Jason-G
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full face helmet
I currently use a bike helmet when I buggy at the beach. I am thinking of switching to a full face helmet. On ebay some nice looking ones are only
about $40 and are DOT certified. Does anyone have any advice on purchasing a full face helmet. My bike helmet has vents to let air through. Will a
full face dirt bike helmet be too hot? What are other drawbacks of using a full face helmet?
Thanks
Jason
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cheezycheese
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Seriously it's probably personal preference. At wildwood we have a good mix of simple bike helmets to full on MX style helmets from riders of all
skill levels. So you will probably get a dozen different answers.
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Glx
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Have not been doing this for long but have tried a few helmets to date, open face and full motorcycle helmet and motorcross helmet.
Bike helmet (not tried) - i would be concerned at high speed
Half (open face) motorcycle helmet - ok but way too hot.
Full motorcycle helmet - way too hot and very reduced visibility.
Motorcross (currently in use) - suprisingly very cool, very nice wide vision and in general quite comfortable.
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Glx
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Have not been doing this for long but have tried a few helmets to date, open face and full motorcycle helmet and motorcross helmet.
Bike helmet (not tried) - i would be concerned at high speed
Half (open face) motorcycle helmet - ok but way too hot.
Full motorcycle helmet - way too hot and very reduced visibility.
Motorcross (currently in use) - suprisingly very cool, very nice wide vision and in general quite comfortable.
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Kites:
Prism Snapshot 1.2 (This is what started the addiction)
Flexifoil Blurr 2.5, 3.5, 5.0
PKD Buster Soulfly 1.5, 3.3
PKD Buster Soulfly Pro 2.2, 4.4
PKD Century ii 3.5, 4.5, 6.0, 8.0, 10.0
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jeffnyc
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Bike helmets are not meant to hold up to the type of crashes we have. They act like an egg shell, absorbing the impact. They're only good for one use.
I hate to say this to cheese, but hang gliding helmets are built on the same concept (and pretty expensive, so try not to crash hard!). Having said
that, sand impacts probably aren't hurting the helmet too much, just check it for wear.
Best bets are helmets designed to withstand repeated impacts like skate, motocross kayak. Probably some I'm missing.
Bicycle helmet saved my life, so I did a bunch of research. POC helmet I have now would have saved me a blackout I think.
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I went with a downhill mountain bike helmet with MIPS. The GIRO Cypher (in my case size L in matte black) is sturdy, full faced, and well ventilated.
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00FPWGZD4/ref=twister_B00FQPZ0KY?...
The downside I have found with having a full faced helmet for buggying is seeing straight down. This is a hassle when I want to hook in and out of my
AQR in a seated position; the chin part blocks my view and I have to hook and unhook by feel. When I have gloves on this gets a little, but not a
lot, harder. Seems a very easy trade off for having my grill protected it I face plant on the playa.
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Not sure about the repeated impact use as all dot are to replace after 1 impact.
As stated above its personal preference on what type you use. I have a few helmets that I used until something happened to warrant replacement.
Full face, limits you side view and will cause a broken collarbone or broken ribs from the chin guard as it is smashed into your chest. Done that and
won't happen again.
Skate board half helmet, this is the one I wear when I participate in an event that requires one.
Blokart has a nice helmet that's designed for just the sport we enjoy.
I'm curious how many actually had a bad accident that benefited from a helmet and why.
I personally don't wear one after my accident, but if I have too it's the Blokart helmet. Has holes for cooling and is not quite a 3/4 style. It's
light and has a strap n the back for you to hold your goggles as yo ride.
Ever see a full face mc helmet that failed after a crash, not pretty. My grand son sill tells the story about dad and his wipe out.
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Flexboardz. Blokarts.
PKD Century Soulflys. NPW's. Nasa Stars.
A few other less flown oddballs,
Line sets from 10" to 328" or 2m to 100m.
worlds only AQR that works.
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abkayak
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cheese will go full face and no shoes...nutz
its the beach not black top
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cheezycheese
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I only wore the helmet to hold my camera...
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Liquid Force Elite 6.5m
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Cheddarhead
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I wear a down hill mountain bike helmet 90% of the time. Light weight, great venting and good visibility for a full face. Rest of the time it's an
open face ski helmet. I ride on ice most of the time so a helmet is mandatory in my book.
