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SecondWind
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Quadrifoil history
Hi guys,
I got in two NOS Quadrifoil KiteSurfers today. The XXXL (9.66m) & XL (4.92m) have the Icarex Polyester Sailcloth and they are built really nice!
What's the scoop on Quadrifoil? When did they go out of business and where were these kites made?
I'll get some pics when I get to fly them. The XXXL is a funky orange 
Joe
Foil Kites: Flysurfer 12m Sonic 4, 10m Soul V2, Peak 5s and 5.5m Hybrid
LEIs: 9m Naish Pivot, 12m Naish Phoenix
Land: 16" Dirtsurfer GP
H20: 134 Shinn Monk Chromatic, Slingshot 103cm Hope Craft w/ Axis Spitfire 840
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speleopower
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I've got first dibs on the XL!!! I'm not a big fan of the Kitesurfer version but.....I should not have sold my Kitesurfer XL way back when.
I've never gotten a straight answer on Quadrifoil history.
I've been told they are still being made in the Netherlands. I even got some possible contact information from over on racekites.com But I've not
tried to contact anyone yet.
Scott
Quadrifoil Competition XXXL x2
Quadrifoil Competition XXL
Quadrifoil Competition XM
Quadrifoil Q2000 5 meter
Quadrifoil Q2000 4 meter
Quadrifoil Qebra 3 meter
Flexifoil Blade IV 4.9 meter
Flexifoil Blade 3 10.5 meter
Flexifoil Kava
7\'3\" Hana Crew custom
6\'6\" Hana Crew custom-on Saipan
F-One 7\'3\"
Cabrina 5\'6\"-for sale
2x homebrew plywood wake/kite boards
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SecondWind
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No problem Scott - I just want to see how they fly first 
I also got some old data sheets on Q-KiteBoards and Q-Powerline, some Quadrifoil stickers and a Technical Flight Manual for the KiteSurfer - good
stuff.
Foil Kites: Flysurfer 12m Sonic 4, 10m Soul V2, Peak 5s and 5.5m Hybrid
LEIs: 9m Naish Pivot, 12m Naish Phoenix
Land: 16" Dirtsurfer GP
H20: 134 Shinn Monk Chromatic, Slingshot 103cm Hope Craft w/ Axis Spitfire 840
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kitemaker4
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The funky orange is mango.
Susan
PKD Brooza\'s 2, 3, 4 and 5.5 meter
Libre Bora\'s 6 and 7 meter
Libre stainless full race with standard and big foot light wheels
Nasa wings: npw5 0.4, 0.8, 1.2, 1.7, 2.4, 3.1, 3.9, 4.8, 5.8, 6.9 meters
npw9 3.4, 5.3, 6.0, 8.0, 9.0, 10.0, 11.0, 15.0 meters
Quadrifoil xm for sale
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SecondWind
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Thanks Susan - I really like the color. Any scoop on what happened to Quadrifoil?
Foil Kites: Flysurfer 12m Sonic 4, 10m Soul V2, Peak 5s and 5.5m Hybrid
LEIs: 9m Naish Pivot, 12m Naish Phoenix
Land: 16" Dirtsurfer GP
H20: 134 Shinn Monk Chromatic, Slingshot 103cm Hope Craft w/ Axis Spitfire 840
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khooke
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Here's some info that I pulled together from various places, including Ted Dougherty's KiteInnovations site. Hope someone else can fill in the blanks,
or maybe even Ted since he posts on the forum from time to time re his ProFoil kites:
- 1986 Ted manufactures the Sparless Stunter
- original Quadrifoil 4 line kite made from 2 Sparless stunters sewn together (not sure where I heard that from)
- Quadrifoil Classic - sold in sizes 1 though 5 (in sq m). Available up until mid to late 90s? I don't think they were called the 'Classic' until
sometime later, I think after the C series was available. Interesting trivia - the Quadrifoil 4m was used in an expedition to ski across Greenland,
and the Q series were used in a similar trip to the South Pole
- at some point here Ted is no longer involved in the Quadrifoil Company or the design of the kites. The company and or the brand name is sold to
Active People?
- (around 1996) Quadrfoil Competition, available as C1 2.5m, C2 4m & C3 5.5m. Very sweet race kites - well worth getting hold of if you can find
one.
