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PANSH Kites Question? SFKITER ( Im a Noob Full of Questions abouts Kites, I caught the Kite Bug....)

SFKITER - 21-1-2013 at 10:23 PM

Hi guys im still pretty new to power kites and the industry but I think its quite fascinating. Ive been flying for about 3 months now but in those 3 months ive probably only had a chance to go out maybe 6 times. So still zilch. In those handful of times though ive basically gotten to fly in all the standard wind conditions. I was doing some reading on here and see a lot of you guys have kites made by a company called PANSH. I just took a quick peek at their website and see they are rather affordable prices? Why is this why is a kite from this company from what ive seen of other companies more economical. How do you even prounce the word PANSH. What does it mean? How do they rate when it comes to other companies like HQ, Prism, and Peter Lynn?

Snake - 21-1-2013 at 10:31 PM

http://www.powerkiteforum.com/viewthread.php?tid=24519

All you need to know on PANSH.

BeamerBob - 22-1-2013 at 07:39 AM

Do a search here on PKF next time you have a few days free time and dive in. In a nutshell, they are bargain kites and there is some variability between kites. Lines and handles aren't on the same level as other mfrs. Some buy them because of price and enjoy flying them. Most move on to other brands.

bigkid - 22-1-2013 at 08:37 AM

In another nut shell, Pansh is the son, Pan, who's father owns the largest kite manufacturer in the world. They make all of about 90% of everything called a kite. Over the last few years, a couple of Kite Companies have begun manufacturing their own kites in their own factories, (PKD, Ozone, to name 2) with a few others that are having those make theirs. So with the removal of the big name brands from China, the Chinese company and the son, Pansh, are stepping up their selling by advertizing to some of us here in the States by direct email and with the public by such ways as 2 for 2 deals. These Chinese company's have had to step up the R and D of the kites they have made, make and will make in the near future, in order to compete with the big boys.
The biggest advantage of the Chinese company's is the cost of labor. Slave labor and child labor laws here in the US is not allowed but still practiced in other countries.

Is Pansh a good deal? Yes it is. But the question is at what cost. R and D costs money, so does advertizing, and dont forget the people who are paid by the big boy companies to promote that company. I know for a fact that you at the end of the kite chain pay for alot of extras that more than double the cost of the product, even before the dealers cost to get the kite for you.

Ask the right question to the right person and Low and behold, you would be so much more inclined to buy a kite for more reason than the color, skill level, cost and kite prestige with others and so on. You may even buy because it is the right thing to do, support a company with human rights and moral ethics along your beliefs.
Or Not.
Just my Honest Opinion.

For a bit of extra credit, why have some companies disappeared lately, such as JoJo to name one?

MDK - 22-1-2013 at 11:27 AM

PKD completely pulling out from China goes a long way for me :thumbup::thumbup: I am willing to eat less pizza and pay for proper labor. :)

SFKITER - 22-1-2013 at 12:39 PM

Thanks for the info guys


MDK do you like your Buster Soul Fly I just took a look at their website and see the smallest one 1.5M listed at $141

MDK - 22-1-2013 at 01:19 PM

Yes I do. I really like my Century's too but because I only have 8 months in a buggy the Buster treated me well in high winds until I build confidence. I will always have some Buster's as long as Jeff @ Big Kid Kites will allow me ;) here is a video of me with the 3.3 Buster at Alvord http://youtu.be/W-EAShq20zo

SFKITER - 22-1-2013 at 02:57 PM

holy crap thats a 3.3m pulling you on a buggy sick. What were those winds like though?

WELDNGOD - 22-1-2013 at 03:10 PM

Here is a 2.2 buster and a 1.5 buster at Va Beach https://vimeo.com/53914152

SFKITER - 22-1-2013 at 03:17 PM

holy crap thats a 1.5M pulling your brother behind you and your on a 2.2M. Gosh im so new to this sport lmao. The fact that a 1.5M is pulling a dude on buggy is sick! Do you think a 1.5M could pull a 135lb guy in 15MPH winds? Im a solid built 135lb. Since you were flying in 20mph winds perhaps maybe even 12mph winds????? Im having to much fun with this kite thing ha

SFKITER - 22-1-2013 at 03:18 PM

Its such a small kite but it can pull is that because of the way the kite was designed that you can get so much torque out of it? Like if you were to compare a model branded car to the Buster Soul Fly what would it be?

