I've just moved to Wellington, NZ and decided to get back into powerkiting. I've not bought a kite in years, and used to own a 4m Blade 3 some years
ago. After finding out how windy this city is, I find myself craving my old kite (broken and thrown out by my ex and never replaced. Well, the ex was
replaced!).
So... I'm after some advice about what kite to buy. I'm looking for something with lots of lift that's safe to use in strong winds. I just want to use
the kite for doing jumps on land. I appreciate any advice about brands, models and size recommendations!
Thanks.MotoFoo86 - 6-11-2015 at 03:06 PM
High wind jumping is scary. Big kites give better glide, small kites are the ones that drop you out of the sky. Which of course are what you want in
high winds not to be overpowered.
My 2 centsLewyh - 6-11-2015 at 03:42 PM
Ooooh fast reply, thanks!
Not sure if I'd have the balls to fly a big kite in any wind, I was more wondering if anyone could recommend a 2-4m kite that's got good lift...
Though aren't most kites under 4m designed for beginners, rather than for lift?MotoFoo86 - 6-11-2015 at 04:00 PM
Nah there are plenty of advanced kites ment for buggies. The danger is that even a 2m can loft you in the right wind, but they will drop you like
they're not even there. Blades got the widowmaker reputation because of that, 4.9m especially lifted you up 15 feet then dropped you. Perhaps you
could further define high wind?Lewyh - 6-11-2015 at 05:06 PM
I'm not in a buggy, just on foot and hopefully in the air a bit.
I've been doing some research and am interested in a Peter Lynn Voltage, but I'm now worries that 4m would be too big for Wellington winds (it really
is a windy city, you can't underestimate!), but worried that 3m would drop me too fast coming down.Lewyh - 6-11-2015 at 05:08 PM
Regarding the wind, its light today which is about 40kph...gemini6kl - 6-11-2015 at 05:31 PM
I think one of the things tht makes small foils dangerous in high winds is the fact that they can be unstable and even collapse on a jump, try a small
3m closed cell foil or better yet an arc if you want something a little more safe. but like everyone said no small kite is safe in strong winds but a
closed cell foil is a lot safer. I used to use a 3m blade III for jumping in strong winds on sand at the beach and liked it but I knew my limits and
would not take it in silly winds as being yanked up and dropped very fast is not fun. nate76 - 6-11-2015 at 06:16 PM
Kind of what I've found in my not-entirely-extensive kiting experience is this: the smaller the kite, the pop-ier the kite; the bigger the kite, the
floaty-ier the kite. Meaning that a small kite will have more pop and perhaps even more height, but it will also typically bring you down faster.
With a bigger kite, you tend to launch more gentle but also land more gentle.
With my 18m Matrixx2, I don't tend to get very high (some of that admittedly is just my lack of ability), but the glides just seem to go on and on.
And the landings are super soft. Which I love. I'm getting too old for hard landings.
But to each his own. That's one thing I love about this sport, is that there are so many ways to enjoy it.Demoknight - 6-11-2015 at 06:19 PM
19m Flysurfer Speed 3 Deluxe. I have gotten static jumps around 20ft and hangtime of close to 10 seconds static as well. Don't jump on small kites.
Bare minimum I would even suggest is an 8m+ fixed bridle. Otherwise, get yourself a 10+ depower and enjoy the easymode huge air.WELDNGOD - 6-11-2015 at 06:59 PM
Wait for it...... wait.... Jumping is the fastest ,easiest way to see the INSIDE of your femur..... MotoFoo86 - 6-11-2015 at 07:00 PM
I give you this video, as a proof of exactly what can happen (there was pilot error involved in this too, his redirect doesn't appear every happened,
but you get the idea)
Any questions?WELDNGOD - 6-11-2015 at 07:01 PM
I rest my case... Lewyh - 6-11-2015 at 07:13 PM
OK thanks for all the great advice. It's sounding like I shouldn't be using a kite here because using an 8m plus kite seems like suicide. MotoFoo86 - 6-11-2015 at 07:21 PM
I'm on the topic now so here's another one:
Not quite the same finish the first one had... I always love that the cameras stop filming right after the landing. Problem is, if the kite is still
airborne you may not be done getting pulled. If you're smart on FB you let go, or on depower you pulled your safety... Hard to be smart when the
ground is rushing up to meet you. I had a 1.2m kite loft me once, line broke when i hit the ground and the kite went into a death spiral. It's what
got me into kiting, but i was real lucky there wasn't anything in my way. That was in 35-40 mph winds.Feyd - 6-11-2015 at 07:22 PM
Small kites are not for jumping. Not over solid ground at least.
