Who has a big Pansh Adam?

I see Pansh has come out with the Adam in 8 and 10.5 sizes.

One of the best " day saver " kites I have ever flown is the Quadrafoil Kitesurfer XXXL . It is also closed cell but only 9.? meters and has a bulky bridle. I always thought there was room for improvement on that design.

It seems that a large Adam just might be a real good almost no wind kite ? 10.5 should be a monster of a trainer. I have a feeling the 8m will fly real early and turn much faster with a more usable range? A much better trainer. Is it big enough?

Has anybody tried either of these kites yet?

Quote: Originally posted by Kiteflyer933

I don't have the big Adam only 5.5m...yet I don't think they can be a low wind kites like HQ's (Hydra or Montanas).....but for sure they are very stable and pulls like a truck in 15kph and above wind for 5.5 size.....I guess the 8 and 10.5 will pull like a train but it needs at least 15kph wind....because the 5.5 takes time to inflate and needs at least around 12kph wind to pull my body weight....yet once it is inflated, it keeps the internal pressure for so long like a balloon with almost no air loss lying in the ground.

I am confused?

The Hydra is a 3 line trainer limited in size and Montana open cell depower? Not sure how they all fit in the same category?

How is it possible that the Montana can have a lower wind range than a 10.5 closed cell FB? I don't understand that? Open cell depower require a bit of wind, as a rule? I was packing up my 10.8m Reactor at 15kph winds. Why would you say the 10.5 Adam will NEED 15kph wind to pull you?

It is the fact that the Adam is a 4 line closed cell FB like the XXXL that makes me think it should stand out as a low wind kite? It takes a LOT to get the XXL filled but once it is filled the fact it holds it's shape makes all the difference!

The XXXL seems right in the middle of the 2 sizes 8 - 10.5. It also pulls like a truck and has limited range. This is why I suspect the 8m will be a sweet size?

The XXXL is an old school material. Chikra ?? or something and it has a bulky bridle. STILL it is one of the best " day savers " I have flown. The Adam may not have a super light material but if it is that slick stuff Pansh recently came out with it shouldn't be bad. Even Pansh's new bridle is better than the old Quadrafoil stuff.

As mentioned I always thought there was room to improve on the Kitesurfer XXL's already great low end. The Adam seems like it should possibly have done so?

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Bladerunner said Yup, the XXL is a real PITA to get to fill. ( and deflate ) Real poor inlets. Lots of tugging and running. A fan would certainly help?

Yes, a fan does help inflate the XXL if the wind is less than 5kph. I get many summer days when the wind is 3kph gusting to 15 or 20kph and my XXL often saves the day.

Here is the data sheet for the KiteSurfer lineup. I cannot find anything similar for the Adam lineup.

oops, that was your first question.....

I got it up in fairly light wind (7-8 mph, according to my cheap anemometer) in a mowed field. If the wind is as light as that, keep it away from the apex, mine wanted to get unstable. At the lake it was a steady 15-20mph, gusting higher, it was crazy on handles, but seemed ok on the bar, but I wouldn't want more wind than that (but I also don't have a ton of experience).

I actually thought it flew better on a bar (homebrew version of a turbo) than on handles when I was at the lake, but that might have been because I felt like my arms were going to fall off when I had it on handles.

The only other kites I can compare it to are a 5m and 7m flux. More pull than either of those, but slower handling, and less stable at the edges.

In any case, I hope this helps (fwiw), but you ought to get the opinion of someone with more experience than I, you might get more substantive (or different) feedback.

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I flew Tridude's big red XXXL. It was the most powerful kite I had ever flown. So much kite and so flat to the wind. It all made power. He was always in teaching mode and loved to make kiters mouths drop open by surprising them and getting them to try something beyond their familiarity.