SSI_Stefan
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Looking for a first depower
I have flown FB constantly for 10 months now and focus on landboarding. I'm looking to invest in my first depower for a wind range of about 10 knots
to 20 knots. I want something RTF for under 300$. Is this possible? Any specific models you guys recommend?
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Blitzhound
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I've got a 16m PL Venom. But I don't have a bar or lines. $200 and it's all yours. ARC's are excellent kites. I really like the Venoms. But I have a
15m Phantom II now so my 16m Venom never gets used.
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Ozone: SubZero: 5m, 7m, 9m, 11m, 13m, Access 6m, Pure 6m, Chrono V2 7m, V4 13m, Chrono EXP 7m, 9m, R1V3 21m
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SSI_Stefan
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If I were to buy it what do you think it would be possible to find lines and and bar for under 100$?
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soliver
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Hey Stefan, you were leaving East Beach the Monday evening as I was comimg onto the beach... if you had had time to stay, I would have let you try my
Peak. I found that with the low rolling resistance on SSI and Jekyll, the 6m Peak 1 was all I needed. The older Peaks are pretty affordable if you can
find them and I'd recommend them for certain!...
I'm headed back to Marietta tomorrow otherwise I'd try to meet up with you to try it out.
I'm going to take a nap now
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SSI_Stefan
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Dang. Ya I would have stayed but I had to catch a dinner that night oh well. Next time you are down here let me know!
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IFlyKites
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A budget of $300 is very possible for a depower. Try looking into HQ apex's, Peter Lynn arcs, or Pansh kites. Though with Pansh, you'll have to play
around with a bit of tweaking.
I do have a 6m Ozone Access XT (Complete with bar & lines) if you are interested. As a first depower, it should teach you lots. I don't get your
winds so it doesn't come out of the bag much. You should be able to fly it in 10 knots +. Sweet spot for it is about 15-20 knots for starters. I am
asking $400 but will throw in free shipping. Let me know if you would be interested.
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jimbocz
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Quote: Originally posted by IFlyKites  | A budget of $300 is very possible for a depower. Try looking into HQ apex's, Peter Lynn arcs, or Pansh kites. Though with Pansh, you'll have to play
around with a bit of tweaking.
I do have a 6m Ozone Access XT (Complete with bar & lines) if you are interested. As a first depower, it should teach you lots. I don't get your
winds so it doesn't come out of the bag much. You should be able to fly it in 10 knots +. Sweet spot for it is about 15-20 knots for starters. I am
asking $400 but will throw in free shipping. Let me know if you would be interested. |
I can back up that the Ozone Access XT is a really nice kite. It's always my go to kite in high winds. It's very well behaved, handles gusts and
never tries to lift you.
If you want to be lifted, you might think about a Frenzy.
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Windstruck
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| Quote: Originally posted by jimbocz |
I can back up that the Ozone Access XT is a really nice kite and never tries to lift you.
If you want to be lifted, you might think about a Frenzy. |
I can back up that the Frenzy is lifty. 
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ikemiester
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I have a charger 15m I'm willing to part ways with along with a set of bar and lines for 300. It's probably a bit big for a first depower, and I
would only initially recommend it in the 10 - low mid teens initially when you got it, but it would grow into the wind range you're looking for
exactly. It has 2 repairs, and you might want to do the arcusers mod on it, before going crazy with it (I could give you that as well, I'm too busy
to do it currently in pilot training). May not be exactly what you're looking for, but I figured I throw it out there.
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What I Fly:
Flysurfer Speed 3 19m, Switch Legacy2 12 and 9m, Radsail Sport 5m, HQ Beamer 1.8m
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mbs core 90, Cabrinha Rival 145, Cabrinha Ace 133
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Bladerunner
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| Quote: Originally posted by ikemiester | | . It has 2 repairs, and you might want to do the arcusers mod on it, before going crazy with it (I could give you that as well, I'm too busy to do it
currently in pilot training). May not be exactly what you're looking for, but I figured I throw it out there. |
Can you tell me about this " Arcusers
Mod " Ike?
Kites: 2.5m Profoil , Quadrifoil XL kitesurfer, NPW 5 Danger.