WELDNGOD - 22-1-2013 at 03:28 PM

It has ALOT to do with how they were being flown. Looping in the powerzone over and over or figure8s in the "zone". Hmmm.... I'd say the Busters are a Camaro... And the Centurys are a Corvette.... Then that would make the Combat a Lambroghini Diablo ...:bigok: Oh yeah ,I weigh 175 and my Bro weighs 185. I was in a buggy that weighs 135 and the one he was piloting weighs 87.

SFKITER - 22-1-2013 at 03:34 PM

Thanks for the info man! I mean if your buggy weighs the same as me and the buggy your brother was on weighs less than me! I could get some goot speed going

cheezycheese - 22-1-2013 at 03:36 PM

You sure have amassed quite a bit of kit in just a "few" months.... Reminds me of someone... :saint:

MDK - 22-1-2013 at 03:52 PM

until one has experience to be overpowered, 3.3m is ideal for buggying in 15mph wind. the winds in that video were around 15mph + and I was doing speeds of 35-40 mph. when the wind drops a little then you have to work the kite like WELDNGOD mentioned. working the kite increases the speed the kite is moving through the air increasing apparent wind thus giving you more power.

SFKITER - 22-1-2013 at 03:53 PM

lol I feel like a complete noob but thats because I am a noob. I wanna hold onto all the kites I get though im really going full force at this trying to get all my friends and family into it. I think its so much fun.

SFKITER - 22-1-2013 at 03:56 PM

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Originally posted by MDK
until one has experience to be overpowered, 3.3m is ideal for buggying in 15mph wind. the winds in that video were around 15mph + and I was doing speeds of 35-40 mph. when the wind drops a little then you have to work the kite like WELDNGOD mentioned. working the kite increases the speed the kite is moving through the air increasing apparent wind thus giving you more power.


teach me more wise ones! :roll:

MDK - 22-1-2013 at 03:56 PM

Yeah I was just looking at your sig. you have the engines! get a bug and go :)

MDK - 22-1-2013 at 03:58 PM

best if you can find someone in your area that has experience to learn from :) you located?

SFKITER - 22-1-2013 at 04:01 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by MDK
best if you can find someone in your area that has experience to learn from :) you located?


Im in San Francisco

MDK - 22-1-2013 at 04:02 PM

Cheez, kit? are from across the pond? or do you just talk to them a lot like me and picking up on there lango :) I am typing with an English accent as we speak..:)

SFKITER - 22-1-2013 at 04:02 PM

any advice on finding a solid buggy for someone new to the sport and some price ranges and aspects I should be looking for on a buggy would be helpful also.

MDK - 22-1-2013 at 04:04 PM

SFKITER, know anyone that bugs over there?

Bladerunner - 22-1-2013 at 04:04 PM

+1 for the 3.3m. You will find it's a keeper and nice size for introducing friends to the sport. !

It is a good size. Not too big but big enough to act like it's bigger brothers. It will power you well at 15mph.
I find smaller kites are like bumble bees on a line zipping all over with just little spurts of power.

A used buggy can go as cheap as $200. I think about $495 new for a Peter Lynn. And up from there. Shipping can be an issue.

Dakitze, A Wind of Change and BigKidKites are the dealers closest to you . The may have something ? Also try Van VTT buggies from Texas.

WELDNGOD - 22-1-2013 at 04:07 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Bladerunner

I find smaller kites are like bumble bees on a line zipping all over with just little spurts of power.
You gotta work it Bro!

