Now I own a set. I'd like to freshen them up a bit. New spoke nipples at the least. However, I am afraid to proceed because these things come with a
bit of mystique...? What makes them able to handle the lateral load..? Are they structurally different than a motorcycle wheel...? Different
materials? Is the way they are laced..? Straight spokes..etc...? To my uneducated eyes they dont look any different. I would hate to change something
and compromise their integrity.
Any input from the braintrust...?
US888
PL- Aero v1 11m / Phantom 6/9/12/15/18
Ozone Chrono v2 9m
Liquid Force Elite 6.5m
Flysurfer - Peak 3 4m
PKD - Century 2.5m, Soulfly 3.5m
Ted's Profoil-1m/3.5m
Custom NABX Rev
GT Rapide V/VTT-XR+ Special
Hi Cheester,
Reply to your post on the Bigfoot thread:
Even though the pit bike wheels are super strong it is advisable to have a camber on them due to the excessive side loads generated when kite
buggying.
I am not sure of the differences but I think they are just simply more robust because of the components used.
The Landseglers are made differently, more to that of Motocross sidecar wheels and this is why they do not strictly require cambered bolts.
Saying that, I do know of Landsegler wheels that have buckled during races and speed runs, but this is not a usual thing that happens.
Hope this helps
Woody
PKA# K754
XXtreme XXRacer
Set of Reactor 3s
Chrono v2 9 - 15m
I would not use them on dry grass. I've seen it happen. A strong tug from the kite will pull the bug over when stationary or at low speed resulting in
injury.
I think the no camber requirement is due to the straight lacing and spoke tension. If you took the wheels apart, it would be important to evenly get
the spokes back to the spec tension. I think the parts aren't super special, but rather they perform well due to geometry and design.
Coastal Wind Sports Team Rider Landsegler Disc wheels
PTW Hero Buggy - XXtreme ApeXX Buggy US 88 - Libre Hardcore IvanpahBuggyExpo.com Youtube link
Bob Muse
HQ Montana X 8m, Montana IX 12m, HQ Ignition LEI 5m,
PL Phantom 12m, 15m, Big Blu 24m+, Synergy 10m, Venom 10m, 13m , Phantom II 12m Vapors 3.8, 5.4, Crosskite Sonic 7m, PKD Combat 10.3m
Uturn Butane 2.5m PKD Buster 3m Genetrix Hydra 7m Ozone Yakuza GT 14m
I think the no camber requirement is due to the straight lacing and spoke tension. If you took the wheels apart, it would be important to evenly get
the spokes back to the spec tension. I think the parts aren't super special, but rather they perform well due to geometry and design.
I agree with this. Looking at them, they don't appear to be made of anything different. It's the strict specs by which they are made that gives them
their strength. With that in mind, I wouldn't even think of messing with them, however I noticed over the three wheels, several nipples are loose
enough to turn by hand. So they definitely need to be trued. That's where the idea of new nipples popped up.
US888
PL- Aero v1 11m / Phantom 6/9/12/15/18
Ozone Chrono v2 9m
Liquid Force Elite 6.5m
Flysurfer - Peak 3 4m
PKD - Century 2.5m, Soulfly 3.5m
Ted's Profoil-1m/3.5m
Custom NABX Rev
GT Rapide V/VTT-XR+ Special
I think the no camber requirement is due to the straight lacing and spoke tension. If you took the wheels apart, it would be important to evenly get
the spokes back to the spec tension. I think the parts aren't super special, but rather they perform well due to geometry and design.
I agree with this. Looking at them, they don't appear to be made of anything different. It's the strict specs by which they are made that gives them
their strength. With that in mind, I wouldn't even think of messing with them, however I noticed over the three wheels, several nipples are loose
enough to turn by hand. So they definitely need to be trued. That's where the idea of new nipples popped up.
Just wanted to tap the brainpool here first. I'm sure Sam is pecking away. I'm waiting for the data sheet to appear...