Flexifoil: 1.7m Sting, 4.9m Blade 3, 9m Blade 2.
Flysurfer : 19m Speed 2 SA, 7m Pulse
Peter Lynn :18m Phantom, 15m Synergy, 10m Synergy, 1200 Farc, 460 Sarc, 130 Tarc, 5m Peel, 4.2m , 6.4, 8.5 C-Quads, 3.5 LS2 single skin.
Rides: Flexi / P.L. Frankin'Buggy , Shaped + straight skiis, sand skis, Coyote blades. Core 95 ATB. RKB R2 ATB .
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Bladerunner
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Here is one to consider.
http://www.powerkiteforum.com/viewthread.php?tid=33323
Kites: 2.5m Profoil , Quadrifoil XL kitesurfer, NPW 5 Danger.
Flexifoil: 1.7m Sting, 4.9m Blade 3, 9m Blade 2.
Flysurfer : 19m Speed 2 SA, 7m Pulse
Peter Lynn :18m Phantom, 15m Synergy, 10m Synergy, 1200 Farc, 460 Sarc, 130 Tarc, 5m Peel, 4.2m , 6.4, 8.5 C-Quads, 3.5 LS2 single skin.
Rides: Flexi / P.L. Frankin'Buggy , Shaped + straight skiis, sand skis, Coyote blades. Core 95 ATB. RKB R2 ATB .
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ssayre
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I agree, sounds like the wind range your after too. Great kite. I'm not familiar with that bar. Maybe blade can speak to that.
Plus every kiter should own an arc at least once.
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ikemiester
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can't speak to it myself, but it appears to have eliminated the tip clap of the charger 1. It's a rather large body of text, as the author goes into
the science of the matter. If you want, I could send it to you
Kiteboarding Team Rider
http://www.cleanlinesurf.com/
Looking For:
cheap old c kites in good shape
What I Fly:
Flysurfer Speed 3 19m, Switch Legacy2 12 and 9m, Radsail Sport 5m, HQ Beamer 1.8m
What I Ride:
mbs core 90, Cabrinha Rival 145, Cabrinha Ace 133
Go big or go home!
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abkayak
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personally think arcs are a pain in the butt and shouldn't be a 1st depower...
its a lot easier to lay out, launch, land, and pack up most other dp kites and go flying or home
yes everyone should a few...but not a first if you fly alone
imo
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Twister/ 6.6m Blade/ 7.5 Apex/ 9m Fuel/ Phantom I 9,12,15,18/ 2 Flexibugs/ PL Big Foot/ landboards
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soliver
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Peak
Done
I'm going to take a nap now
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ssayre
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| Quote: Originally posted by abkayak | personally think arcs are a pain in the butt and shouldn't be a 1st depower...
its a lot easier to lay out, launch, land, and pack up most other dp kites and go flying or home
yes everyone should a few...but not a first if you fly alone
imo |
that was my first depower and it's not hard to learn with a solid foundation of fb and youtube to learn the nuances. He has beach access so auto
zenith will come in handy. Also, if he progresses to jumping, the venom would be way better than a peak on a land board, arcs in that size range fit
the budget, no bridles to contend with. I'm not seeing a disadvantage other than being a whole lot of ripstop to carry around I would much rather
have an arc than entry level ancient foil depower that would fit his budget.
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Blitzhound
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| Quote: Originally posted by abkayak | personally think arcs are a pain in the butt and shouldn't be a 1st depower...
its a lot easier to lay out, launch, land, and pack up most other dp kites and go flying or home
yes everyone should a few...but not a first if you fly alone
imo |
This is nonsense IMO. Sorry Abkayak but I strongly disagree. ARC's were my first Depower. Still my favorite Depowers. Self launch is super easy.
Landing is even easier. No bridling to mess with. Auto zenith makes for fewer crashes. I also have several older foils. That have on more than one
occasion tried to murder me. ARC's are like big gentle giants. Sure they can still be dangerous. Any kite can be dangerous. But just like any kite be
it foil, ARC, or LEI. You have to learn that kites ins and outs. But...to that end. ARC's are in my experience very User and New User friendly. They
are very stable, Excellent gust handling, smooth power, easy setup, and best of all... Cheap! I still have my ARC's I still love my ARC's. I'm the
most comfortable under them. I'm sorry but these are all qualities I would recommend a kite have for a beginner.
