Is it possible to design for strength, if the designer doesn't really understand what strength is?
8m speed wings.
Ozone Samurai 3m
Sky Country Reflex 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 10m new 6m!
Sky Country NaSCa 2 11m
Sky Country Alasca 10m - sold
Rhombus Firebee 3m (ret).
Libre Vampir Race Pro 2.6m
Jojo Rage 8m
Sad day indeed.. Scratch Richmond off my list. Hopefully the RAF Kiters will chime in on this and get the line drawn in a knowledgeable manner. The
sheer ambiguity of it will have law enforcement ticketing children with sport kites. Someone needs a reality check.
Bi laws are corporation policies...I'm glad I'm not a member of that political corporation garbage...
Besides if I were I wouldn't vote for it, nor would I convict someone of that as a crime . . . People should really study the "law". Seems everyone is
entrapped by someone elses opinion about what a 'law' is. (nullify)
Where's Richmond anyway? I am thinking a road trip is in order...If it's across the pond I can't go
Government can't take a right convert it to a privilege and require a license to punish you for using it in the form of "taxes". Taxes = "excise"
Can a state grant a license to commit an illegal act? no.
If you've received this message I am no longer a member and I will not be reading any U2U's or posts.
All sorts of idiocy perpatrated under the banner of "public safety."
RC clubs like Richmond Area Radio Control won't be impacted as much by something like this as they have their own dedicated flying field.
Parks and Rec makes accomodations for FootGolf, but fly a kite and your looking for a manger to sleep in.
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FootGolf, which combines the popular sports of soccer and golf. To play FootGolf, athletes use soccer balls on a traditional golf course with 21-inch
diameter cups. The rules largely correspond to the rules of golf. Both courses have 18 holes and are designed to be able play both traditional golf
and FootGolf simultaneously on the same course.
FootGolf uses golf’s basic model including tee boxes, greens, bunkers, hazards and 18 holes of play. Scorecards display par scores for each hole as
in regular golf. The sport is governed by the Federation for International FootGolf and has grown primarily internationally.
The sport is played in the traditional format of up to four players per group with FootGolfers either walking the course or using golf carts. Holes
are roughly half the distance of a regular golf hole. While the soccer ball doesn’t travel as far in the air as a golf ball, it will roll much
farther in the fairways.
ATB,
Sam
"I never had any friends later on like the ones I had when I was 12 - Jesus, does anyone?" - The Body by Stephen King
This policy is so SAD for Richmond, British Columbia
As stated in the title, this is a bad day for kite flyers in Richmond, B.C.
Some of the responses seem to be bemoaning a similar fate to Richmond, Virginia, USA...and I see no evidence of a current encroachment on kite flying
in that city.
Hopefully cooler heads and fair treatment of all recreational activities prevail in Richmond, B.C. In the meantime, be on guard in Richmond,
Virginia.
If I'm off base in my observations, please educate me.
Wow what a joke.. This is in Richmond, B.C. Canada? Bylaws are becoming more dumb by the minute... sigh..
Bylaws make sense if they have a purpose, in this case, they are completely unnecessary and serve no purpose. Please Richmond, for the sake of the
public, re-access the bylaw. Why does the public have to suffer, especially the people in the hobby? I truly don't understand the reason behind this
ban.
Any sport or hobby has a danger, why not ban everything then? Why are traction kites banned when any kite could technically cause “significant
pull” Where are they even getting these terms?
If anyone wants to express their frustration, here is their email: mayorandcouncillors@richmond.ca
So does that cover Garry Point too? I think that is part of Richmond (Steveston)? sad new for sure.
What happened to put power kiting on the radar - was it specifically related to Garry Point activities?