- Quadrifoil Competition X, available as XS 2.28m, XM 3.48m, XL 4.92m, XXL 7.09m & XXL 9.66m
XXL and XXXL were Icarex, the rest were Chikara Nylon
- designed by Alain Hoffer of Active People in France
- Quadfoil Q2000 series, based on X series (?) but lower aspect ratio, intermediate traction kites. Q2002 'Qusic' 1.5m, Q2003 'Qebra' 3m, Q2004
'Qrazy' 4m, Q2005 'Qing' 5.84m, Q2007 'Qing' 7m. The 'Q' names referred to the colorful designs on the foil.
- Quadrifoil X Surfer. Water relaunchable foil kites for kite surfing.
PRO (31gr Ripstop Polyester):
XM-Surfer 3.18m
XL-Surfer 4.34m
XXL-Surfer 6.23m
XXXL-Surfer 8.52m
NYLON (42gr Ripstop Nylon):
XS-Surfer 2.08m
XM-Surfer 3.18m
XL-Surfer 4.34m
XXL-Surfer 6.23m
Quadrifoil Q2002 1.5m
PKD Century 2.5m
Flexifoil Skytiger 40 3.7m & Hi60 5.6m
PKD Century 4.5m
Pansh Blaze I 12.5m
1997 Flexifoil original buggy - a few weld repairs but still going strong :-)
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B-Roc
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I skiied with a guy once this past winter who was using Quadrifoil competition X series kites. I always thought those were good looking foils and
they certainly held their own in the snow.
Depower Quiver: 14m Gin Eskimo, 10m Gin Eskimo III, 6m Gin Yeti, 4.5m Gin Yeti (custom bridle and mixer)
Fixed Bridle Quiver: MAC Bego 400, JOJO ET Instinct 2.5 & 5.5, Lil Devil 1.5, Sting 1.2
Rides: Ground Industries
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SecondWind
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I scanned some old Quadrifoil literature today – I posted the pictures here:
http://secondwindkites.com/Technical_Data.php
Foil Kites: Flysurfer 12m Sonic 4, 10m Soul V2, Peak 5s and 5.5m Hybrid
LEIs: 9m Naish Pivot, 12m Naish Phoenix
Land: 16" Dirtsurfer GP
H20: 134 Shinn Monk Chromatic, Slingshot 103cm Hope Craft w/ Axis Spitfire 840
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speleopower
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I've got some of those brochures and some stickers. Cool stuff.
Scott
Quadrifoil Competition XXXL x2
Quadrifoil Competition XXL
Quadrifoil Competition XM
Quadrifoil Q2000 5 meter
Quadrifoil Q2000 4 meter
Quadrifoil Qebra 3 meter
Flexifoil Blade IV 4.9 meter
Flexifoil Blade 3 10.5 meter
Flexifoil Kava
7\'3\" Hana Crew custom
6\'6\" Hana Crew custom-on Saipan
F-One 7\'3\"
Cabrina 5\'6\"-for sale
2x homebrew plywood wake/kite boards
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SecondWind
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Do you use Power Rings on your XXXL Speleo?
Foil Kites: Flysurfer 12m Sonic 4, 10m Soul V2, Peak 5s and 5.5m Hybrid
LEIs: 9m Naish Pivot, 12m Naish Phoenix
Land: 16" Dirtsurfer GP
H20: 134 Shinn Monk Chromatic, Slingshot 103cm Hope Craft w/ Axis Spitfire 840
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speleopower
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Yes, use the "power rings" on both the XL and the XXXL.
Scott
Quadrifoil Competition XXXL x2
Quadrifoil Competition XXL
Quadrifoil Competition XM
Quadrifoil Q2000 5 meter
Quadrifoil Q2000 4 meter
Quadrifoil Qebra 3 meter
Flexifoil Blade IV 4.9 meter
Flexifoil Blade 3 10.5 meter
Flexifoil Kava
7\'3\" Hana Crew custom
6\'6\" Hana Crew custom-on Saipan
F-One 7\'3\"
Cabrina 5\'6\"-for sale
2x homebrew plywood wake/kite boards
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speleopower
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Here's a pic of my using a XXL. You can see where I took off from.
Kinda cool picture.
Quadrifoil Competition XXXL x2
Quadrifoil Competition XXL
Quadrifoil Competition XM
Quadrifoil Q2000 5 meter
Quadrifoil Q2000 4 meter
Quadrifoil Qebra 3 meter
Flexifoil Blade IV 4.9 meter
Flexifoil Blade 3 10.5 meter
Flexifoil Kava
7\'3\" Hana Crew custom
6\'6\" Hana Crew custom-on Saipan
F-One 7\'3\"
Cabrina 5\'6\"-for sale
2x homebrew plywood wake/kite boards
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speleopower
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Here's a pic of me using a Q2004 kite. I wish I still had the Q2004 and a Q2005!
