@blade: bottom end does not seem to be affected at all ! only thing that is changes is the minimal added weight due to the pulleys ! if the bar / handles are in neutral position, the bridle positions are the same as if your twister / reactor were in fixed bridle mode. so i think there is no harm to lowend except 20 gramm or so more weight .. of course it could be that steering is different and maybe you cant achieve as much finesse as with fixed bridle brake only steering .. but i actually think the opposite may be true: better airflow because steering is not just braking (and a little AoA) but much more effective AoA changing and thus better airflow? but i think that can be answered better by the experts (krumly?)

will move new infos to a new thread - hope to get more wind and testing the "depower twister" this weekend!

Kind of like the FS system?

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Originally posted by herc i finally depower - modded our twister 7.7 ! it was easier than i thought ! two pulleys, a little bit of rope and around half an hour of working time.

Hijacking a thread about LEI's is not the worst crime in the world. :P

What strikes me about this is that the PL fixed bridles are typically cascaded such that the A, B and C's don't come together at one point. So for example they are not good candidates for a Flexifoil AAA adjuster kit. So I'd have to think that the measurements of the mixer would have to be very carefully planned out and spot on.

I too would like to see more. I'm with Ken on wanting to adapt this to the Reactors, especially the big ones. I just hate that awful feeling when flying the 8.6 or 10.8 and a gust comes along...

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Originally posted by Bladerunner Interesting side track ! I have a feeling I may want to try this with my Reactor ? I have to wonder what I will lose of the excellent bottom end I'm getting. I'll be interested in how it effects your bottom end ? Please DO post on the results further . + can you please U2U me more details on how you went about it.

i have a spare UDS Kit that we can use.

Thanks Rip,

Plenty of time to tinker with our low winds this summer. I'm still interested in Hercs method + results. I have a 4 line bar a can probably dedicate to this venture.

Another one! Not sure about the colour ...

Don't be alarmed, these colors are for prototypes only, the actual models will look different.

i'm anxious to see what bar set up they will use for the lei. i wonder if it'll be the nav bar

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Originally posted by Pulsar Don't be alarmed, these colors are for prototypes only, the actual models will look different.

Insider info? Actually I am not too bothered by it. They do not have skulls, peace signs, furry animals or any of the usual ugly tube graphics. The Phantom of course is the exception for odd but cool graphics.

it will have a new bar

good looking kite..............pulleys, direct, or pilots call?

I can see pulleys in that last pic ...

So how did you find that photo Kami? I went to the hosting website and it is a Dutch kiteboarding site.
Rip what is the release date Q4?

kiteforum.com has a thread ...

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Originally posted by AD72 Insider info?

Kind of. I flew one of these on the same day the pics were taken.

LEI ! looks like an c-hybrid. My navi bar worked great for my c-hybrid (esp. the stopper ball). and also my c-hybrid bar works great with my arcs!

RACE was mentioned in the thread i believe ....

i had a chance to ride the 183 Cab race board. in general it rides like a windsurfer/surf board, on top thru the finns and definitely no rail!

very technical ride and fast. the apex upwind device on the planet.

for a look... http://www.cabrinhakites.com/2011-raceboard.html

a friend has one and makes 10 mph air on the water look completely amazing. when he comes in and stops onshore kite just falls. crazy. (he also has Olympic windsurf skills which i thinks makes a difference)

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by MonkeyAir » Today, 9:03 pm

Ok.....The little date on my protos said 09....for the PL tubes but kites were pretty crispy and the R and D has been continuing. They did not want to release anything not ready for prime time. I used the nine meter tube a lot out here and with a modified caution bar, GK quick release and a flysurfer bag, nobody had a clue what sort of kite the logo less stealth kites were. The nine was fantastic turning and had great grunt per size. Good acceleration through the window and like the eleven proto that came later had about two million possible alternative bridle attachment point and they made a HUGE difference.