Mark Groshens NAPKA KC 13
WindSpeed kites & design - Canada
Peter Lynn Arcs: Charger2 22.5 +18 + 15 + 6.5, Charger I 6, Scorpion 16 + 10, Phantom II 12 + 9, Orig Phantom 9 + 6, Synergy 10 + 8, F 1200, S 840
Ocean Rodeo: Flite 17 + 12, Rise 13 + 10 + 7, Razor 9 + 6
Foils: PL Leopards and Lynx, Airea Raptors, some PL Reactor IIs + IIIs, Libre Spirits, Cross Kite Sonics, Ozone Flow
Peter Lynn Kite Cat for cruising the lakes
buggies: PL XR+, Cameleon Pagona, custom bigfoot, PL Bigfoot, custom ice buggy
Boards: 2 custom directionals, O.R Surf series 6-3 and 5-11, Mako Duke, Mako Skinny, Mako 140 Wide, Mako 150 Wide, Mako King, Brunotti
lots of old school skis, snowboard
As stated in the title, this is a bad day for kite flyers in Richmond, B.C.
Some of the responses seem to be bemoaning a similar fate to Richmond, Virginia, USA...and I see no evidence of a current encroachment on kite flying
in that city.
Hopefully cooler heads and fair treatment of all recreational activities prevail in Richmond, B.C. In the meantime, be on guard in Richmond,
Virginia.
If I'm off base in my observations, please educate me.
JD
I thought it was Richmond Va.. I guess it struck me that way since it's so close to home. I sent the alert out to sevral friends in that area.. I just
sent a correction as well..
This is yet another shot in the arm against power kiting. As power kiting is soon the be allowed on Washington State beaches again, another battle
seems to be looming for power kiting in general.
Sam, is that the RC field on Rt 360? The one south of Mechanicsville?
The field in the pics is about 30 miles from Mechanicsville.
It's about 30 minutes Southeast of Richmond, VA. North of the James River and adjacent to the Shirley Plantation so there is a natural buffer from
local residents.
I also thought the original posted was about Richmond, VA and the article like so many online articles doesn't include a dateline (a brief piece
of text included in news articles that describes where and when the story occurred, or was written or filed, though the date is often omitted).
ATB,
Sam
"I never had any friends later on like the ones I had when I was 12 - Jesus, does anyone?" - The Body by Stephen King
That is sad news. I would bet the drones with cameras were viewed more negatively than the kites but in sake of "fairness" they probably just mad a
broad judgement. I could be wrong obviously, but it would be a coincidence if both groups did something specifically that caused the ruling. Gary pt
is such a famous park for power kites that I hope something could be worked out. Is there a beach that can be used in Richmond at least? The school
grounds is really a killer, that's really all I have in my local area.
This truly sucks! GP is the ONLY park that actually works west of the
Rocky Mountains in Southern B.C.. Many have searched and nothing comes close. To lose GP is to kill traction kiting on West Coast B.C.
It's not completely done yet? They say they will consult the stakeholders and to my knowledge that hasn't happened yet. Dirtside and many of the crew
are Richmond residents and we have had to face City Council many times before. They know the questions and will have the answers that have worked in
the past. This is a new council though. I hope that D'sliddy's disABILITY will win us some points? .
If liability becomes and issue there may be some need for NAPKA to come to our rescue? THIS is exactly the reason I have had a personal interest in
seeing that NAPKA remains a successful association. Traction kiting has been going on for almost 2 decades at Garry Point and I don't know of a single
injury to public. We are pretty low liability.
I think we are getting stuck in the drones light? That + a new city council running wild. There is one lady ( isn't there always ) who yells at us and
we are pretty sure has complained but over all we remain extremely complaint free so .... ???
Let's see. A lift ticket is $72 bucks. The golf course $85. I'll pay my $100 fine if they promise to keep free parking .
Greetings. I am a local RC Airplane pilot and i feel like you are making assumptions which are out of place.
There are many factors in considering the safety of many activities that people use the city parks for.
All activities carry a certain amount of risk. How much risk? that depends.
Kite flying can be just as dangerous as rc flying if operated by the wrong person.
Not to disagree completely with you, rc airplanes and quads flown by inexperienced and unprepared pilots can be dangerous as well.
Keep in mind though that RC vehicles have a high level of control. Quadcopters are capable of staying in a single location even in extreme wind
speeds.