Demo is right, no smaller than an 8m FB or even depow.
FWIW IMO if you aren't experienced or confident enough to simply fly an 8m, jumping is probably not going to treat you well. :PMotoFoo86 - 6-11-2015 at 07:30 PM
I'd like to make a suggestion however, rather than just not kiting at all why not just give up on the jumping aspect. If you're lucky enough to have
STABLE winds there are plenty of kites that you could have a lot of fun with. Just try to keep your feet on the ground. Maybe get a small depow (like
a 3.5m or 5.5m apex, or 4, 6 access) and dink around with that or a small fixed bridle, then get yourself a mountain board and have even more fun! 40
kph are below what most people around here would say is to fast to fly in. I think alot of people limit themselves around 50kph. That being said,
STABLE winds are key. Gusts suck.Lewyh - 6-11-2015 at 07:50 PM
I'll have a think about maybe buying a 4m Peter Lynn Voltage for days when its quieter. My old blade 3 was 4m and that was OK for jumps. Maybe it'll
be fine, otherwise I can just have a blast around or buy a mountain board...smallies - 6-11-2015 at 07:52 PM
There's a big fat hill between 2 ponds here in Mass and I need to jump them don't need femur. There's even a hung up pine tree to launch from at the
top. Can't spend much cause trees will kill it. Guess a northeast wind would be first to try. Jet stream touched down here one winter. We had 100mph
on an innocuous winter day. http://www.google.com/maps/@41.7591778,-70.0160064,16zsmallies - 6-11-2015 at 07:57 PM
In my limited experience, the smaller the kite, the faster you need to be going to avoid an unexpected hard landing. Seems somewhat counter-intuitive
at first, but your forward motion stays relatively constant, so if you hit a hole in the wind, you only lose some of your lift, not all of it at once.
Definitely safer static flying with a bigger kite as the previous replies have said. LEIs down to about 8m also seem to work well for static
flying/jumping.Bladerunner - 6-11-2015 at 08:19 PM
MotoFoo Gives the advice I would.
Get back into flying with an appropriate small kite. Don't stress so much about jumping until you are familiar with your new area. Once you have a
feel for the winds you will be in a much better position to decide if and what you will want to use to get airborne. AND land safely !!!!
It is not impossible to jump and land softly with a smaller kite but it DEMANDS perfect timing and control once in the air in order to keep lift in a
small canopy + strong steady wind. NOT something that comes naturally!
When jumping with a larger canopy the kite is slower and offers lift without having to see " apparent wind " . I find the slower kite easier to keep
overhead and avoid over shooting / looping. In old Flysurfer manuals they said if lofted to relax and realize you are now under a paraglider. They
could say that because they only built kites 7m and larger and did so to paraglider standards.