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Ed Cline
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Rawlings Batting helmet here. Vents work in a walking breeze from any direction.
So in winter a cotton cap goes underneath. It holds on where the nutshell seems unsteady.
Cool factor.?
Flying mostly single skins, with some orphans, the American flag, and a PL buggy. US01
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skimtwashington
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And why do you want a full face helmet? Do you want to know what's safest?
I don't know. Just curious your original reason for asking and posting.
I wear a ski helmet year round(sand, snow and ice).
The danger after your head is your NECK. If you snap your head(bounce off the ground), or twist it, you can do some serious injury also.
...maybe this would help with neck issue?...:
Then after the neck ...it's the rest of your spine.
I guess the first thing is to avoid crashes and OBE to begin with, huh?
Most kitesurfers don't wear helmets so being on the water must be lots safer.
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Jason-G
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I learned to buggy in a wheat field in Oklahoma. I used a bike helmet and had a few OBE situations in which I did not get hurt. The terrain was
bumpy and I was usually using a 4m kite (non depower). Now I live at the beach. Things are way different - a dog peed on my kite (no dogs or people
in wheat field). The terrain on low tide is long and mostly smooth but has some sharp shells. I can build up much more speed and I also have kites
that I was not too confident using in the wheat field due to gusty shifty winds that I am starting to use now with the buggy (slingshot ranger 9m,
sabre 2 7m, and a prototype ozone 4m dp). I like to be safe but also like to test my skills - If things get out of control or I leave the ground I
thought a full face helmet would save my face if I planted it - not sure now based on previous comments.
Jason
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TEDWESLEY
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I use a down hill mountain bike helmets as well, they are lighter than motocross and well ventilated. No helmet should be reused after
a real hit, they are all one trick ponies in a real crash. Designed to self destruct to absorb crash energy. Helmet saved my life in an accident that
sent me to intensive care for 5 days. They cut it off me . I use Bell helmet Drop models around $ 125 . The old adage
holds; if you have a $10 head buy a $10 helmet
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Ed Cline
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A lot of 3/4 helmets come with face masks or face mask with goggles.
I haven't tried one yet but it may replace a scarf in winter.
I like that it's optional to the helmet, and cheap enough to try one before I inevitably find the one I really needed.
Some of us don't have much room on our faces for any more ugly.
Or even embedded gravel. 
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Randy
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Quote: Originally posted by Ed Cline  | Rawlings Batting helmet here. Vents work in a walking breeze from any direction.
So in winter a cotton cap goes underneath. It holds on where the nutshell seems unsteady.
Cool factor.?
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Hey Ed,
Where is that spot? Near Raliegh? Might have to visit there sometime.
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shehatesmyhobbies
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MX helmet here, always cool inside, goggle fit is near perfect to protect the eyes from blowing sand. As stated, some loss of view when hooking in
either strop or chicken loop, but in my opinion, best fit, form and function with plenty of safety in case of an episode.
Have to replace mine at this moment as it took it first major hit at wildwood! Had the same helmet since 2000, and it still shines like new, well till
now.
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I do know of a few that wear an Ace helmet, like the ones used for skating or even kite surfing. Very comfy, lightweight and reliable.
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Ed Cline
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Randy, Its a park and ride near the Raleigh fairgrounds. Nice steady wind, really tough gravel though. If there's n event it's full of cars.
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I wear a snowmobile helmet with integrated face shield on the dry lakes. Feels secure and keeps my glasses dust free. This week at JIBE I wore a
normal bicycle helmet and felt secure. I just bought a bell hard shell bike /skate helmet and will use it for beach riding.
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I wear a full face downhill bike helmet.
Ventilation is awesome.
Replace after any hit.
Troll Craigslist and people often sell after zero to one ride. My first and second were brand new and $50 each. Both were $200+ helmets.
All the gear. All the time.
All it takes is once and everyone you love will talk about why didnt you wear your helmet as they feed you applesauce.
Not even close to worth it.
Don't get me started on dumb Harley guys without helmets! Oh great...there I go!
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jimbocz
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In Europe, most everyone wears a full face helmet for buggying. I think bmx type helmets are more common but it wouldn't surprise me if people
serious about going fast were using motorcycle helmets.