RC Airplanes operate with the same physics that give commercial air travel it's reputation as the safest form of transportation.
You're more likely to get into a car accident on the way to the park than you are of injuring yourself or others.
I would enjoy discussing this matter with this group some more.
It's a shame that the knee jerk reaction that un-informed politicians have which affects diverse hobbies which are enjoyed immensely by enthusiasts.
Benefits
The proposed Public Parks and School Grounds Regulation Bylaw No. 8771 will enable the
Community Services Division to:
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1. Ensure that public parks and school grounds are inviting, accessible and safe, enabling
residents and visitors to feel comfortable and connected to the community;
Not if you ban activities that have been going on for years and are only now being exaggerated in order to control and destroy enjoyment in citizen's
lives.
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2. Promote a safe and respectful culture of walking, cycling and active transportation
modes, as supported by the well-established pedestrian, rolling and cycling connections
throughout the City;
Boring
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3. Allow community objectives to be met while protecting the finite resource of parkland
and public open space for the use and enjoyment of all;
What enjoyment? It's illegal to do anything in parks these days other than standing, walking, or running.
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4. Preserve parks and the open space system that contributes significantly to supporting recreation, social interaction, psychological and spiritual renewal and the conservation
and enhancement of the City's ecological network;
Kite flying and RC Airplane and Quad flying is:
- a recreation
- it promotes social interaction discussing equipment, techniques, .etc
- Psycological and spirtual renewal, because kite flying is relaxing and calming and renews the mind after a long stressful day at work, and
all we want to
do is be able to enjoy wind powered activities.
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5. Foster shared stewardship of parkland and public open spaces between multiple
stakeholders in order to foster pride, purpose and a sense of community;
There is no purpose if there isn't anything to use that land for. Banning kite flying and RC aircraft flying destroys communities.
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6. Preserve waterfront and waterways in furtherance of the recreational and ecological
values, and the cultural and ecological uniqueness of the City's island city heritage; and
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7. Protect and maintain parkland in furtherance of the City's commitment to a "Sustainable
Richmond. "
In their meeting's notes they conclude with:
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The proposed Public Parks and School Grounds Regulation Bylaw No. 8771 will enhance the
use, enjoyment and safety of Richmond's parks and school ground sites by providing greater
clarity of rules and regulations and additional administering tools for increased compliance,
while protecting the finite resources of the natural environment for future generations. It will also
support the City's vision of being the most livable and well-managed community in Canada by ensuring that such spaces remain safe, respectful, inviting and accessible places for the
furtherance of residents and visitors' social, leisure, and recreation pursuits.
But they banned the social, leisure, and recreation pursuits.
chupa, I don't live in the area or know anything of the situation, but I don't see anywhere in this thread where it was inferred the rc activities
were more dangerous than kiting.
chupa, I don't live in the area or know anything of the situation, but I don't see anywhere in this thread where it was inferred the rc activities
were more dangerous than kiting.
I've corrected my post in hopes of it being more accurate.
Thank you.
edit: though someone mentioned accusing this ban being put into effect due to an action caused by drones.
Unfortunately some people don't understand what the word drone means.
A Drone is when a robot is operating on its own without the control of a pilot.
It's terrible for all enthusiasts of hobbies that need open space. I wish all involved the best of luck to try and persuade the powers that be.
There's a great piece of land located in the middle of Richmond not being put to use for anything. It would be good if they developed it into a park
available to be used for recreational activities of this sort.
A few weeks ago a friend and I flew my plane and his quadcopters at Garry Point.
We saw a bunch of kite flyers at the south eastern part of Garry Point so we went over to the far west side of Garry Point in order to not interfere
with the Kite flyers.
Everything went well, bystanders watched in amazement and enjoyment and after I landed my plane I heard a round of applause. Funny because I was just
doing circuits as I was rusty after the winter and didn't want to do anything I wasn't prepared for.
Sad that they have to destroy responsible people's enjoyment.
