Trying to decide between these two kites. The Rhino is a little pricier, but I might be able to swing it. Both come ready to fly in perfect working order. Obviously the size difference is something, but I fly at my typical spot with my friends' 16m trimmed heavily sometimes (snowkiting on skis) and feel pretty good on the 12 most days with no trimming. winds are usually 7-15 mph, occassionally 20. I'm really into jumping, but also want a manueverable and fun/friendly kite. I already have a 10m ozone access2 that I have fun on, but want something liftier so that I can bring a friend and let them use the 10m while I kite on the other. Any info would be greatly appreciated! Thanks!

if you have a 10 I would be looking for a 14 rather than a 12 or 16..... You say it yourself you love the 16 but heavily trimmed....so 16 is a bit big for you at your skill level + your location....

Both brands are very high quality.... if you absolutely MUST choose between these two instead of looking for a 14, I would choose the 16, otherwise there is significant overlap between the access10m and the Mach12m

There is a 13m bandit as well that is comparably priced, similar condition and everything. The 12m mach 1 is just a really good deal, and college has got me strapped for cash, so it is kind of a price thing right now, but I wanted to see if anybody could convince me to spend more...

You will always want more kites than you have money to buy. There will always be an amazing deal that's JUST out of your price range.

With your 10, do you spend more time on the sideline from not able to move, or totally overpowered? That determines what your next kite should be. I'm assuming you're having plenty of time where the 10 ain't enough, so you want more sail. The 13 might be the right one for you, the 16 might be too much. I started with a 12, and got a 9, and eventually got a 15. Now, I ride my 9 or 15, and my 12 is outclassed. Just remember that you're not buying a kite for life, there are good reasons to outgrow all sorts of excellent kites.

Any chance you can fly em before you buy? This is the best reason to buy locally.

ALSO- Final Dillon Snowkite Series is this weekend. Come up and demo some ozone!

Thanks for the invite, but I'm going to try to learn to surf in Cali (lifelong dream) for spring break next weekend.

No local opportunities really to demo. The 10m was something I wanted to get to make sure that I would like the sport, as well as be a dependable engine for accessing new backcountry ski terrain. I didn't foresee getting into the jumping/flatland side of things. I am pretty well powered on my 10m and have only had one day when the wind wasn't quite blowing hard enough and we had 16" of fresh pow, which is quite rare. I've yet to spend a day on the sidelines because of being underpowered or overpowered. I was leaning toward the mach 1, because the whole setup is less than a bar and lines alone, and then I can potentially buy a bigger kite when the time is right and use the same bar setup. am I being rational?
Thanks for the info and helping me out. Have fun at Dillon!