US888
PL- Aero v1 11m / Phantom 6/9/12/15/18
Ozone Chrono v2 9m
Liquid Force Elite 6.5m
Flysurfer - Peak 3 4m
PKD - Century 2.5m, Soulfly 3.5m
Ted's Profoil-1m/3.5m
Custom NABX Rev
GT Rapide V/VTT-XR+ Special
I snugged up the spoke tension on one set of mine a few years ago. I didn't have an instrument but felt confident they were all similarly tensioned.
They have been perfect since. I used a hoop shaped spoke wrench and only tightened enough to feel firm resistance on the nipples. Usually an eighth or
quarter turn did it.
Coastal Wind Sports Team Rider Landsegler Disc wheels
PTW Hero Buggy - XXtreme ApeXX Buggy US 88 - Libre Hardcore IvanpahBuggyExpo.com Youtube link
Bob Muse
HQ Montana X 8m, Montana IX 12m, HQ Ignition LEI 5m,
PL Phantom 12m, 15m, Big Blu 24m+, Synergy 10m, Venom 10m, 13m , Phantom II 12m Vapors 3.8, 5.4, Crosskite Sonic 7m, PKD Combat 10.3m
Uturn Butane 2.5m PKD Buster 3m Genetrix Hydra 7m Ozone Yakuza GT 14m
I'm going on some experience with 'truing' traditional bicycle wheels with spokes...
With a bike wheel, the wheel's rim is what you want to watch as you spin it freely.
But you need a guide to do this. Usually it is done several ways. Wheel is taken off and put in a truing stand or you can keep it on bike and use the
brake pads(old style..doesn't apply if disc brakes) or back stays of frame as a guide. You are watching two things:
1)side wobble- that the rim spins straight and also is equal distance away from truing stand bar on each side of wheel or equal distance away from
back stays of bike frame.
2) rim rise or fall- the rim radius is equal throughout spin and has no 'hop' or up or down movement.
How?
Watch videos on youtube...too long to ever explain here..
Bicycle RIMS may be MUCH much more flexible to spoke tension than yours, but..., but I think the principals are relative.
Truing wheel is a bit of an art.
In other words don't just willy-nilly tighten spokes. SPIN THE WHEEL before and after each adjustment of a spoke.
Check some you tube videos on' truing motorcycle/bike wheels' for ideas on what to do for tuning BEFORE DOING ANY SPOKE
ADJUSTMENT. Good luck!
I'm going on some experience with 'truing' traditional bicycle wheels with spokes...
With a bike wheel, the wheel's rim is what you want to watch as you spin it freely.
But you need a guide to do this. Usually it is done several ways. Wheel is taken off and put in a truing stand or you can keep it on bike and use the
brake pads(old style..doesn't apply if disc brakes) or back stays of frame as a guide. You are watching two things:
1)side wobble- that the rim spins straight and also is equal distance away from truing stand bar on each side of wheel or equal distance away from
back stays of bike frame.
2) rim rise or fall- the rim radius is equal throughout spin and has no 'hop' or up or down movement.
How?
Watch videos on youtube...too long to ever explain here..
Bicycle RIMS may be MUCH much more flexible to spoke tension than yours, but..., but I think the principals are relative.
Truing wheel is a bit of an art.
In other words don't just willy-nilly tighten spokes. SPIN THE WHEEL before and after each adjustment of a spoke.
Check some you tube videos on' truing motorcycle/bike wheels' for ideas on what to do for tuning BEFORE DOING ANY SPOKE
ADJUSTMENT. Good luck!
Thanks Brian. Actually have access to a trueing stand(and someone who knows what they are doing)
US888
PL- Aero v1 11m / Phantom 6/9/12/15/18
Ozone Chrono v2 9m
Liquid Force Elite 6.5m
Flysurfer - Peak 3 4m
PKD - Century 2.5m, Soulfly 3.5m
Ted's Profoil-1m/3.5m
Custom NABX Rev
GT Rapide V/VTT-XR+ Special
BTW Marc, Dan D. was mentioning to be careful of debris on a beach (like a stick) that can fly up into spoked wheels. How likely is it? probably not
very if beach is 'clean'. Just be aware of such kinds of debris where you ride.
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