I'm looking for pictures of me surfing that also show the Quadrifoil kites in the picture.
Scott
Quadrifoil Competition XXXL x2
Quadrifoil Competition XXL
Quadrifoil Competition XM
Quadrifoil Q2000 5 meter
Quadrifoil Q2000 4 meter
Quadrifoil Qebra 3 meter
Flexifoil Blade IV 4.9 meter
Flexifoil Blade 3 10.5 meter
Flexifoil Kava
7\'3\" Hana Crew custom
6\'6\" Hana Crew custom-on Saipan
F-One 7\'3\"
Cabrina 5\'6\"-for sale
2x homebrew plywood wake/kite boards
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SecondWind
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Great pics Scott! So what size were the Q2004 & Q2005s?
Foil Kites: Flysurfer 12m Sonic 4, 10m Soul V2, Peak 5s and 5.5m Hybrid
LEIs: 9m Naish Pivot, 12m Naish Phoenix
Land: 16" Dirtsurfer GP
H20: 134 Shinn Monk Chromatic, Slingshot 103cm Hope Craft w/ Axis Spitfire 840
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SecondWind
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Never mind - I just read khooke's post again.
- Q2004 'Qrazy' 4m, Q2005 'Qing' 5.84m
Foil Kites: Flysurfer 12m Sonic 4, 10m Soul V2, Peak 5s and 5.5m Hybrid
LEIs: 9m Naish Pivot, 12m Naish Phoenix
Land: 16" Dirtsurfer GP
H20: 134 Shinn Monk Chromatic, Slingshot 103cm Hope Craft w/ Axis Spitfire 840
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doomwheels
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I still use Quadrifoil X foils. Tons of power.
But Quadrifoil (KS4U/Active People) is long gone as Active People dropped kites to focus exclusively on toys back in 2002.
For thoses who are interested, here is the archived KS4U website (contact links invalid):
http://www.madmoosestudio.com/ks4u/
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kitemaker4
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I still have the quadrifoil xm (3.5) for sale. Asking $250.00 plus shipping. The kite is in great shape with no ripes or repairs. It comes with
lines, handles and a backpack.
Susan
PKD Brooza\'s 2, 3, 4 and 5.5 meter
Libre Bora\'s 6 and 7 meter
Libre stainless full race with standard and big foot light wheels
Nasa wings: npw5 0.4, 0.8, 1.2, 1.7, 2.4, 3.1, 3.9, 4.8, 5.8, 6.9 meters
npw9 3.4, 5.3, 6.0, 8.0, 9.0, 10.0, 11.0, 15.0 meters
Quadrifoil xm for sale
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tedsfoils
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1. A little bit of history
2. My view of how the original Quadrifoil went out of business.
The first prototype Quadrifoil kite was 2 Sparless Stunters sewn together. Each of the Sparless Stunter panels was cut at an angle that produced a
sweptback shape when sewn together. Here is a video link of that kite flying in Wildwood, NJ May 1989. http://www.kiteinnovations.com/media/Wildwood89512K_Stream.w...
About 5 months after the event I moved back to Texas from N.J. Lee Sedgwick contacted me and wanted a Sparless Stunter. Lee took the two line sparless
parafoil kite and modified it to fly with four lines. Lee was so excited about the power he called me up and said he needed a larger one. I asked him
if he saw the four line foil flying in Wildwood that same year... I guess he was too busy competing. I sent him a second version in alternating yellow
and black stripes which he proudly named “the bee”. Lee started flying the kite everywhere he went and generated plenty of interest in the foils.
In a very short time we had the production version of the original Quadrifoil 25 that was literally flying out of the door.
The original design and manufacturing of the Quadrifoil was made in 3 sizes 25sq ft, 50sq ft and 75sq ft. by Kite Innovations in Spring Texas. The
Quadrifoil 25 was the only kite that had the swept back wing and tapered tips. At the time the Quadrifoil was the hottest kite on the market with
orders pouring in. We were in desperate need of a faster manufacturing source with funds. We needed an investor and eventually found one here in
Houston. Plans were to go abroad to manufacture new designs with complete RTF packages at a better price. The decision to bring in an investor would
ultimately turn out to be the downfall of Quadrifoil. In less than four months Kite Innovations was out of business. In my opinion the new partner
never had any intention on wanting the business to succeed (more on that some other time). The new investor took over the company started selling off
the assets one of which was the Quadrifoil name. Rene Kung of Papagaios who was already manufacturing the Quadrifoil under license in Europe purchased
the name for $20,000. Rene took the name had some new kites and graphics designed “Quadrifoil C”, “Q”, “X” and the X Surfer series. I
could not tell you why Rene left or why active people left the kite market.