MDK - 22-1-2013 at 04:10 PM

well I got my bug from www.popeyethewelder.com over in England but an eiser rout may be to give Jeff a call at Big Kid Kites and see what he has. there are different types of bugs, depends on what type of buggying you want to do

SFKITER - 22-1-2013 at 04:49 PM

sweet so much information to learn about all these kites

WELDNGOD - 22-1-2013 at 04:52 PM

You got buggy engines Bro.Those Beamers are plenty good for buggying. Oh yeah,welcome to the addiction!:cool:

Proletariat - 22-1-2013 at 06:31 PM

Yeah, welcome to the newly arrived monkey on your back :). Try this with your smaller kites: When flying static, try to loop or figure-8 in such a way that the tension on the lines is always about the same. It takes a lot of attention when the kite is really fast, but it's great practice for consistent traction power later.

SFKITER - 22-1-2013 at 06:44 PM

hmmmm what exactly is static flying? And are the beamers pretty quality kites for being pulled on the buggy? What about the HQ Toxic Kite? I should change the title of this thread ha. So much to learn!!!

SFKITER - 22-1-2013 at 06:45 PM

The Beamer is called a Beamer but is it really a Beamer?

WELDNGOD - 22-1-2013 at 06:56 PM

I think the name Beamer, has to do with the sailing term "beam reach"
beam reach - Sailing on a point of sail such that the apparent wind is coming from the beam side - of the boat at about a 90° angle. A beam reach is usually the fastest point of sail.

MDK - 22-1-2013 at 07:32 PM

static is flying kite only, scudding is skiing with no skis under the power of the kite.

MDK - 22-1-2013 at 07:33 PM

static http://youtu.be/D84WAN3GGcY

MDK - 22-1-2013 at 07:45 PM

flying static practice figure 8's with downturns that will treat you best once you hop in the bug.

Figure 8_1.jpg - 38kB

Proletariat - 22-1-2013 at 09:25 PM

Hey MDK, isn't that diagram assuming the power zone is just to the right of the figure 8 (so downturn = kite going down near power, upturn = kite going up near power?)

MDK - 22-1-2013 at 09:59 PM

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Originally posted by Proletariat
Hey MDK, isn't that diagram assuming the power zone is just to the right of the figure 8 (so downturn = kite going down near power, upturn = kite going up near power?)


Not sure I understand your question but here is how I define up-turn and down-turn

Figure 8_1_1_1.jpg - 51kB

SFKITER - 22-1-2013 at 10:55 PM

Thanks for the info MDK. So me just flying the Kite by itself is known as Static flying. Interesting

SFKITER - 23-1-2013 at 12:02 AM

Has anyone flown the HQ Symphony TR 1.3 or TR 1.7 models? Im interested in taking a look at them.

SFKITER - 23-1-2013 at 12:13 AM

The CrazyFly Rookie 2.0 kite looks pretty swell also!

MDK - 23-1-2013 at 10:50 AM

The Symphony wont get you far in a bug, not enough power, plus aren't those two line? I would stick with four line, then you don't need a helper to launch and land. I am not familiar with the CrazyFly. if you want quality stick with PKD, Peter Lynn, HQ and Ozone. some others on here may be able to add a couple more quality brands.

MDK - 23-1-2013 at 10:57 AM

I looked....pass on the crazyfly...I saw the trailing edge on that thing and that's all it took for me to say PASS! plus it appears to be a two line as well. do you have your Beamers yet? those are great kites. save for a bug and protective gear :)

abkayak - 23-1-2013 at 11:02 AM

you buy a kite every 7.5days on average...i wish you lived near me.....i'd let you use my bug and you could let me try a kite or 6

SFKITER - 23-1-2013 at 02:08 PM

I dont mind if they are 2 lines Kites I still think they are fun either way!

SFKITER - 23-1-2013 at 02:09 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by MDK
I looked....pass on the crazyfly...I saw the trailing edge on that thing and that's all it took for me to say PASS! plus it appears to be a two line as well. do you have your Beamers yet? those are great kites. save for a bug and protective gear :)


dang really it was voted Kite of the year by the world kite surf magainze!

