II
(from Smeagol), MBS Core 95 ATB (from Overstock.com), couple of ROSSIGNOL snowboards w/ SIS "click" bindings
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markite
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I fly fresh water all the time - never had a problem with an arc filling with water - but I never put them in the water that much. Usually when they
went in, it was a really windy big wave day and then it was the waves that would roll a kite that were the concern.
Depends on the kite and how it's made how well it keeps water out.
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WindSpeed kites & design - Canada
Peter Lynn Arcs: Charger2 22.5 +18 + 15 + 6.5, Charger I 6, Scorpion 16 + 10, Phantom II 12 + 9, Orig Phantom 9 + 6, Synergy 10 + 8, F 1200, S 840
Ocean Rodeo: Flite 17 + 12, Rise 13 + 10 + 7, Razor 9 + 6
Foils: PL Leopards and Lynx, Airea Raptors, some PL Reactor IIs + IIIs, Libre Spirits, Cross Kite Sonics, Ozone Flow
Peter Lynn Kite Cat for cruising the lakes
buggies: PL XR+, Cameleon Pagona, custom bigfoot, PL Bigfoot, custom ice buggy
Boards: 2 custom directionals, O.R Surf series 6-3 and 5-11, Mako Duke, Mako Skinny, Mako 140 Wide, Mako 150 Wide, Mako King, Brunotti
lots of old school skis, snowboard
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mdpminc
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Mood: so want to get out, but no free time :-(
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As above said
Foils: Phantom2 15, Aurora 19 custom, F-1200, S-840, JN Luis 10, JN Randas 8
Inflados: Ocean Rodeo: Flite 17.5m, Rise LW15m, Razor 12m and 10m, Prodigy 7m
Boards: Mako Duke, Mako King, 6'6" Bushman shortned to 5'8"
Land 'n snow: "Tsar" RC2000 Nobile, 150 SantaCruz TT with IceBlade, 159 Mongoose Grand Slalom
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erratic winds
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Yeah, salinity doesn't really affect water penetration into a ripstop fabric, it's more a act of how porous (or non!) a material is...
I think this person either had a bad experience firsthand or heard tales of one..
Tide? What's a tide? Man, it's 1000 miles to any ocean.
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Snake
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This should be the other way around! Nylon is hydrophobic meaning is repels water. the water will bead up and fall off the fabric. The way the kite
gets saturated in water is through the capillary effect. The capillary effect is when the surface tension of a fluid caused it to be pulled into a
small opening. The more worn a kite gets, the more little gaps between the threads for the water to fill. Now heres the kicker. Saltwater is heavier
than regular water and has more surface tension, so the gets absorbs more water that is heavier than regular water.
Arcs - Charger I 8m, 10m, 12m, Venom I 13m - F-Arc 1200, 1600
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Michael Gaylan
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As "Snake" above wrote about the surface tension of the water, it can be lessened or weakened by many factors such as age, heat, and soap. Yes soap
can lower the surface tension and cause the fabric to absorb water quickly too which is how laundry soap works. When I read about this it reminded me
of the water bugs that walk on water, they do so because water tension.
I am not sure if spaying something such as "Scotch Guard" or similar product would work, but maybe there is a product that can be sprayed on nylon, to
increase water tension.
Just an arbitrary thought ..
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Kamikuza
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Balls. Fly the Flysurfers on the lake all the time. Even swam in with the 21 twice and 15 once. Tonnes of float! and they're not brand new kites 
Yeah... I got a kite. Or two...
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pongnut
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Cool! That's what I was kinda hoping you guys would say as I have a couple of kites I wouldn't mind trying on the water one of these days, and being
over a thousand miles from saltwater in any direction, its either sink or kiteboard in freshwater.
2m Radsails Pro (from crazyherb), 2.1m Symphony Beach II (from Amazon), 3m HQ Beamer IV (from K-Bid), 4m Pansh Flux (from garydog), 4.7m Flexifoil
Rage (from mougl), 5.6m PL Twister IIR (from Big Mike), 6m Flysurfer Peak 1 (from Flysurfer USA), 11m HQ Neo II (from kiteplace), 19m PL Venom II
(from Smeagol), MBS Core 95 ATB (from Overstock.com), couple of ROSSIGNOL snowboards w/ SIS "click" bindings
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Kamikuza
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While we're at it - I see no bloody difference in the "float" of salt- or freshwater either... I sink just as well in both.
Yeah... I got a kite. Or two...
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