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HQ: Beamer V 5.0m,
Best: Bularoo 7m, Waroo 9m, 12m
PKD: Inferno 9m, 12m, 16.5m,
Ozone: SubZero: 5m, 7m, 9m, 11m, 13m, Access 6m, Pure 6m, Chrono V2 7m, V4 13m, Chrono EXP 7m, 9m, R1V3 21m
Buggies: GT-Revolt, GT-RazR,
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ssayre
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take it easy on abkayak, he has more experience than both of us.  
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Blitzhound
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My apologies if I seem harsh. That's not my intent. I simply disagree with his statement and what's atttempting to explain my position. No disrespect
intended. I LOVE MY ARC's!
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HQ: Beamer V 5.0m,
Best: Bularoo 7m, Waroo 9m, 12m
PKD: Inferno 9m, 12m, 16.5m,
Ozone: SubZero: 5m, 7m, 9m, 11m, 13m, Access 6m, Pure 6m, Chrono V2 7m, V4 13m, Chrono EXP 7m, 9m, R1V3 21m
Buggies: GT-Revolt, GT-RazR,
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Bladerunner
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If you are selling your Peaks for $300 consider me in line!
At $300 you will get an older model foil kite. It is hard to find an intro foil that will take you to boosting jumps on an ATB in 10 - 20mph winds. (
20+ with a 13m Venom )
The Venoms ( and arcs in general ) are becoming a very good option for low cost entry. The interest in arcs is dropping but the Venom's will always be
a respected model.
Folks are correct. Arcs are not as easy to set up and land as standard open cell foils but one must accept some kind of trade offs if they are on a
budget. If you don't know any different and learn your ground handling, it isn't such a big deal. ( if there isn't enough wind to fill it easily,
there isn't enough wind to fly it.) The pay off is when you man up and launch the beast! Like others have said, I feel more comfortable under a big
arc than most older foils. I personally still like my arcs enough that I am willing to take the time on the ground for the reward in the air if time
and conditions permit.
Kites: 2.5m Profoil , Quadrifoil XL kitesurfer, NPW 5 Danger.
Flexifoil: 1.7m Sting, 4.9m Blade 3, 9m Blade 2.
Flysurfer : 19m Speed 2 SA, 7m Pulse
Peter Lynn :18m Phantom, 15m Synergy, 10m Synergy, 1200 Farc, 460 Sarc, 130 Tarc, 5m Peel, 4.2m , 6.4, 8.5 C-Quads, 3.5 LS2 single skin.
Rides: Flexi / P.L. Frankin'Buggy , Shaped + straight skiis, sand skis, Coyote blades. Core 95 ATB. RKB R2 ATB .
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soliver
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Aha... didn't realize that there was a cost criteria...
well, save a little more and then: Peak... done 
I'm going to take a nap now
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Blitzhound
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I guess ultimately this was my point. I think ARC's are still the best bang for your buck on a budget. Low cost and user friendly. Again my apologies.
I guess I'm not to user friendly. I can't speak to peaks. I have yet to fly one. Hopefully next week at SOBB.
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HQ: Beamer V 5.0m,
Best: Bularoo 7m, Waroo 9m, 12m
PKD: Inferno 9m, 12m, 16.5m,
Ozone: SubZero: 5m, 7m, 9m, 11m, 13m, Access 6m, Pure 6m, Chrono V2 7m, V4 13m, Chrono EXP 7m, 9m, R1V3 21m
Buggies: GT-Revolt, GT-RazR,
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abkayak
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Was too busy to defend myself today...but flame away i can take it
arcs are great but i tend to have short amount of time when i hit the beach so
foils work best for me...just way easier
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Twister/ 6.6m Blade/ 7.5 Apex/ 9m Fuel/ Phantom I 9,12,15,18/ 2 Flexibugs/ PL Big Foot/ landboards
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soliver
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Hey Stefan,
http://www.powerkiteforum.com/viewthread.php?tid=33470#pid31...
I'm going to take a nap now
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