So .... don't give up on the wind. Get a good high wind kite and start resetting those reflex memories. Do so while assessing your new location and
deciding for yourself what type of kite will allow you to jump ( and land ) safely . If your location ends up very gusty with strong winds I suggest
you reconsider the location? Consider going to a depower kite. You can fly a larger canopy in the same wind compared to FB + when fully powered you
need only to set the kite and pull in the bar to go up! :D
Avoid standing around with even a small kite overhead in strong winds. Keep it off to one side. smallies - 6-11-2015 at 08:35 PM
I second all advice. i would add that if jumping is the goal the. I would start witb name brand 3m type kite bought second hand and gain skill and
knowledge of your winds but not jump. Then research and buy a proper depower. Nz has kiters and you could seek out if anyone is close and try seek
advice for what works for them. Getting advice from people that are in the same place or have same conditions is usually beneficial. MotoFoo86 - 6-11-2015 at 08:48 PM
Smallies, you need to seriously think about what you're doing. Right now everything you've said makes me think that your plan is highly ill advised. I
certainly would not try to glide 150 feet on a prism tensor. They are ment as a beginner powerkite, 4.2m is far to small to really glide on anyhow.
Also the gps coordinates lead me to a heavily tree'd area, that leaves a lot of things that could possibly snag a line. As far as the wind speed i
give you this video as proof of what happens when you fly massively overpowered which you would be anywhere near 100mph winds. I don't know any
experienced kiter that will fly above 35-40 mph without SERIOUS safety considerations.
If you're seriously considering doing this (which i don't advise) please please please do alot more research and alot of training with appropriate
kites before attempting. Also, it's a serious consideration that you're trying to do this on the cheap when the kites that will actually allow you to
do this are anything but cheap. If you must do this, you're absolutely going to want a larger depower foil, they provide you with he safest methods of
lift and glide. Again, not cheap
Please consider that if you get severely hurt/killed or hurt someone else in the process it will hurt everyone in the kiting community. We are a small
group of people, and spots, and privileges are to easily taken away when people do especially stupid things. BEC - 6-11-2015 at 09:04 PM
This is not intended to be mean at all.....
Here is what I would tell anyone who is asking how to jump......IF you need to ask how to do it....then you shouldn't be doing it. When you have
enough experience you don't need to know what size kite to jump with.....when you are experienced enough you will have this skill set to do it and an
appreciation for it.
I've jumped with a 1.8 m kite and I've jumped with an 8m blade....those things can seriously mess you up. I don't think sitting in a wheel chair for
the rest of your life for 3 seconds of fun is worth it. I can't even begin to tell you how scary just 15 feet off the ground is....feels like 50.
Have fun flying static , wear a helmet and in due time you will learn how to jump all on your own. WELDNGOD - 6-11-2015 at 09:21 PM
I don't know any experienced kiter that will fly above 35-40 mph without SERIOUS safety considerations.
I would,w/ a 1.5 Buster soulfly.And I always wear impact protection.
If you're seriously considering doing this (which i don't advise) please please please do alot more research and alot of training with appropriate
kites before attempting. Also, it's a serious consideration that you're trying to do this on the cheap when the kites that will actually allow you to
do this are anything but cheap. If you must do this, you're absolutely going to want a larger depower foil, they provide you with he safest methods of
lift and glide. Again, not cheap
Please consider that if you get severely hurt/killed or hurt someone else in the process it will hurt everyone in the kiting community. We are a small
group of people, and spots, and privileges are to easily taken away when people do especially stupid things.
MotoFoo86 - 6-11-2015 at 09:27 PM
Weldngod is obviously enjoying my taste in videos.Bladerunner - 6-11-2015 at 09:33 PM
The big lesson from that old video is " Don't be Kiter Kevin " !
This guy caused even greater damage to our reputation with his attitude AFTER this stunt.
You will be out there representing all of us! We have lost access and public respect in too many locations. Please keep that in mind. volock - 6-11-2015 at 09:50 PM
And here I thought my accidental air in a buggy with a 2.2m PKD Buster Soulfly was impressive/scary (while in a 75lb buggy). I can't imagine being on
something even small, and that was only a few inches/maybe a foot.