Will the local hobby stores in the lower mainland start to suffer?
Greetings. I am a local RC Airplane pilot and i feel like you are making assumptions which are out of place.
There are many factors in considering the safety of many activities that people use the city parks for.
All activities carry a certain amount of risk. How much risk? that depends.
Kite flying can be just as dangerous as rc flying if operated by the wrong person.
chupa
If all activities carry a certain risk, why are they only banning the use of drones/RC's and traction kites? I could find many dangers with other
hobbies. They really need to take into account what other regions are doing such as in Washington State found here: http://www.chinookobserver.com/co/northwest/20150105/rule-ch...
As you mentioned, not only are they destroying people's enjoyment of watching. But also destroying our enjoyment and keeping us indoors. Would have
thought they want most active and outside, guess not..
They really have no reason for this ban. Especially since Richmond is one of the few spots for us to enjoy the hobby. I won't be surprised if in a
year or two, only one/two park(s) will be available for kiting and RC'ing in the lower mainland.
There's a great piece of land located in the middle of Richmond not being put to use for anything. It would be good if they developed it into a park
available to be used for recreational activities of this sort.
If you are talking the Garden City lands, you need to review the Transport Canada Regulations and your thinking. These lands are 4km from the end of
YVR's main south runway or well within 5 nautical miles of airspace controlled by YVR. Richmond could not allow you to fly there even if they wanted
to do it.
As to your point that kite flying is a dangerous as R/C, I call BS and challenge you to a duel:
I will let you fly my 10m kite into me from fifty meters, if I can fly my y6 into you from 50 meters. We will both wear only Tshirt and shorts and
the target gets to stand up wind from the pilot in each case. We determine who is right by who has the fewest stitches after three attempts at
strikes on the other each.
From my limited experience anything you do can be just as dangerous merely depending on the one doing the doing. (lol)
Drinking a bear can be just as bad, if in the wrong circumstances and in the wrong hands.
I doubt opinions can outweigh truth about each and everything we do, because opinions are just that... they are not based on facts because facts are
as they say "on the moon".
However, kites have string that can kill, RC's have fuel that can kill as well... point is, I doubt anyone will "intentionally" injure a fellow
creature. Not for love of life anyway (in my opinion).
So with that I say this: Nothing those "corporation shareholders" can say is actually facts, because what they say is just babbling hearsay about
something they want to tax in the future.
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Drinking a bear can be just as bad, if in the wrong circumstances and in the wrong hands.
Last time I tried to drink a bear it really didn't work out for me... The zoo keeper got mad at me cuz I kept climbing over the fence... But hey the
sign only said "don't feed the Bears"... It didn't say anything about drinking them, so I figured "hey, why not?..."
I hear the wild ones are kinda gamey and not so good for drinking.
edit: though someone mentioned accusing this ban being put into effect due to an action caused by drones.
Unfortunately some people don't understand what the word drone means.
A Drone is when a robot is operating on its own without the control of a pilot.
Sorry for using the wrong term. I am actually aware that Quadcopters etc. are not drones until they act autonomously .
I am talking about the Quadcopter that decided it would be cool to film a plane coming in about 1 year ago. That guy didn't do anybody any favours and
I suspect that his actions play into this to a degree. That + quadcopters taking off in popularity gives the nimby's something new to fight.
What GP offers us that can't be matched is clean safe winds from many directions. No inland spot will do this for us. While I am sure this is a big
blow to the RC community you at least are left with options in the lower mainland ( I think? ) . We really and truly don't have anyplace else that is
as safe with space and clean winds to go to. MANY people have searched far and wide.
It is Truly ironic that Richmond is going this direction while just below them Washington and right above in Vancouver's English Bay they are changing
the bylaws to allow a return of traction kiting. Reversing their bans. Go figure?
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FootGolf, but fly a kite and your looking for a 
GP is the ONLY park that actually works west of the
Rocky Mountains in Southern B.C.. Many have searched and nothing comes close. To lose GP is to kill traction kiting on West Coast B.C. 
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