The Quadrifoil was my dream come true. I was sad to see it go.
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coreykite
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Hey Sailors,
I happen to still have one of Ted's original Quadrifoil 75's.
It's not really that size, however.
I think Ted liked round figures: 25, 50, 75 etc.
The bottom surface on my 75 measures 82 sq/ft
If memory serves, I pushed Ted into his first cross-vented foils.
I mean that figuratively.
It must have been in the late 80's.
Something around 60 s/f with small, round holes between the cells.
Maiden flight at Wildwood that year.
Seems Wildwood and the group of flyers surrounding that event have had an enormous impact on kiting that we are only beginning to understand.
I was just going to a kite festival - A Great, Big Kite Festival, to be sure, but still just a kite festival.
I didn't think I was participating in history.
Safen Up! Buggy On!
"Often wrong... Never in doubt"
the coreylama
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SecondWind
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Thanks for the info Ted & Corey! Just curious – which model/design is your favorite?
Foil Kites: Flysurfer 12m Sonic 4, 10m Soul V2, Peak 5s and 5.5m Hybrid
LEIs: 9m Naish Pivot, 12m Naish Phoenix
Land: 16" Dirtsurfer GP
H20: 134 Shinn Monk Chromatic, Slingshot 103cm Hope Craft w/ Axis Spitfire 840
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speleopower
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My all time favorite kites are the Competition XL and XXXL
Scott
Quadrifoil Competition XXXL x2
Quadrifoil Competition XXL
Quadrifoil Competition XM
Quadrifoil Q2000 5 meter
Quadrifoil Q2000 4 meter
Quadrifoil Qebra 3 meter
Flexifoil Blade IV 4.9 meter
Flexifoil Blade 3 10.5 meter
Flexifoil Kava
7\'3\" Hana Crew custom
6\'6\" Hana Crew custom-on Saipan
F-One 7\'3\"
Cabrina 5\'6\"-for sale
2x homebrew plywood wake/kite boards
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khooke
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Wow. Thanks for the extra info Ted and Corey. It's interesting to hear the background behind what goes on behind businesses.
Ted - it's sad to hear that your company took a downturn like that, although it's great to see you are still around. Are you planning any new kite
designs? I noticed you were selling off your ProFoil inventory... something new coming along maybe?
By the way I noticed at NABX this year at one point there was 2 people out bugging with what looked like new (or in very good condition) Quadrifoil
Classics... are they still being made under license anywhere?
Quadrifoil Q2002 1.5m
PKD Century 2.5m
Flexifoil Skytiger 40 3.7m & Hi60 5.6m
PKD Century 4.5m
Pansh Blaze I 12.5m
1997 Flexifoil original buggy - a few weld repairs but still going strong :-)
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tedsfoils
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| Quote: | Originally posted by khooke
Wow. Thanks for the extra info Ted and Corey. It's interesting to hear the background behind what goes on behind businesses.
Ted - it's sad to hear that your company took a downturn like that, although it's great to see you are still around. Are you planning any new kite
designs? I noticed you were selling off your ProFoil inventory... something new coming along maybe?
By the way I noticed at NABX this year at one point there was 2 people out bugging with what looked like new (or in very good condition) Quadrifoil
Classics... are they still being made under license anywhere? |
Yes it is sad. They say we do learn from our mistakes and I have learned allot.
I always have new ideas in mind I just do not have the time to do it any more. I am still hoping to pass the reins to someone. I am still willing to
make someone a great deal all they need to do is show some interest.
I do not think anyone is making the Quadrifoil any longer.
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speleopower
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Ted-You should recreate a couple of the "Quadrifoil X kites" and sell them privately to willing motivated buyers like myself. I don't need logos or
anything just the kite and bridle!
In my avator I'm flying a Competition XL offshore of Saipan in the Commonwealth of the Northern Mariana Islands USA.