Smallies, your statements terrify me. There's definitely a progression to kiting, and starting out trying to jump is why we nickname certain models
widowmakers. Trees make flying harder from turbulence, even for the experienced, ignoring trying to jump. The Prism is an underated good first kite,
but not for jumping or water. I like my tensor, but it's a freight train with no lift, and isn't water relaunchable. Given where you are tons of
people to learn from and go out with. Why not try to find some locals to learn from and do it the right way?smallies - 6-11-2015 at 10:47 PM
Thanks guys. I think my optimism regarding trees would be greatly lessened actually being there.. I think kites are only allowed 2 months a year at
the National Seashore in the fall. That includes all the crazy cliff beaches. Water is pretty high at the pond lately but that side is shallow.
Getting into Little Cliff would be a good one. Save that for the experts.MotoFoo86 - 6-11-2015 at 10:53 PM
smallies, you should hop over to the "meet up" topic and see if you can find someone in your area interested in helping you out.abkayak - 7-11-2015 at 08:10 AM
Buy a 3m fb..life is no fun w/out a 3m in the back of the car
Jumping will come some other day...w/ some other kiteBladerunner - 7-11-2015 at 04:07 PM
You may be shocked at how far down wind objects like trees will mess up the wind. 7 - 10 times the distance down wind as the object is high is the
rule of thumb. Trying to jump anywhere near trees etc. in gusty wind is a recipe for disaster! You want steady clean winds for that game.
A few trees ruin many good spots around here!
Notice how the general advice has been to get a good 3m kite to feel out new locations and generally resetting your memory reflexes. Introduce friends
to the sport etc.. If winds are as strong as you describe, just handling the power in a 3m will more than the thrill pill you are after. Once you come
to terms with it AND your wind, you will be in a much better place to decide what kind of kite will jump well in your location.
These days if there aren't fellow kite pilots in your area there is probably a reason?
We all understand your desire for air time. It is what attracted many of us. We all found out that jumping is something you work up to. Skipping the
time it takes to be fully in control of the kite without looking usually ends in disaster. The time at a location required to understand it's wind
patterns to. The person who doesn't spend the time often ends up injured and loses interest. All that is left is the video and the black mark on our
reputation.
We all want you to reach your goal. We just want you to go about it safely. Don't be Kiter Kevin! :duh:
smallies - 7-11-2015 at 05:21 PM
I saw that "kite with a 65mph wind" last night, quite the supersonic rag doll! Good point about trees dirtying up the wind. Let me scrounge up a video
and see how bad the trees really are.smallies - 7-11-2015 at 09:41 PM
Made this years ago. Small laptop/tablet preferred. https://youtu.be/s2hd6I-eqj4MotoFoo86 - 8-11-2015 at 01:03 PM
After watching your video I have numerous other concerns about your plan:
1: i did not see any location where you would likely be able to launch a kite with 20-30m lines that most powerkites use safely (without entanglement
on objects)
2: the amount of Lift that would be required to clear the trees would take either a) alot of forward speed off the cliff (probably more than you can
supply at running, running start would also most likely entangle your lines on the abundant trees) or b) high winds that would most likely kick into
the middle of that lake. Swimming with a foil in high winds is not fun, could even be dangerous. If it's an open cell you'd then be connected to a sea
anchor. LEI would be the only type of kite that could probably manage that landing.
3: The sheer volume of trees, the chances that you make it over the trees which is minimal means you're most likely going to be IN the trees. This is
a very dangerous scenario as depending on what they grab you could be suspended, or dropped right out of the sky.
4: Even with forward momunetum and some windspeed you're looking at massive wings (think 21m flysurfer or the biggest dang LEI you could find) these
kites come with a premium. You're probably looking at $1500-2000 for just the kite. You'd still need everything else. A parafoil would probably be a
more logical choice as those are MADE for lift, however see the previous comment about landing in the lake and the sea anchor.
I can't stop you from doing this, but i hope that you never try as i do NOT see this going well. If you notice in videos where professionals do cliff
glide, their take off zones are always wide open. Bladerunner - 8-11-2015 at 01:43 PM
I just skipped through the video expecting to see a kite flying location. All I saw was forest and ponds?