BeamerBob - 23-1-2013 at 03:57 PM

The HQ Symphony is an awesome kite that packs small and will have you smiling wide open. Perfect for the quick static fly. Not really intended for traction use.

MDK - 23-1-2013 at 03:59 PM

that is just my opinion, I never had a desire for a trainer kite so my quiver will more than likely look a little different than yours and that is okay :) have a good time building your collection!

SFKITER - 23-1-2013 at 04:59 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by BeamerBob
The HQ Symphony is an awesome kite that packs small and will have you smiling wide open. Perfect for the quick static fly. Not really intended for traction use.



I prefer the Snapshots by Prism over the Symphonys :singing:

SFKITER - 23-1-2013 at 04:59 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by MDK
that is just my opinion, I never had a desire for a trainer kite so my quiver will more than likely look a little different than yours and that is okay :) have a good time building your collection!



Man I get upset when there isnt any wind now. I just wanna fly every day now :wee::wee::wee:

SFKITER - 23-1-2013 at 05:10 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by WELDNGOD
I think the name Beamer, has to do with the sailing term "beam reach"
beam reach - Sailing on a point of sail such that the apparent wind is coming from the beam side - of the boat at about a 90° angle. A beam reach is usually the fastest point of sail.



hmmm is there a way you can break this down more for me sir. If you could just provide me a link that would be good enough. Or if you could break it down into a simpler term even though it seems to be pretty simple already. Obviously every kite is named its name for a reason and since I have the Beamers It would be good to know the actual reason they are called the BEAMER

KCKITEFLYER - 23-1-2013 at 05:59 PM

I have a great buggy thay would fit you nicely. I have a good rep on here as well.

WELDNGOD - 23-1-2013 at 07:49 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by SFKITER
Quote:
Originally posted by WELDNGOD
I think the name Beamer, has to do with the sailing term "beam reach"
beam reach - Sailing on a point of sail such that the apparent wind is coming from the beam side - of the boat at about a 90° angle. A beam reach is usually the fastest point of sail.



hmmm is there a way you can break this down more for me sir. If you could just provide me a link that would be good enough. Or if you could break it down into a simpler term even though it seems to be pretty simple already. Obviously every kite is named its name for a reason and since I have the Beamers It would be good to know the actual reason they are called the BEAMER



Trust me ,we use the same nautical sailing terminology. Broad reach,Beam reach,tack,upwind ,downwind ,etc... They are called beamers for the Nautical term.Other kites names might not have jack to do with anything.

WELDNGOD - 23-1-2013 at 07:51 PM

Check this out http://www.coastalwindsports.com/BetterBuggyBasics.html

BeamerBob - 23-1-2013 at 08:03 PM

Charger has to be in there somewhere............. And Phantom, Blade? Rage? I'm striking out all over the place here.

SFKITER - 23-1-2013 at 09:50 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by WELDNGOD
Check this out http://www.coastalwindsports.com/BetterBuggyBasics.html


:thumbup:

SFKITER - 28-1-2013 at 01:39 PM

Flew my Beamer 2.0 M at school today for an hour in 9mph-15mph winds it was pretty fking fantastic!

SFKITER - 30-1-2013 at 01:21 PM

Flew Beamer in 3-4MPH winds with 5-6MPH gusts a bit trouble some but still very capable of flying in the lighter winds, took me 40 minutes to realize my break line was caught so every time I tried launching it the kite would just flip over, finally readjusted the line after I realized that and it went up extremely smoothly

MDK - 30-1-2013 at 01:50 PM

figure 8's with downturns like I showed in a previous post and/or just downturns will keep you going in lower wind.

SFKITER - 31-1-2013 at 10:43 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by MDK
figure 8's with downturns like I showed in a previous post and/or just downturns will keep you going in lower wind.


ya man absolutely right! I cant wait for this Tuesday im amping up to go fly that day, supposed to have some quality 9-12mph winds