When I went to JIBE, I figured I would buy a helmet on Amazon and have it shipped to the states. Even though I was careful and measured everything,
that stupid helmet was waaay too small. The first day I spent hours driving around trying to find a replacement full face helmet only to find
everyone just used skate helmets or whatever.
I've had an incident when the kite got behind me and the lines forced my head to go all the way back and hot the axle very hard. If I hadn't have
been wearing a helmet I would probably not be writing this now but rather waiting for the nice lady to come feed me some applesauce.
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I have the very helmet Jimbocz brought to JIBE that didn't fit him. He offered it to my oldest daughter who wasn't interested... if a size small
helmet will fit you, you are welcome to have it if you pay for the shipping. It is a BMX style helmet similar to the one Windstruck is wearing in his
photo above and it is essentially new. I tried it on and it was too small for me too, but I do have a big head. Shoot me a U2U if you're interested.
I'm going to take a nap now
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Chook
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I use a "661" downhill bike helmet ever since I started.
Very light and has 14 mesh vents. Extremely comfortable.
Couple of high speed crashes have ripped the visor off and scuffed it up. The visor is now held in place with silicone
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Windstruck
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I find it interesting that the overwhelming response has been variations of a downhill mountain bike helmet. The responses have spanned at least three
continents and all parts of the US. I used to use a full face motorcycle helmet that I already owned when I started buggying, but in warm weather I'd
sweat in it like I was running. I switched to my winter ski helmet for a while and it took me through my freak gasoline fight accident a few summers
ago. After I put it to good use and threw it away I looked for an upgrade.
I live in the mountains in Utah and several of the ski resorts around me run some of their lifts in the summer specifically for downhill mountain
bikers. I've watched countless people bomb down single track at huge speed decked out in the sort of plastic courage I wear when I buggy. To me their
helmets seemed just right in concept. Sturdy enough to absorb one really hard hit while also being well ventilated to keep these athletes cool. Seems
others have come to the same conclusions!
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NasaStar-3 (custom 3.2m)
Flysurfer Kites:
Peak-5 (2.5m)
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Cerebite
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As a slight variation on the downhill MTB helmet there is a new bike discipline called Enduro where the athlete rides horizontal and uphill terrain in
addition to the downhill. I use an Enduro helmet as it has the ventilation of of a cross country MTB helmet [critical when one sweats like a sweaty
thing in the desert] while still having the full face/ jaw of a downhill.
I have steered clear of helmets for motorized sports as they are not ventilated for the wearer to be exercising [not saying an aggressive Motorcyclist
isnt an athlete but there is a difference compared to an endurance athlete].
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I wear a full face motocross helmet. The helmet initially increased my confidence almost to the point of complacency. I started taking risks, pushed
too hard on uneven ground, inevitably the bug flipped up and over, resulting in the rear axle whacking me on my head.
Glad to have been wearing it, but would I have risked pushing so hard if I wasn't wearing one? No way.
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Windstruck
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This is what I refer to as my "freak gasoline fight accident" to borrow a line from Zoolander:
http://www.powerkiteforum.com/viewthread.php?tid=32253
http://www.powerkiteforum.com/viewthread.php?tid=32253&p...
Jeff - you've told me your story of how you used your full face helmet to attempt to scoop out your heart and lungs and that is truly a gruesome tale.
My tale would not have been told without a helmet. I broke mine on impact on a grass field, so while I don't have memory of the impact, I have to
assume I "came in hot". One balance I opt to keep my noggin encased in a MIPS helmet both while skiing and in my buggy, and as you know, I use your
AQR to keep me in my buggy. I stopped snowkiting and using wheels of doom as I can't ensure my bride that I won't go airborne again. I use a regular
MIPS ski helmet that is not full face.
Born-Kites:
RaceStar+ (3.0m, 5.0m, 7.0m, 9.0m, 14.0m)
RaceStar (9.0m, 11.0m)
NasaStar-4 (2.5m, 4.0m, 5.5m, 7.0m)
NasaStar-3 (custom 3.2m)
Flysurfer Kites:
Peak-5 (2.5m)
Buggy:
Peter Lynn BigFoot+ nose & tail; midsection VTT rail & seat kit; home-brewed AQR
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