Unless I am missing something that location and strong winds would be crazy to even consider?
Nice place to die though! MotoFoo86 - 8-11-2015 at 01:52 PM
Hahaha you don't hold anything back do you blade. I agree though! Suicide!MotoFoo86 - 8-11-2015 at 01:54 PM
double post... sowwievolock - 8-11-2015 at 02:18 PM
Now the question is do you want us to call the police now, for a psychiatric hold, or the paramedics when you attempt this? Or maybe save us all the
trouble and fine somewhere saner to do this at, and go through the proper steps of learning first. Few of us are to the level of jumping safely that
far on a good location. See and all of that professional's crashes in an area with ideal wind.Windstruck - 8-11-2015 at 02:19 PM
Hahaha you don't hold anything back do you blade. I agree though! Suicide!
Have to agree. "You can't fix stupid" keeps echoing in my mind. I've re-read this thread several times in (misplaced) hope that our regular PKF crowd
is somehow missing something. Alas, it appears that old Smallies is just a nut looking to live a dream as if in a video game. Guess what small-brains,
there's no "time-extended" or new quarter to load into the console in this life.
Beyond the very valid issues raised about access for the rest of us, what about this fellow's loved ones or the poor person who gets to find him
floating and bloated in the pond? Use your head man; life's about more than you. windrider1 - 8-11-2015 at 04:03 PM
Come on guys smallies is pulling our leg, I don't think this guy really exist, he is just having some fun on the board look at his registration date.
I think his ridiculous post are written to get a rise out of u folks. The sideways video of the forest an cliff as a kite flying location is wht
gave him in. lolsmallies - 8-11-2015 at 05:45 PM
The launch point is up top of that leaning pine tree. The pond is very close to the bottom of the hill but shallow. Going far out deeper would be
main concern. I could crash land anywhere on the front of the hill and laugh it off, It's just scrub pine and crap baby oaks just like the one used to
access main tree.Windstruck - 8-11-2015 at 05:53 PM
Come on guys smallies is pulling our leg, I don't think this guy really exist, he is just having some fun on the board look at his registration date.
I think his ridiculous post are written to get a rise out of u folks. The sideways video of the forest an cliff as a kite flying location is wht
gave him in. lol
OK, so you're saying he's just an immature a-hole, not an idiot. Which is worse? Both are an equal waste of time for good folk.smallies - 8-11-2015 at 06:28 PM
The area of benevolent water crash/landing locales is very large.soliver - 8-11-2015 at 08:31 PM
You know, I've been kiting about 4 is years now and on this forum for only a few months less than that, and its a pretty common now that maybe every 6
to 8 months there is someone who is so off the wall that you can't tell whether they are absolutely complete nut balls or pretentious butt-whipes who
are messing around with us because we are serious about our sport.
I remember a guy a little while back who just couldn't understand the difference between kiting and paragliding, because they look alike, so what
makes them different... I remember wondering what the H377 was wrong with that guy... then I realized how frustrated I was getting over something so
ridiculously mundane.
Point being if you ignore it, it will go away... smallies - 8-11-2015 at 08:31 PM
My friend had this low profile house on the beach just one story. In front of the house there was this massive barrier of rose bushes that they dared
me to jump into wrapped up in a blanket for thorn protection. I agreed immediately and jumped from the flat roof. The mess of tightly intertwined
stems had incredible strength and spring to it, it was like jumping on a mattress and box spring. I was the easiest thing ever. Nature has it's
forgiving spots park city. Not all of it is rocks, hard ground, or icy front steps.MotoFoo86 - 8-11-2015 at 08:34 PM
That may be true Smallies... still doesn't make it a good idea
In the end however, it's your life, and none of us can actually stop you. Just discourage.