Scott
Quadrifoil Competition XXXL x2
Quadrifoil Competition XXL
Quadrifoil Competition XM
Quadrifoil Q2000 5 meter
Quadrifoil Q2000 4 meter
Quadrifoil Qebra 3 meter
Flexifoil Blade IV 4.9 meter
Flexifoil Blade 3 10.5 meter
Flexifoil Kava
7\'3\" Hana Crew custom
6\'6\" Hana Crew custom-on Saipan
F-One 7\'3\"
Cabrina 5\'6\"-for sale
2x homebrew plywood wake/kite boards
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SecondWind
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I got to fly the Mango XXXL today.
It took a bit to get it inflated (very small inlets), but after that it flew well.
The winds were only around 10 mph and I used it on handles while on the Dirtsurfer.
I snapped a few pictures:
Quadrifoil XXXL - Front View
Inlets
Mesh at corners to get the water out
Rear View
Side View
KS4U logo
In flight
XXXL on Left - 13m PIII on Right
Foil Kites: Flysurfer 12m Sonic 4, 10m Soul V2, Peak 5s and 5.5m Hybrid
LEIs: 9m Naish Pivot, 12m Naish Phoenix
Land: 16" Dirtsurfer GP
H20: 134 Shinn Monk Chromatic, Slingshot 103cm Hope Craft w/ Axis Spitfire 840
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SecondWind
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Here are a few pictures of the XL. Really slow to fully inflate like the XXXL.
They are not snatchy like a Blade or Bego - but smoother like a Profoil or Brooza I tested out.
These Kitesurfers needed a deflation zipper like the Flysurfers. You got to squeeze the air out in order to pack up…
Front View
Small Inlets
Rear View
Foil Kites: Flysurfer 12m Sonic 4, 10m Soul V2, Peak 5s and 5.5m Hybrid
LEIs: 9m Naish Pivot, 12m Naish Phoenix
Land: 16" Dirtsurfer GP
H20: 134 Shinn Monk Chromatic, Slingshot 103cm Hope Craft w/ Axis Spitfire 840
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speleopower
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The slow deflation helped on the water. However, it was a pain to pack them away after you land. If I remember correctly mine had a couple of velcro
air release tabs somewhere.
I found a picture of me flying a Kitesurfer XXL from 2001.
I'm still interested in them when your finished with them. Especially the XL.
Scott
Quadrifoil Competition XXXL x2
Quadrifoil Competition XXL
Quadrifoil Competition XM
Quadrifoil Q2000 5 meter
Quadrifoil Q2000 4 meter
Quadrifoil Qebra 3 meter
Flexifoil Blade IV 4.9 meter
Flexifoil Blade 3 10.5 meter
Flexifoil Kava
7\'3\" Hana Crew custom
6\'6\" Hana Crew custom-on Saipan
F-One 7\'3\"
Cabrina 5\'6\"-for sale
2x homebrew plywood wake/kite boards
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speleopower
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Another of the XXL
Here's a pic from 2003 of me with my XXL. The slow to deflate helped in the photo below. The wind switched directions and was then blocked by the
trees onshore.
Scott
Quadrifoil Competition XXXL x2
Quadrifoil Competition XXL
Quadrifoil Competition XM
Quadrifoil Q2000 5 meter
Quadrifoil Q2000 4 meter
Quadrifoil Qebra 3 meter
Flexifoil Blade IV 4.9 meter
Flexifoil Blade 3 10.5 meter
Flexifoil Kava
7\'3\" Hana Crew custom
6\'6\" Hana Crew custom-on Saipan
F-One 7\'3\"
Cabrina 5\'6\"-for sale
2x homebrew plywood wake/kite boards
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SecondWind
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Great pics Scott!
Foil Kites: Flysurfer 12m Sonic 4, 10m Soul V2, Peak 5s and 5.5m Hybrid
LEIs: 9m Naish Pivot, 12m Naish Phoenix
Land: 16" Dirtsurfer GP
H20: 134 Shinn Monk Chromatic, Slingshot 103cm Hope Craft w/ Axis Spitfire 840
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speleopower
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1999
I posted this pic in another thread but it's appropriate for the Quadrifoil history thread.
It's from a 1999 newspaper blurb.
Quadrifoil Competition XXXL x2
Quadrifoil Competition XXL
Quadrifoil Competition XM
Quadrifoil Q2000 5 meter
Quadrifoil Q2000 4 meter
Quadrifoil Qebra 3 meter
Flexifoil Blade IV 4.9 meter
Flexifoil Blade 3 10.5 meter
Flexifoil Kava
7\'3\" Hana Crew custom
6\'6\" Hana Crew custom-on Saipan
F-One 7\'3\"
Cabrina 5\'6\"-for sale
2x homebrew plywood wake/kite boards
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