Wanted to get views from a light guy in a bit more consistent trades so team rider, Dr Stan got the nine to test and he is absolutely raving about it after re doing the bridles for some proto stretch length discrepancies. He absolutely loves the thing. It has good speed, power and de power he believes and just might be his all time favorite kite for low wind... He is a light guy and how low in wind speed he can go with that nine is really crazy. The kite is a bit lower aspect than some of the other flatter kites out there with still a bit of canopy curve for turning. I always have a truck load of other tube kites and more than likely other companies latest is in a buds hands next to me or on the beach nearby to compare. After moving the bridles forward and with the over year old bridle measurements, the kite does not stall at all and depowers well while still allowing an on tip whip. (This range is going to be hugely effected by new bridle) Light years difference with bridle adjustments. It is a simple one pump on the old protos we have and on 20 m lines, they deliver good apparent wind quickly and get power on up stroke with speed when you let the kite run as with an arc. No, it is not the speed of the small super low aspect D kites in turns but still ok with better power per size than many.
Got a great five hours starting in the ultimate light wind throwing the heck out of the kite with nobody else out to a solid 18 average, gusting to 24 down at Topanga the other day. The kite has HUGE upwind in combination with the keel fins on the old stapless fish it is a hard to beet combo at least with all the other kiters I have been around lately. Lots of cab 13 m guys, Naish etc, but the combo of 11 PL tub and fish was the upwind master after each down the line wave. The kite would park and pull without stall and it was not a perfect side off wind sort of situation, but rather more side shore wind direction. The glide of the big fish allowed floating over sections and making top to bottom sections. The speed towards the kite did not cause the usual early model tube kite stall. Chasing the kite is doable of course but and turning is good for this shape kite. I like super fast turning kites like Kimas and low aspect D kites for wave applications. THis kite is a good park and ride but like to be thrown around though the turn is just a little bit more open.

The speed and pull at the edge of the window is impressive. Some kites race to the edge and then...ooopps..where's the power. At least in the config of bridle points I am now running on the eleven you can sheet in enough to get great upwind and power. My makeshift proto bar has super long throw and it makes for a great amount of wind range from snap turning to letting it run. Obviously number of pulleys, location, bridle, etc makes for a large or small amount of depower per cm of chicken loop depower used. Not sure what final bridles are but if same as mine, in hopes the factory comes out with something like this.

They are well built in these early proto models and like many other brands, a lot of internal pressure for the bit flatter shape. The new protos and soon production kite will of course be a bit different than our protos and having spent so much time now on the protos, got to say, am excited for the release and to see which of the miraid of possible bridle attachment points, they keep on the kite.
So what of the charger 15, my everyday kite? .. Well with a baby and wife everyday is once in a while and whenever a new 15 comes in for me, another customer needs it. Really excited to get a run at a 15 charger with our stand up paddle board in the lightest of stuff. Now that there are some other pictures of the new PL with logos out, guess will get some of the old protos to put up as well. Arcs will always be in my quiver, nice to have this new option as well. Think they have a good all round tube from our experience on the protos. Yeah, I would like a pure low aspect D from PL for waves but this flatter shape works surprisingly well for the application with a board that carries momentum. Picked up a ninety nine dollar six foot one bit wider cornflake thruster short board off of Craig's list to test the ability of the PL eleven tube and a small surfboard for me. It would require the kite to show great upwind and grunt. The kite performed beautifully and I had a blast at County Line with it the other day. PL does work well with apparent wind and this baby also has some grunt. Guess the gang is going to find out it is not a caution or flysurfer tube kite after all...snicker,,,snicker....Another reason to keep the old bags and bars...Going to order as many of the new tube PLs as can to get around and get other reviews but am quite confident they filled that missing little thing for light wind and " a tube kite in the quiver" lots of arc users might consider. Time to order another charger 15m again as well but got to buy more diapers first.
Traig
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How are they going to price it, I wonder?

we are hoping for a release in the next little bit, while summer is still going on, Q2 is the goal

unfortunately these will not made it to The Kite Expo in time.

And more important than price - what sizes?

More public pimpage at arcusers!

http://www.arcusers.net/download/file.php?id=126

for those who didnt noticed yet: the new PL kites website is online:

http://peterlynn.com/

(some of the 2011 fixed bridle kite versions are online. but nothing spectacular yet)

i saw lots of secret gear at NABX, theres some good looking stuff thats coming out. if any of you are going to wildwood or jibe i have the Impulse if you would like to try flying it