With that i will end my involvement in the subject.smallies - 8-11-2015 at 08:40 PM
Not even a kite recommendation.smallies - 8-11-2015 at 09:12 PM
Screw it. Going to Tahoe. Maybe get some kite knowledge and huck some cliffs on my 173.Windstruck - 9-11-2015 at 05:37 AM
In front of the house there was this massive barrier of rose bushes
I will leave it at this. When I read your little tale I thought two things. First, that the roses you discuss were purposely lovingly planted by
somebody that took great care to grow, prune, and nurture them over many years into the state they were when you lept into them. Rose growing is a
labor intensive art form and your little stunt likely created two years of work for the person raising those roses. Hey, here's a thought, those
roses were OWNED by somebody other than you. I'm pretty much certain they were'nt owned by your friend.
The second thought is that self-centered thrill seekers like you usually fold like card tables in truly important points in life like combat or when
you are needed to save somebody else's life in a crucial situation up on the mountain. You and your kind are the last people on earth to go
mountaineering with.
Nuff said.smallies - 9-11-2015 at 09:16 PM
Chill out Stevie. Have an O'douls.Demoknight - 10-11-2015 at 03:37 PM
Obvious troll is obvious.WELDNGOD - 10-11-2015 at 04:24 PM
Obviously a JACKASS fan.... Darwinism at it's finest.:D Feyd - 10-11-2015 at 05:15 PM
This is entertaining as all get out. :DB-Roc - 10-11-2015 at 05:44 PM
@ smallies, Let me know when you are headed out for the jump. I will meet you for coffee at the Hot Chocolate Sparrow and then buy you a beer at the
Yardarm if you survive the landing.Devoted - 11-11-2015 at 05:18 PM
You may be shocked at how far down wind objects like trees will mess up the wind. 7 - 10 times the distance down wind as the object is high is the
rule of thumb. Trying to jump anywhere near trees etc. in gusty wind is a recipe for disaster! You want steady clean winds for that game.
A few trees ruin many good spots around here!
Notice how the general advice has been to get a good 3m kite to feel out new locations and generally resetting your memory reflexes. Introduce friends
to the sport etc.. If winds are as strong as you describe, just handling the power in a 3m will more than the thrill pill you are after. Once you come
to terms with it AND your wind, you will be in a much better place to decide what kind of kite will jump well in your location.
These days if there aren't fellow kite pilots in your area there is probably a reason?
We all understand your desire for air time. It is what attracted many of us. We all found out that jumping is something you work up to. Skipping the
time it takes to be fully in control of the kite without looking usually ends in disaster. The time at a location required to understand it's wind
patterns to. The person who doesn't spend the time often ends up injured and loses interest. All that is left is the video and the black mark on our
reputation.
We all want you to reach your goal. We just want you to go about it safely. Don't be Kiter Kevin! :duh:
This.smallies - 11-11-2015 at 11:38 PM
Sweet, thanks dude! Totally need you to film. I have no kite yet, did not pull trigger on Prism tensor 4.2 and it's a lot of money for me. This will
be so easy that you will be wondering why you didn't do it too.abkayak - 12-11-2015 at 06:30 AM
yea...lets keep this thread around...i see Red Bull sponsorship Windstruck - 12-11-2015 at 06:46 AM
Sweet, thanks dude! Totally need you to film. I have no kite yet, did not pull trigger on Prism tensor 4.2 and it's a lot of money for me. This will
be so easy that you will be wondering why you didn't do it too.
If the tensor is too expensive you should check out Ebay. Every now and then there are great deals to be had on Chinese knockoffs of kites like that.
You can get them for literally a fraction of the price and they'll be perfect for what you want to accomplish. Also there is Pansh. They
make some lifty kites that you can get complete for short change. Since you've got the confidence, this will be wicked easy. Don't let money stand
in your way. YOLO.Demoknight - 12-11-2015 at 07:45 AM
Can a mod just close and lock this thread already? This guy is trolling so hard and you all are just feeding him.hiaguy - 12-11-2015 at 08:04 AM
Really Demo'?
When I need a break from the tedium of my job, checking in on this thread provides just the humour I need. Cochise Kiter - 12-11-2015 at 08:13 AM
This is very reminiscent of Blood Ninja.soliver - 12-11-2015 at 08:35 AM
Ok... New subject...
Hotdog: is it a sandwich or no?... GO!Demoknight - 12-11-2015 at 09:59 AM
Hot dog is dog @$$holes and old phonebooks, in a bun.
I am of the opinion that since a bun is a single piece of bread, it isn't a sandwich. At best, you could possibly call it an open-faced sandwich.hiaguy - 12-11-2015 at 10:53 AM
I am of the opinion that since a bun is a single piece of bread, it isn't a sandwich. At best, you could possibly call it an open-faced sandwich.
What if you don't have a bun and you wrap the mystery-meat in a slice of bread? :o
Can you pretend it's a small kite and still jump with it?Demoknight - 12-11-2015 at 07:58 PM
It would do you just as much good as a 4 meter kite...Windstruck - 12-11-2015 at 09:40 PM
I call hot dogs "tube steaks". My daughter likes them and I usually order them for her calling them tube steaks. It's sort of age test of sorts; a
teenager or 20-something will just stare at me not knowing what the heck I'm talking about, but somebody older won't miss a beat!
OK, so sometimes it just has to be enough to crack yourself up... :Psmallies - 13-11-2015 at 12:44 AM
Can you be more specific B-roc with kites? Seems I should spend at least $500 but I don't want the trees to eat it. Also open to waiting for very
windy day with 4m and just hanging on for dear life.B-Roc - 13-11-2015 at 06:42 AM
Hard to be specific without knowing your weight. If you are worried about the trees why not target the dunes along the National Sea Shore? Limited
ranger presence this time of year, you could launch from the parking lot, walk to the bluff and not worry about the trees. abkayak - 13-11-2015 at 06:46 AM
awesome stuff
wonder what happened to OP?
Steve im sure doesnt drink Odoules
we all blow up 500$ in kites minimum...so you gotta pay to play
i guess tube steak insinuates different things around the country soliver - 13-11-2015 at 07:35 AM
awesome stuff
wonder what happened to OP?
Steve im sure doesnt drink Odoules
we all blow up 500$ in kites minimum...so you gotta pay to play
i guess tube steak insinuates different things around the country
Yeah, I let that Odoules comment slide. "Living well is the best revenge" comes to mind.....
I suppose "tube steak" could mean different things to different people... That's funny! No, my 17 year old daughter doesn't like tube steaks. And to
cut this off right now before it heads down the wrong hole (sorry) my daughter has Special Needs which is why I order for her. This is a family show!
abkayak - 13-11-2015 at 12:43 PM
my respect for anyones daughter will always curb me to keeping it a family show....for the record.
pnut butter rules...for the record
Odoules is the saddest invention of mankind...also for the record Windstruck - 13-11-2015 at 03:20 PM
my respect for anyones daughter will always curb me to keeping it a family show....for the record.
pnut butter rules...for the record
Odoules is the saddest invention of mankind...also for the record
No worries, friend. I was laughing as I was writing about my daughter.
O'douls is the worst invention of all time, sort of like the boob blanket. smallies - 14-11-2015 at 01:16 AM
Good idea on the dunes in the fall. I'm 180#. I will commence waiting for a used kite.smallies - 14-11-2015 at 02:16 AM
Should I consider that Lynn 12m over in for sale?smallies - 13-10-2019 at 08:21 PM
Nope way too big and valuable.smallies - 16-10-2019 at 09:03 PM
And he's back! Missed ya small wood (soft wood?). The Access is distinctly not the kite you want. It is a wonderful kite for NOT flying. It is
actually purpose-built to not lift you, making it a good choice for people wanting kite power WITHOUT lift.
Found a nice place with no trees. Bought 10 mountaintop acres near Elko NV. Pretty sweet February sunshine, sure beats the northeast. Supposed to hit
60 this week.
